Circling The Arguments (SCO thread v. 32)

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JamesRussler said:
At what point will you accept that Trump won because Democrats have jumped the shark?
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Again, Trump threaded the needle winning 78,000 key votes across three states to win the electoral college despite losing the general by 3,000,000 votes, and Trump had Russia's help, and Comey's unwitting help. And, Trump and the entire GOP didn't let the fact that there was no indictment for Hillary's email investigation stop them from pushing the "lock her up" cheers and memes, to this day. :rolleyes: And that investigation didn't have a hand picked AG making the decision (Comey made the call), an AG that was hand picked specifically for making that decision after talking the case over with POTUS and his legal team.

And while we are at, there may not be any chargeable conspiracy, but all the shady behavior with Russia, all the lies about the shady behavior with Russia, Trump trying to seduce Comey in a private candlelit dinner in the White House, Trump changing his tune from kisseyface "you are doing a great job Jim" to firing Comey when he realized that he couldn't seduce him into loyalty, Trump telling the Russians that firing Comey relieved "great pressure", Trump taking Putin's denials over his intelligence community's unanimous conclusions in front of the world in Helsinki, Trump condoning Putin's killings with his "what, you think we are so innocent" to Bill O'Reilly, etc., etc., is/was certainly concerning and worth investigating, unless you are a troll like @Farmer Br0wn or are a total right wing zombie incapable of independent thought.
 
CrazyN8 said:
I wonder how long before Mueller and Barr are under investigation for collusion with Trumps campaign, or maybe even Russia itself.
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I wonder how someone like you figured out how to turn his computer on.<Y2JSmirk>
 
Farmer Br0wn said:
Prosecutors don't exonerate, they either indict or not.

Guess which one Muller decided to do........
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You think Mueller or the AG would have cut that part out if it were such a moot point, maybe their legal minds are not as well wrought as yours.
 
Farmer Br0wn said:
Prosecutors don't exonerate, they either indict or not.

Guess which one Muller decided to do........
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This is completely misleading. He specifically provided the evidence and didn't make a judgement due to the circumstances of this case. Not least of which is Trump spending the last two years attacking his credibility.
 
Farmer Br0wn said:
Prosecutors don't exonerate, they either indict or not.

Guess which one Muller decided to do........
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He left the decision to indict to Barr and the decision to file any other charges or subpoenas rests with Congress.

You're arguing that the President was exonerated by the Mueller report, while the fraction of the report we have contains the line that Mueller is explicitly NOT exonerating him.

You can't spin your way out of this, but keep trying.
 
CrazyN8 said:
So lets say I had a model like you speak of, would one instance of it being incorrect prove the whole thing is fasle? Not very scientific of you Jacky. Plus it was more of a joke, but I honesty wouldn't be suprisee, a lot of the media turned to the Barr and Mueller are probably in on it narrative with the quickness.
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You obviously do have a model in mind. And if it's leading you to believe something false that normal people would recognize to be highly unlikely, there's a problem with it, and a person sincerely interested in objective truth and not just insisting that people respect tribal reality would update it as a result. I also suspect that your claim that "a lot of the media" turned to some narrative is not based on any research, though you can always surprise me.
 
Darkballs said:
He left the decision to indict to Barr and the decision to file any other charges or subpoenas rests with Congress.

You're arguing that the President was exonerated by the Mueller report, while the fraction of the report we have contains the line that Mueller is explicitly NOT exonerating him.

You can't spin your way out of this, but keep trying.
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There no need to spin, Meullers BOSS exonerated him.

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Farmer Br0wn said:
Prosecutors don't exonerate, they either indict or not.

Guess which one Muller decided to do........
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Which is true in an absolute and literal sense and no person should disagree.

But another statement no one should disagree with is that..

'A prosecutor not able to gain evidence sufficient to indict does not mean the person did not commit the crimes'.

Do you agree. Do you think for instance John Gotti was guilty or other crime lords were guilty of ordering cries they could not get evidence to convict on?
 
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bobgeese said:
There no need to spin, Meullers BOSS exonerated him.
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*Mueller.

And know, Barr didn't. He said, without offering the document he's basing this decision on, that he didn't feel he could indict. Granted that his unsolicited cover-letter to the trump administration was titled "You can never indict a sitting president that's named Trump," I'll reserve my opinion till the contents of the report are released.

Christ guys, you can have your partisan victor lap without lying about why. Just say that trump's lackey won't punish him and is keeping the reason's why a secret, but that's ok with you because the only thing you care about is trump avoiding any personal liability. You'll be able to perform the same awkward victory dance, but without all the dishonesty attached. Give it a spin fellas.
 
Darkballs said:
*Mueller.

And know, Barr didn't. He said, without offering the document he's basing this decision on, that he didn't feel he could indict. Granted that his unsolicited cover-letter to the trump administration was titled "You can never indict a sitting president that's named Trump," I'll reserve my opinion till the contents of the report are released.

Christ guys, you can have your partisan victor lap without lying about why. Just say that trump's lackey won't punish him and is keeping the reason's why a secret, but that's ok with you because the only thing you care about is trump avoiding any personal liability. You'll be able to perform the same awkward victory dance, but without all the dishonesty attached. Give it a spin fellas.
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LOLOLOLOLOLLLLL at you talking about spin.

“Barr’s keeping secrets”

How the fuck would you know? Oh that’s right, you don’t.
 
bobgeese said:
LOLOLOLOLOLLLLL at you talking about spin.

“Barr’s keeping secrets”

How the fuck would you know? Oh that’s right, you don’t.
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Oh' and don't forget that Barr is working hard to get the full report released ASAP, because he's obviously hiding something...

I seriously can't wait to see their spin when the full report shatters what's left of their pathetic dreams.
 
bobgeese said:
“Barr’s keeping secrets”

How the fuck would you know? Oh that’s right, you don’t.
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I'm talking about Barr not releasing the report to Congress you nitwit.

Is google translate broken for you again?
 
Darkballs said:
He left the decision to indict to Barr
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We don't know this, and I don't believe it to be accurate. Barr took the power for himself.

That's a matter for Congress, and precedent in these matters shows that.
 
HereticBD said:
Oh' and don't forget that Barr is working hard to get the full report released ASAP, because he's obviously hiding something...

I seriously can't wait to see their spin when the full report shatters what's left of their pathetic dreams.
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His last letter left open the possibility of 399 blacked out pages and one line that says no collusion. Subpoena flies shortly. Fly well brave bird!
 
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