Movies DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE (Highest-Grossing R-rated Film of All Time; Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

[Adamant]

I have no illusions of the chances of his return.
For years the MCU had successes after successes.... but ironically that 2nd MCU movie flopped immediately after the giant success that Iron Man was, and there was even a Tony Stark cameo in the final scene. Basically there is no demand within the MCU fanbase for his return.

I don't really think they're GOING to bring him back, but I wouldn't totally write it off as completely out of the quesiton. After all, even Elektra got quite a pop when she showed up, and her movie/s were pretty awful and basically no one was calling for her to return (that I ever recall hearing about). They could bring Norton back for a one off like that. Though I think a buddy team up with the two Hulks would work wonderfully to where they could make a major story out of it. Not as its own movie but as a part of a bigger movie.

Enough time has passed with Norton that it would absolutely be a HUGE POP moment when he stepped out on screen. And you can imagine the pop when both Hulks stand side by side. Especially with the multiverse thing right now, it would be fire.

lol, if Elektra got the pop she did, I guarantee you Norton's Hulk would get a gigantic pop too.

Meh. Honestly the ways they've diminished Hulk in movies over the years, needing two of them in a battle and it wouldn't be a one-sided beatdown would only be a further deminishment of the character.

Lets put it this way... Hulk in the comics, with the mega-events like 'Avengers Vs X-Men,' he was a force of nature that a dozen X-Men were needed just to keep him at bay. Collosus, The Thing, and Juggernaut... are all compared in fractions to the strength & durability to the Hulk.
'The Incredible Hulk' movie is the closest we've seen to the power levels of Hulk without it getting stupid.

It's not about needing two Hulks to win. It's about the coolness of seeing them both together. This is the MCU. You know how giddy people get seeing special teamups. The Spidermans. Deadpool & Wolverine. Elektra, Blade, and Gambit. Ironman and Cap standing side by side for the first time. Ironman and Thor. Etc. Etc. Etc. Seeing the two Hulks together, specifically and especially Ruffalo Hulk and Norton Hulk, would be amazing. And hell, it doesn't have to be a deathly serious scene or overall movie. They could put a bit of a comedy spin on it and have the two Hulks absolutely wreck the shit out of whoever is in front of them. That might get the biggest pop and laugh. The joke being "there's TWO Hulks???? This is overkill to the max!"

That's basically what we already saw with Hulk VS Abomination.
Old news.

In a very general sense, but it's not the same. Abomination is his own thing. And ultimately not on the level of Hulk when Hulk gets really pissed. Two really pissed Hulks would be a sight to behold. And fans no doubt would eat it the fuck up. I know I would.

Perhaps not unlike Wolverine vs Wolverine. It was an oh shit thing quite different from Wolverine vs Lady Deathstrike. I'm not saying the Hulks would be straight enemies like that, but for sure they gotta have a spat at some point. Because they're Hulk. And why wouldn't Hulk fight himself at first?

Fuck it, while we're at it, bring back Bana Hulk too. We got the three Spidermans together. It's time for the three Hulks to be together.

They're not going to go the Luke Skywalker route.

Given how much money Disney has lost over the past 4 years in boxoffice bombs, and how low their stock price is, they know they need to stop fucking up.
Audiences were 'seduced by nostalgia' into seeing D&W and its made bank for Disney.
They can either recognize the mistakes they've made (don't get me started) and avoid them in future installments, or they're going to quickly be in the same boat as the MCU after 'The Marvels' which looked like the entire MCU was in danger of being cancelled.

Audiences may be giving the MCU a second shot, so we'll see how Disney/Marvel avoids fucking it up... or we'll see how they royally fuck it up.

I hope you're right. But by all accounts, the last I heard, Disney has doubled down on their DEI bullshit. I'll have to see it to believe any real change is coming. (D&W was a special case)

I'm happy they're getting the band back together for Avengers 5 & 6, but I need to see more to be totally convinced things are good.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I don't really think they're GOING to bring him back, but I wouldn't totally write it off as completely out of the quesiton.

I would.
RDJ's MCU movies has brought in $12+ Billion to Disney.
Edward Nortion's movie cost Disney $25 million.
Chances are they've made it up with DVD/BluRay sales.

There simply is no demand for his return.

After all, even Elektra got quite a pop when she showed up, and her movie/s were pretty awful and basically no one was calling for her to return (that I ever recall hearing about). They could bring Norton back for a one off like that. Though I think a buddy team up with the two Hulks would work wonderfully to where they could make a major story out of it. Not as its own movie but as a part of a bigger movie.

Enough time has passed with Norton that it would absolutely be a HUGE POP moment when he stepped out on screen. And you can imagine the pop when both Hulks stand side by side. Especially with the multiverse thing right now, it would be fire.

lol, if Elektra got the pop she did, I guarantee you Norton's Hulk would get a gigantic pop too.

The thing is, I'm practically the only one hailing 'The Incredible Hulk' as one of the best MCU movies. 16 years after its release I never hear anything about it, other than on twitter... and even then the Likes/Retweet numbers aren't high.

Elektra is mostly fondly remembered because Jennifer Garner was perfect in the role, gorgeous, and 20+ years later she's still gorgeous. Although it was great to see her reprise her role in D&W audiences wouldn't pay specifically to see her. Elektra 2005 made half of the production budget back at the boxoffice.

Garner, Snipes, Tatum... I doubt they were paid much for their roles. Bet they did it mostly for the exposure as well as the final chance to get back in their costumes for one last go-around.

My point being... Norton would probably demand more money for his return than Disney would be willing to pay.

In a very general sense, but it's not the same. Abomination is his own thing. And ultimately not on the level of Hulk when Hulk gets really pissed. Two really pissed Hulks would be a sight to behold. And fans no doubt would eat it the fuck up. I know I would.

Don't know if you've seen the Hulk/Abomination fight in a while, but Hulk was getting his ass handed to him most of the fight. He didn't win at the end because 'suddenly he got very very angry.'

You know how giddy people get seeing special teamups. The Spidermans. Deadpool & Wolverine. Elektra, Blade, and Gambit. Ironman and Cap standing side by side for the first time. Ironman and Thor. Etc. Etc. Etc. Seeing the two Hulks together, specifically and especially Ruffalo Hulk and Norton Hulk, would be amazing.

Honest question - Is Mark Ruffalo really 'loved' by the fans? Did anyone watch SheHulk because he's in it? Or is her perceived as popular by association because he's in the same movies as the more popular Avengers actors?

I would say the real money in a Hulk Vs Hulk fight will be hyped up after the new 'Captain Falcon/America' movie with Red Hulk VS Hulk.

Fuck it, while we're at it, bring back Bana Hulk too. We got the three Spidermans together. It's time for the three Hulks to be together.

That'd have like 1/5th of the appeal of the crossover of three spidermans.

I hope you're right. But by all accounts, the last I heard, Disney has doubled down on their DEI bullshit. I'll have to see it to believe any real change is coming. (D&W was a special case)

I'm happy they're getting the band back together for Avengers 5 & 6, but I need to see more to be totally convinced things are good.

Honestly, I'm going back and forth on it.

On one hand, Disney didn't learn from their failures from the first two years MCU films bombing (2020-2022)
So they got two more years of MCU movies bombing (2023-2024)
To be clear, No Way Home (which Disney has to share the profits with Sony), Guardians 3, Thor4, DrStrange2, and now D&W have been profitable... but their profitability was eaten up by Eternals, Shang-Chi, Black Widow, Black Panther, Ant-Man3, and The Marvels.

Oh and due to massive reshoots the budget of 'Captain Falcon/America' is rumored to be upwards of $450 million. VERY probable its going to bomb.

On the other hand, maybe through D&W, maybe they learned to take the next few years and releases to 'give audiences what they want,' and they want nostalgia with new elements mixed in.

And after that, plan out Phase 6 keeping in mind the mistakes from Phases 4 & 5, while moving forward with NEW characters/actors audiences loved from Phase 5.

Sooner or later audiences are going to get sick of the nostalgia and demand something new.

 

[LilMountain]

You didn't like him as Wolverine? I'm sure you've read that he was hanging his chops up and Ryan couldn't convince him till he had an epiphany of fuck it why not work with my best friend and Ryan answering the phone to him thinking someone was dead because no one phones anyone unless there's an emergancy and saying "but we have to do it in the yellow and blue suit." Did the audience in your cinema go nuts when he pulled his mask down before the Like a Prayer scene?

I like him, but this is two movies now where he was given a good ending and yet they keep bringing him back. This one was worth it, but I doubt the next one (or two or three) will, eventually they'll scuff the landing

 

[fingercuffs]

I like him, but this is two movies now where he was given a good ending and yet they keep bringing him back. This one was worth it, but I doubt the next one (or two or three) will, eventually they'll scuff the landing

Yeah our beloved Ryan isn't going to be writing The Avengers stuff they're going to be in.Don't know how I feel about X23, Logan was brilliant but I wasn't crazy about XMen other than Wolverine...I guess because of him

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yeah our beloved Ryan isn't going to be writing The Avengers stuff they're going to be in.Don't know how I feel about X23, Logan was brilliant but I wasn't crazy about XMen other than Wolverine...I guess because of him

If Disney is smart, referring to Kevin Feige, they'll allow Ryan to have his input about his own lines if they get him in one of, or both, Avengers movies.

Some say that Deadpool wouldn't work in PG-13 movies without being 'watered down.' I'd say as long as Deadpool is funny, he doesn't need gratutious sex jokes or dropping the F-bomb every line.

Besides, PG-13 movies allow one 'Fuck' in each movie, and Ryan Reynolds is going to make that one 'Fuck' count.

BTW, I remember watching South Park on cable in the early 2000s, and it actually was funnier when the curse words were censored. Watching them later on DVD, and uncensored, a bit of the charm was lost.

 

[fingercuffs]

If Disney is smart, referring to Kevin Feige, they'll allow Ryan to have his input about his own lines if they get him in one of, or both, Avengers movies.

Some say that Deadpool wouldn't work in PG-13 movies without being 'watered down.' I'd say as long as Deadpool is funny, he doesn't need gratutious sex jokes or dropping the F-bomb every line.

Besides, PG-13 movies allow one 'Fuck' in each movie, and Ryan Reynolds is going to make that one 'Fuck' count.

BTW, I remember watching South Park on cable in the early 2000s, and it actually was funnier when the curse words were censored. Watching them later on DVD, and uncensored, a bit of the charm was lost.

His language is one of the reasons I love watching him so much. He had me at "you cock juggling thunderc**t" and reprised it in D&W 20 years later. Did you hang around in the cinema to see the scene after the end titles?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Did you hang around in the cinema to see the scene after the end titles?

This one? Yup, saw it in theaters.

Spoiler

Don't know how I feel about X23,

Meant to ask you about this. Could you elaborate why you don't know how to feel about her?

 

[fingercuffs]

This one? Yup, saw it in theaters.

Spoiler

Meant to ask you about this. Could you elaborate why you don't know how to feel about her?

It was classic Ryan. Bloke sat next to me when I said you can tell which lines Ryan writes rather than Levy during that last scene he laughed his arse off...like he did when I spotted the blow job queen line being repeated in the credits.

Again, I think probably because I'm not crazy about XMen. In terms of superhero type stuff I'm Batman, Avengers, Deadpool everything and loved Logan as much as I left the cinema in tears...the internet did a great job of not spoiling that for me because I didn't see it coming.

I'm just happy to have two best friends acting together, I still get ASMR when I see a trailer for D&W on TV. I still have Like a Prayer and Bye Bye Bye in my head. If the cinema wasn't ancient with its air con I'd've gone back again multiple times.

 

[clutchCAT420]

JACKMAN> rdj (cuck who thinks hes actually
Ironphyg)

 

[GearSolidMetal]

loved Logan as much as I left the cinema in tears...

 

[fingercuffs]

After going to D&W at the the preview last Thursday I said I wanted to watch Logan again then stopped mid sentence knowing I really didn't need to see it again I was so upset. I have no need to dislike her, I'm just not interested...he was my only XMan I was every interested in, and I adore JLaw. She couldn't sway me.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

After going to D&W at the the preview last Thursday I said I wanted to watch Logan again then stopped mid sentence knowing I really didn't need to see it again I was so upset. I have no need to dislike her, I'm just not interested...he was my only XMan I was every interested in, and I adore JLaw. She couldn't sway me.

'Logan' honoring the death scene prediction from 'The Wolverine' about "Holding Your Heart In Your Hand" and 'Your Heart' was Lara, was absolutely brilliant.

That's why Hugh and the fanbase was second-guessing if Hugh should reprise the role, because a brilliant send-off like that shouldn't be shat on.

So coming back as a different Wolverine was a great solution.

RDJ coming back to the MCU is similar because Tony Stark had such a brilliant send-off. The solution is... RDJ coming back as a different character, and the 'Big Bad' of the next two Avenger films.

 

[Peteyandjia]

 

[SmilinDesperado]

There was honestly a lot of things in the story that I didn't like, but the force of Reynolds and Jackman were so strong that I didn't get too caught up on it while I was watching the movie.

I'm starting to really dislike the entire idea of the TVA because it doesn't feel like Feige/MCU has given it the proper amount of attention considering how big it actually is to pretty much any story they've told lately.
The idea of an anchor being is stupid. It makes no sense. Makes even less sense that of all of the beings in all of the universe that Wolverine would be that being.
Things like that, and them having some machine that could wipe out a universe on demand, or a flying monster cloud that eats everything...it was just lazy writing considering how much Marvel has been putting this multiverse shit into all of their recent movies.

The cameos were fine, surprising even, especially Human Torch, Blade, and Gambit. But they also felt kind of wasted. The big fight scene was massively underwhelming. An old Blade, Gambit, X-23, and freakin Elektra couldn't take Juggernaut alone, let alone a whole army of baddies. Besides the unrealisticness of that fight, it just wasn't really well done in comparison to the Wolverine vs Deadpool fights.
It felt like they were relying too much on jus showing a face, or doing something nostalgic, but doing nothing else with it. "Hey, there's Calisto...and there's Azazel...oh, and X-23 is wearing her sunglasses from Logan"....there just wasnt' a lot of substance to a lot of the people they put in, and also, wasn't really much rhyme or reason.

Added to that, Deadpool's entire crew is wasted. Colossus and Shatterstar did nothing. It feels like Negasonic and her Gf are only there so that Ryan can make lesbian jokes. I didn't even understand what the issue was with Deadpool's gf, Vanessa, just didn't seem like any thought was put into it that story.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[Leon]

Deadpool & Wolverine: Fan Service

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: August 2, 2024

Wesley Snipes Gets Two Guinness World Record for Longest Career as a Live-Action Marvel Character and for the Longest Gap Between Character Appearances in Marvel Films

Wesley Snipes has broken two records according to the Guinness World Records. One is for longest career as a live-action Marvel character with 25 years 340 days playing Blade after he first played the character in Blade (1998). The second record was for the longest gap between character appearances in Marvel films, having last played Blade 19 years 231 days ago in Blade: Trinity (2004).

 

[vision1]

I'm surprised by the poll results.
The movie sucked. It was made to please nerds and nothing else.
A big drop compared to the previous Deadpools and X-men movies.