Daniel Cormier would be a monster at MW

[12ga.]

182? He weighed in at 224 on that card.. he was trying to make 184 when he had his infamous kidney issues prior to the Olympics.He wrestled at that weight when he was IN COLLEGE 15 years ago, yeah. It doesn't get easier to cut weight when you're ordering Popeyes

FTFY

 

[SPB]

182? he was trying to make 184 when he had his infamous kidney issues prior to the Olympics.

Nope. You are ignorant. He was trying to make 211 when he had his problem. He was already fat, and ballooned up to more than 240 just before the games.

 

[SPB]

Since he almost died once, why don't you delete this thread?

Long before UFC 170 co-main eventer Daniel Cormier had to make the light heavyweight limit of 205 pounds, he spent nearly seven years competing around the world as a freestyle wrestler at 211 pounds. At the 2008 Olympics, Cormier's second Games representing the United States, Cormier dehydrated himself so severely in making the weight limit, that he almost died, and had to forfeit out of Olympic competition. Fox Sport's Damon Martin posted an article which chronicles the results of the wrestler's tragic 2008 weight cut. (msn.foxsports.com)

Cormier got down to the required weight but hours later his kidneys shut down from the trauma endured to cut the extra pounds. The former Oklahoma State wrestler went to a local hospital in Beijing to try and have fluids put back into his body, but nothing was working and his health just deteriorated from there.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/2/1...-caused-him-to-drop-out-ufc-170-2008-olympics

He didn't "almost die". Just because some stupid writer wrote it doesn't mean it is true.

Tell us how long he was in the hospital. Tell us how many times a week he does dialysis. Where is he on the transplant list?

If he did nothing he could have died. But he went to the hospital and they got fluids into him. He would have been better off if he went in earlier, but of course they were still planning on having him compete even after he was showing signs.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

He should just do like Fedor did. (another guy who could be a MW) just eat whatever and take out real HWs.

@Franklin are you ignoring he wrestled at 184 on purpose or just ignorant? He would not be a corpse but in shape.

Fedor is an interesting one. Prime Fedor did not carry as much fat as Cormier does and prime Fedor was weighting 235lbs in the ring but walking around at only a few more pounds heavier at like 240lbs or 245lbs I believe. I remember seeing an old thread (when I was looking up old Fedor threads) and someone mentioned a Russian interview in which Fedor talked about his off-season weight and he didn't get much heavier. Which makes sense, given the fact that Fedor already had a higher body fat % than many in shape HW's.

I personally think if Fedor kept up weight training, and actually bulked up and then burned off his fat he could get to 235lbs with a lower body fat % than what he was used to fighting at. And be a more dangerous HW. Fedor would have also greatly benefited from TRT or PED's in general.

 

[jk7707]

The only guy that beat him is gone for a few years. I'm sure he'll consider destroying his health to cut down to another division even though he ran the show at HW too.

 

[Mixfight]

Cormier has fought at 250lbs before.

MW my ass.

 

[SPB]

Cormier has fought at 250lbs before.

MW my ass.

Lard Lad.

 

[Steve08]

Nope. You are ignorant. He was trying to make 211 when he had his problem. He was already fat, and ballooned up to more than 240 just before the games.

Well I'll admit to being mistaken about the weight he was trying to make for the Olympics, but if anything that just proves my point since he was hospitalized after cutting less weight than he would be to make 185 (and the dude I was replying to referred to him wrestling at 184... which was back in 2000-2001).

 

[SPB]

Well I'll admit to being mistaken about the weight he was trying to make for the Olympics, but if anything that just proves my point since he was hospitalized after cutting less weight than he would be to make 185 (and the dude I was replying to referred to him wrestling at 184... which was back in 2000-2001).

I guess you missed the part where he allowed himself to get up over 240 just before the games. He was a fat blob. So he had to try and cut a lot more water to make up for the FAT he was carrying.

He was an embarrassment to the team. Allowing himself to balloon up was ridiculous. Almost as bad as in 2004, when he tried to start a brawl after losing. Just for that he should have been banned from the 2008 team. Instead they made him captain.

 

[cheesus]

Cormiers face looks quite sunk when cutting to 205, at his age I don't think dropping a division below means anything. Hell, he'll probably be a dominant champ for a while...I'd rather see him move up to HW, he has a good chance at taking the belt.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Yeah TS, he didn't want to fight at 185 so he took the easy route trying to take Jon Jones' belt.

 

[TheViking]

He does look very soft. Like Cain.

Don't tell me they couldn't both lose 10-15lb of fat.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

19-1 across two weight divisions and his only loss is to one of the greatest fighters of all time.

I'm sorry, what the fuck is your definition of being a monster???

 

[Maroli]

it's pretty simple; if he burns more calories than he's intaking, he'd lose fat. he couldn't gain any muscle mass and would likely lose a little, but there looks to be at least 15 lbs of fat he could diet off. not sure you could lipo 15 lbs off, but the fact is if you did, he wouldn't be 'unhealthy' or a 'walking corpse'. therefore, he could fight at 185 if he really wanted. which he doesn't.

 

[105]

Nope. After rehydration and time your kidneys don't know it ever happened. Unless you had kidney failure, and then you would be on dialysis and waiting for a transplant.

If Cormier had some sort of renal problem I doubt he could be licensed.

So tell us more about you condition. I'll tell you I passed two kidney stones last month. Most painful think I ever did.

I've been on IV's after weigh ins I don't even know how many times before tournaments... The last time I was on one, I passed out while seated. I woke up 7 hours later in another hospital freaking the fuck out because I needed to wrestle... I was air lifted because my kidneys were failing. They said they were prepping me for dialysis but I started functioning properly... Mind you this is 5 liters of fluid in... The doctor told
Me cutting weight was only going to get worse, and that every time I'd increase the chances of that happening again... So I guess I'll take a surgeons opinion over the words of some dude on sherdog on this one. Needless to say, I never weighed in at 141 lbs again.

And as to kidney stones... Dude, heart goes out to you. Walked around with my best friend who had them trying to get them to pass about 10 years ago and he was tough as nails... He cried.

 

[Lamfadha]

A lot of guys in here don't realize how important height is with regards to optimum weight.

^^ and that is at 6% body fat. Now add roughly 15-20lbs for each height and that is what you got fighters in the UFC typically weighting based on their height. The exception is LHW and HW though... Larger frames and height give you more to fill up and you don't sacrifice as much as a shorter guy does who bulks beyond what is effective for his height like Mark Hunt who is practically Obese and 5'10 fighting at HW and having to cut to make 265lbs.....

Hunt also gives up TONS of reach, leverage, and size by fighting significantly taller fighters while he himself is overweight carrying excess fat. It isn't optimum for health, fighting or athleticism.

Daniel Cormier and Mark Hunt are way outside the max mass of that chart you posted. Mark Hunt had minimal fat on him in his early K-1 career at 110kg/240lbs maybe could lose to 102kg/225lbs to have abs.
Daniel Cormier you noted wrestled at 184lbs/83kg when he wasn't fat which means he cut to it. That is more than the 177/171lb "ripped" in that chart.

Not to mention they are not anglo-saxon ethinically / Medium-Small frame which BMI is based off of.
Ergo it is bullshit to say that two large framed ethinically diverse fighters should conform to your expectations of ideal body. Height doesn't equal weight.

 

[PivotPunch]

If Jose Aldo wasn't around he would be known as the featherweight goat. If you're delusional to think BJ Penn is in Aldo's league then we shouldn't continue this conversation, lightweight was a much easier division to become champ in.

You are assuming a lot. Saying someone would be the GOAt is xy happened is a big assumption. Edgar would probably beat anyone but it's not impossible that McGregor would have beaten him he has at least a punchers chance.

Fact is that Edgar build his legacy at LW and not in a "if xy wasn't there" scenario but in actual reality.

That's like saying that Fedor would be best suited for LHW when he's the HW GOAT.
LW has been the deepest division at any point in recent history. When Edgar won the LW belt FW didn't even exist in the UFC and Aldo was beating guys up who aren't anywhere as good as the FWs today and today LW is also even betetr than FW.

LW has always been the depest division it has always beent he hardest division to become champ in in no other division is the skill level as high and in no other division there are several fighters deserving of a title shot who could all beat each other

 

[Area809]

What that poster wrote is fairly accurate and a matter of record, not really up for debate.

DC wrested @ 184lbs as a 5th year senior in college.

The fact that he couldn't make 211lbs in his last Olympic run had nothing to do with his kidneys and everything to do with showing up far overweight.

He makes 205lbs now, years later, with a chubby belly and completely drawn in face - so we know he still gets bone dry, despite having a loose belly he could easily cut 5lbs off, but the dude likes to eat.

A 23 year old body and 37 year old body are completely are completely different. You don't know what the circumstances were when he was 23 years old in relation to now at 37. Stop acting like you have intimate knowledge of his personal life.

Rumble has more weight to lose and has done it before, but is it smart for him to do so? Did it matter when he got out grappled but the smaller Koscheck?

I think DC knows better than all of you what works best for him. He went 5 rounds with Jones, and has convincingly beaten every other opponent, bigger/smaller to become champion. Somehow this thread is suggesting he's not diciplined or that he's lazy. I respect people's opinions, but that doesn't mean I don't think the opinions are ridiculous.

 

[The guest]

Yeah, and Stipe would be a mutha at fucking Flyweight.

 

[Contempt]

Cormier would literally kill himself trying to get to 185. He almost died in the Olympics trying to cut.

Oh FFS, this shit again?

People were saying the same garbage about him making LHW. He made 205 and guess what? He's still fat.

If he were to fight at 185 it's NOT with a cut, it would NOT be through dehydration, it would be by dieting to lose all the excess fat.

It would DEFINITELY be possible if he wanted to do it.