Opinion Conservatism will always be a threat to democracy

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[nostradumbass]

Dear diary...

 

[KnightTemplar]

Everyone not in full agreement is a transphobic racist who wants to murder black trans babies.

Look, I'll keep it real here - I have my bad points as well.

 

[mommas homeboy]

Let us take a look at sexual reproductive rights being in question due to the right, with abortion being banned because of a strict conservative moral order, marginalized groups having their individual rights being disrespected also due to an imposed strict moral order (ex: lgtbq, DEI),
the book banning in the far right south of the nation, project 2025, blocking porn sites, bombing legislators with unconstitutional bills. the strict religious conservative moral order that many of their policies are founded upon, reforms that protect the president from impeachment, January insurrection, education systems are reforming due to moral order, i could go on.
Lets not forget most christo-fascist groups in america are usually also far right. There is a reason for this, they have enough similar beliefs and their ideologies are familiar enough.
The left is calling for corporate leaders and for the wealthy to pay their share in taxes, the right defends those corporations and wealthy families.
Its a huge mistake to think republicans are anti-corporate.

The conservative parties tenets as of late are looking extremely fascistic, the idolizing, symbology, militarism, scapegoating etc. T*ump was shot and the conservative populist have idolized him as a martyr, they have already spoken about militarism and have found a scapegoat in the left.
This story has played out before, at least it rhymes more than it comfortably should, to the NDSAP’s rise to power.
Its not hard to equate the scapegoating, the march to munich, and the tenets being based on reliving the glory days to modern republicans very own scapegoats, January insurrection, and MAGA. Fear mongering, enemies, nationalism.

The left in the US has not had a recent history of imposing nearly as much totalitarian policies. They’ve consistently pushed for individual rights to be respected, the right to marry, to medicate, healthcare, freedom of speech, etc. Of course this doesn’t include the right to bear arms or what not but this can be argued if fascistic at all.

Wow. What an overwhelming wall of garbage. I can't.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Freedom of speech has been and is being targeted mostly by democrats. Did you hear Kerry's recent rant?

Nothing better illustrates how people let partisanship get in the way of thinking and basic decency than this kind of thing. Trump has said it should be illegal to criticize the SCOTUS, that talk-show hosts should be arrested, that SNL should be shut down, etc. Vance wanted someone arrested for a newspaper column. But this guy is convinced, somehow, that whatever a retired politician said is A) worse than all that and B) more relevant than the potential next president saying it. It doesn't add up at all, and SE knows it, but he thinks his religion gives him license to lie as long as it helps The Party. And this same POS was just defending Trump stealing from charity--one of the lowest things someone can do--yesterday.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Nothing better illustrates how people let partisanship get in the way of thinking and basic decency than this kind of thing. Trump has said it should be illegal to criticize the SCOTUS, that talk-show hosts should be arrested, that SNL should be shut down, etc. Vance wanted someone arrested for a newspaper column. But this guy is convinced, somehow, that whatever a retired politician said is A) worse than all that and B) more relevant than the potential next president saying it. It doesn't add up at all, and SE knows it, but he thinks his religion gives him license to lie as long as it helps The Party. And this same POS was just defending Trump stealing from charity--one of the lowest things someone can do--yesterday.

 

[lifelessheap]

I hate personal responsibility and should be able to murder abortion survivors.

Neat argument.

 

[Lycandroid]

Nothing says democracy like a one party system you fucking idiot

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Nothing better illustrates how people let partisanship get in the way of thinking and basic decency than this kind of thing. Trump has said it should be illegal to criticize the SCOTUS, that talk-show hosts should be arrested, that SNL should be shut down, etc. Vance wanted someone arrested for a newspaper column. But this guy is convinced, somehow, that whatever a retired politician said is A) worse than all that and B) more relevant than the potential next president saying it. It doesn't add up at all, and SE knows it, but he thinks his religion gives him license to lie as long as it helps The Party. And this same POS was just defending Trump stealing from charity--one of the lowest things someone can do--yesterday.

Your TDS is unreal. I don't defend Trump's rhetoric. He states off the wall shit all the time that I disagree with. But that doesn't define what everyone on the right thinks or feels about free speech. Two examples doesn't outweigh years of the left restricting free speech, or the kind of shit they were pulling during covid. When you quote me, I already know you're going to bring up Donald Trump. It's like clockwork lol

As for the charity, I was stating it was blown out of proportion- because it was, and stated it wasn't a grift. Nobody that rich grifts through a charity for that low of an amount of money. There no point for him to "grift" in that way. But I still criticized him for it, you can't be sloppy when managing charity money. And you espicially shouldn't setup golf competitions with charity money already donated

 

[ChosenOne]

“The left in the US has not had a recent history of imposing nearly as much totalitarian policies.”

Wasn’t it primarily Democrat governors shutting down small businesses while allowing Walmarts and such to remain open?
Wasn’t the idea of quarantining people who weren’t sick from the left?

The left also mandated masks and vaccines.

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It reminds when Bill Maher's audience cheered when guests on his show called out Gavin Newsom for his covid policies when he talked going to other states were freedom is most under attack.

No, sorry you guys got that wrong.

it was Trump and his Administration pushing the shut downs and vaccines and masks down all States throats.

 

[Mr Holmes]

No, sorry you guys got that wrong.

it was Trump and his Administration pushing the shut downs and vaccines and masks down all States throats.

Bullshit. The individual governors and mayors were left to make those decisions.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Your TDS is unreal.

Is this just a meaningless statement that you make to deflect any criticism of Trump? It's factually true that he said what I said he did (if you have any need of a source for any of it, let me know).

I don't defend Trump's rhetoric. He states off the wall shit all the time that I disagree with. But that doesn't define what everyone on the right thinks or feels about free speech. Two examples doesn't outweigh years of the left restricting free speech, or the kind of shit they were pulling during covid. When you quote me, I already know you're going to bring up Donald Trump. It's like clockwork lol

Well, you bizarrely claimed that freedom of speech is being mostly targeted by Democrats. So it's obviously relevant that Trump has been very explicitly arguing against it. But you're fine with it because you don't actually care about freedom of speech and you're happy to lie as long as you think it helps your party because you don't have any sense of right and wrong.

Just imagine how dishonest you have to be to think that John Kerry's views are more significant than Trump's! And I'd bet my life that whatever you're talking about is nowhere near as anti-free-speech as what Trump or Vance have been saying.

As for the charity, I was stating it was blown out of proportion- because it was, and stated it wasn't a grift.

Well, you just repeated a lie of Trump's and ignored the evidence. Again, stealing from children and veterans is fine with you as long as the thief is a Republican.

 

[UberHere]

No, sorry you guys got that wrong.

it was Trump and his Administration pushing the shut downs and vaccines and masks down all States throats.

Then how was Ron DeSantis able to allow restaurants and small businesses to remain open? At that time I lived in PA and the county I lived in had minimal restrictions. So try again?

 

[steveflynn]

Looks like TDS has mutated to a new level and strain.

Not really, todays Republican Party advocates for even bigger government than the Democratic Party

 

[ChosenOne]

Bullshit. The individual governors and mayors were left to make those decisions.

So you are so stupid you are saying it is "Bullshit" that Trump and his admin were "pushing" those things?

Do you want to bet on that? I can certainly back up what i say. There is no shortage of videos proving it.

 

[ChosenOne]

Then how was Ron DeSantis able to allow restaurants and small businesses to remain open? At that time I lived in PA and the county I lived in had minimal restrictions. So try again?

Ok let me try again with DeSantis own words and Trump's. And i ask you to explain WHY, DeSantis did the below if NOT that he was following guidance from Trump and his Admin???

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...Over the weekend, Trump complained to reporters that DeSantis was “trying to rewrite history.”

“There are Republican governors that did not close their states,” Trump said. “Florida was closed for a long period of time.”

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April 1, 2020: Declares lockdown​

...DeSantis imposed a lockdown.

“All persons in Florida shall limit their movements and personal interactions outside of their home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities,” his order said. ...

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[ObsoleteSoul]

 

[Jack V Savage]

So you are so stupid you are saying it is "Bullshit" that Trump and his admin were "pushing" those things?

Do you want to bet on that? I can certainly back up what i say. There is no shortage of videos proving it.

The whole argument is dumb anyway. Emergency measures to stop a pandemic aren't even relevant to a discussion about democracy or "totalitarian measures."

We actually have real examples of some pretty hardcore authoritarian measures--Trump has proposed making criticizing the SCOTUS illegal, said that talk-show hosts should be jailed for making fun of him, etc. Vance wanted a newspaper columnist jailed for criticizing Trump. Trump said ABC should lose its broadcast license because they fact-checked him during a debate. He wanted Twitter shut down for fact-checking him. Republicans have proposed banning interstate travel in some cases. Trump tried to stay in power after losing an election. These aren't abstract fears. This is stuff that's happening now in America. The threat is actually at our door, and people are looking the other way. If Trump wins and wants to suspend elections in 2028 and jail or kill protestors, we know 100% that Holmes and SE and co. will cheer it on.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Trumpers are not conservatives.

That's a good point we have to keep in mind here, Trump is in fact a radical who wants to overturn the system and his followers are all on board with that.

At this point the Democrats are the conservative party trying to fight back a populist one.

Freedom of speech has been and is being targeted mostly by democrats. Did you hear Kerry's recent rant?

Trump has talked about loosening libel laws so he can sue the media more easily and in fact does attempt to sue the media often to intimidate them into retracting negative stories about him. Thankfully it never works because we have strong speech protections but I would say that guy is a significant threat to freedom of speech no?

You're right. The US should only have one party. Now, that's democracy.

If everyone's going to complain about the two party system why not try out a one party system?

In all seriousness Japan has a de facto one party system where the LDP is the only viable party and its still a democracy. The options come from different factions within the LDP which acts like a big tent party. Wouldn't work here because we have first past the post voting which naturally leads to a two party system.

 

[Mr Holmes]

So you are so stupid you are saying it is "Bullshit" that Trump and his admin were "pushing" those things?

Do you want to bet on that? I can certainly back up what i say. There is no shortage of videos proving it.

You really are an imbecile if you think anyone is going to be fooled by your revisionist history gaslighting. Regardless of what Trump said, we all remember where the harshest lockdown measures were implemented: vaccine passports, mandatory masks, roping off non-essential aisles at the super market, etc.