Opinion Conservatism will always be a threat to democracy

[Captain Tenneal]

He's the unquestioned leader of the party who absolutely dominated his primaries without attending a single debate and you're going to act like he's not representative of the party?

Of course you'll still vote for him despite his threat to freedom of speech.

Has the leader of the Dems ever said or done anything like that? Can you recall Biden suing the media for publishing things he doesn't like?

This was from 2018, he clearly has abandoned this ludicrous take. He was essentially referring to political defamation, involving a supreme court justice right?


I meant to say "it isn't good"

 

[oldshadow]

We also didn't have universal suffrage or elected Senators at the time of the Founding Fathers, do you think those reforms were a threat to the government of the founding fathers knew or were those okay?

They placed a way to make changes. They made it slightly difficult for a reason.

Sure you can with enough support do away with the system with an amended.

If that were to happen I have stated the likely consequences.

It's a shit idea and would destroy the country but that's nothing new with that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This was from 2018, he clearly has abandoned this ludicrous take.

Did he though? He went after the media with frivolous lawsuits well after 2018.

He sued comedian Bill Maher in 2013 (and then withdrew the suit) when Maher promised him $5 million if he could prove his father wasn’t an orangutan. In 2020, Trump sued CNN for an opinion piece about the Mueller investigation. The suit was soon dismissed. In March 2020, the Trump campaign sued both The Washington Post and The New York Times for publishing 2019 opinion columns about alleged Russian election interference. In 2021, he sued the The New York Times for its 2018 investigation of his finances. The case was tossed, and Trump was ordered to pay the paper $400,000 to cover its legal costs. In 2023, Trump sued journalist Bob Woodward for publishing interviews he said violated his copyright, and his Truth Social platform filed a suit against The Washington Post over coverage of the company’s finances. (Famously in the mid-1980s, Trump sued the Chicago Tribune and its architecture critic for criticizing his plan to build the world’s tallest building in Manhattan. The suit was naturally dismissed.)

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/22/trump-stephanopoulos-media-lawsuits-00148430

His main obstacle is that libel/slander laws are generally a state matter and therefore he doesn't have direct influence on them but with the consolidation of power within the GOP by the MAGA wing I don't think its hard to imagine that he could get some sympathetic governors and state legislatures to act on these ideas.

He was essentially referring to political defamation, involving a supreme court justice right?

Yes which we already have laws for. He wants to reduce speech protections to make it easier to sue critics of the SCOTUS which is a blatant threat to freedom of speech right?

I meant to say "it isn't good"

Yes and its coming from the man who is the unquestioned leader of the party. It tells us much about where the party is on the question of free speech that he can casually say these things and it doesn't affect his popularity in the slightest, on the contrary its these kinds of statements that seem to endear him to his base.

They placed a way to make changes. They made it slightly difficult for a reason.

Sure you can with enough support do away with the system with an amended.

If that were to happen I have stated the likely consequences.

It's a shit idea and would destroy the country but that's nothing new with that.

Why would abolishing the electoral college destroy the country but universal suffrage and elected Senators did not?

 

[Jack V Savage]

He's the unquestioned leader of the party who absolutely dominated his primaries without attending a single debate and you're going to act like he's not representative of the party?

In the same post where he talks about Kerry, who isn't holding office or working in politics!

Of course you'll still vote for him despite his threat to freedom of speech.

Has the leader of the Dems ever said or done anything like that? Can you recall Biden suing the media for publishing things he doesn't like?

And if he just said other issues are more important to him, that would be one thing. But to say that the main threat is coming from Democrats is just insane.

 

[Mr Holmes]

It's not a meaningless statement, You have TDS. It's a real condition brought on by years of the establishment media conditioning you.

"But you're fine with it because you don't actually care about freedom of speech and you're happy to lie as long as you think it helps your party because you don't have any sense of right and wrong."

You're exhausting me with this shit. The Republicans are not my party. They are an incompetent party full of willful losers. But to everyone who isnt a puppet of the left, we acknowledge the Democrats threaten freedom of speech more often. In rhetoric, in social media, and in actual policy when it comes to Europe. Luckily, we have the constitution here in America

You started out by saying everyone got it wrong about the lockdowns and then derped about Trump. Now you're playing semantics games to declare some sort of victory. Nobody got anything wrong.

Yeah I'm sure all the blue areas that hated Trump and fought him at every turn decided to implement their lockdowns because of him. That's brilliant.

 

[payton]

You're stuck in the dialectic bro. Turn off the phone and get help.

You are 50+ and you still acting like a terminally online 19yo. How embarrassing.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's not a meaningless statement, You have TDS. It's a real condition brought on by years of the establishment media conditioning you.

Because I said true things that you would rather people not know about?

"But you're fine with it because you don't actually care about freedom of speech and you're happy to lie as long as you think it helps your party because you don't have any sense of right and wrong."

You're exhausting me with this shit. The Republicans are not my party.

It's true, though.

They are an incompetent party full of willful losers. But to everyone who isnt a puppet of the left, we acknowledge the Democrats threaten freedom of speech more often.

Your objection to the GOP is that you want them to be even sleazier. And then you just blatantly lie with the freedom of speech thing. Great aegument for Christian values there, guy. The 11th commandment trumps all the others.

 

[Streeter]

Guess TS is shook as it seems more an more Kamala is toast . So he's flailing

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Did he though? He went after the media with frivolous lawsuits well after 2018.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/22/trump-stephanopoulos-media-lawsuits-00148430

His main obstacle is that libel/slander laws are generally a state matter and therefore he doesn't have direct influence on them but with the consolidation of power within the GOP by the MAGA wing I don't think its hard to imagine that he could get some sympathetic governors and state legislatures to act on these ideas.

Alright, do you disagree with Defamation lawsuits on every level? Or are we just not okay with it when Trump starts a lawsuit?

Yes which we already have laws for. He wants to reduce speech protections to make it easier to sue critics of the SCOTUS which is a blatant threat to freedom of speech right?

That depends, what is he trying to do now? I've always been critical of his rhetoric, but I fail to see where on his 2024 platform he's trying to limit free speech

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Your objection to the GOP is that you want them to be even sleazier. And then you just blatantly lie with the freedom of speech thing. Great aegument for Christian values there, guy. The 11th commandment trumps all the others.

No, I want them to provide vision for our country and stop waging war

 

[Volador]

This is red scare rhetoric, but reversed. Utterly retarded.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Alright, do you disagree with Defamation lawsuits on every level? Or are we just not okay with it when Trump starts a lawsuit?

Come on man, don't play dumb here. Of course there's a place for defamation lawsuits but when a politicians has talked about loosening libel/slander laws so he can sue his critics and in fact has brought many frivolous lawsuits against critics I am going to connect the obvious dots and see that he wants to be able to bully his critics into silence through the courts. Do you think that's an unreasonable interpretation?

That depends, what is he trying to do now? I always been critical of his rhetoric, but I fail to see where on his 2024 platform he's trying to limit free speech

Just last year he was bringing up frivolous lawsuits against his critics so idk that its something he's forgotten about. Either way you were claiming quite strongly that the Democrats are clearly the bigger threat but what is that based on exactly? I showed you the unquestioned leader of the GOP has talked about loosening libel/slander laws to allow him to go after critics and he has a history of frivolous lawsuits both before and after those statements. Clearly if we're comparing Trump is the bigger threat right?

No, I want them to provide vision for our country and stop waging war

Ah so surely you were critical of Trump expanding the drone war and were happy to see Biden more or less end it right?

 

[payton]

Trump wasn't even in my top 2 of who I would've picked for the Republican nominee.

I think that the January riots were mostly caused by the rioters learning from left wingers over previous months that rioting is just something you do when you don't get your way. Yes Trump egged them on and that's largely why he was far from my top pick. He's still better than the left.

What level of brain rot do you need to reach to craft this kind of a take and actually fully believe it?

 

[Jack V Savage]

No, I want them to provide vision for our country and stop waging war

You weirdly accused them of deliberately losing and of being incompetent. Sounds like you like what they're doing but want them to cheat more and more effectively implement their agenda, which is terrifying. You don't seem to have any moral compass.

 

[steveflynn]

It's the direction that's the problem with the democrats.

Isn’t big government bad either way ?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Come on man, don't play dumb here. Of course there's a place for defamation lawsuits but when a politicians has talked about loosening libel/slander laws so he can sue his critics and in fact has brought many frivolous lawsuits against critics I am going to connect the obvious dots and see that he wants to be able to bully his critics into silence through the courts. Do you think that's an unreasonable interpretation?

Just last year he was bringing up frivolous lawsuits against his critics so idk that its something he's forgotten about. Either way you were claiming quite strongly that the Democrats are clearly the bigger threat but what is that based on exactly? I showed you the unquestioned leader of the GOP has talked about loosening libel/slander laws to allow him to go after critics and he has a history of frivolous lawsuits both before and after those statements. Clearly if we're comparing Trump is the bigger threat right?

Ah so surely you were critical of Trump expanding the drone war and were happy to see Biden more or less end it right?

It's not just the libel stuff either. This year Trump said that ABC should lose its license for the moderation, that talk-show hosts should be arrested, and both that it should be and already is illegal to criticize the SCOTUS. He's clearly, clearly the far bigger threat to freedom of speech.

 

[Jack V Savage]

We can't even get to a place of having a real discussion of issues or of this particular issue because hacks like Holmes and SE just lie constantly. And they both wear their Christianity on their sleeves, which makes it even worse.

 

[oldshadow]

Did he though? He went after the media with frivolous lawsuits well after 2018.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/22/trump-stephanopoulos-media-lawsuits-00148430

His main obstacle is that libel/slander laws are generally a state matter and therefore he doesn't have direct influence on them but with the consolidation of power within the GOP by the MAGA wing I don't think its hard to imagine that he could get some sympathetic governors and state legislatures to act on these ideas.

Yes which we already have laws for. He wants to reduce speech protections to make it easier to sue critics of the SCOTUS which is a blatant threat to freedom of speech right?

Yes and its coming from the man who is the unquestioned leader of the party. It tells us much about where the party is on the question of free speech that he can casually say these things and it doesn't affect his popularity in the slightest, on the contrary its these kinds of statements that seem to endear him to his base.

Why would abolishing the electoral college destroy the country but universal suffrage and elected Senators did not?

Because I believe it would tell any rural area fuck you you don't matter.

It would drive the wedge in to the limit.

 

[Mr Holmes]

We can't even get to a place of having a real discussion of issues or of this particular issue because hacks like Holmes and SE just lie constantly. And they both wear their Christianity on their sleeves, which makes it even worse.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Because I believe it would tell any rural area fuck you you don't matter.

It would drive the wedge in to the limit.

Why? It would specifically equalize all votes so there wouldn't even be a need for geographical targeting. Republicans get more votes in LA County than any other county in the country, but none of them count in the EC.