Economy Chinese startup DeepSeek hammers US stocks with cheaper open-source AI model

[CantCucktheTuck]

I’m guessing that means something?

 

[Sweater of AV]

 

[Hdfi]

Suck it haters!

 

[Michaelangelo]

Pretty remarkable guy here, 28 year old self made billionaire commenting on this AI arms race

 

[SandisLL]

Well, legitimately pushing people in the sciences would require a real investment in education and American youth. But the nation doesn't want to invest in low income communities because we'll beat China's 4x population by relying on the choices of the upper 10% of the income bracket.

Then we'll complain about having to ship in qualified H-1B applicants.

Somehow, the upper 15% of the income bracket is all we need to outcompete countries with 4x our population.

I won't say the quiet part out loud.

Approx like this and even worse.

There is thing called shared software development [!] , it is when task is divided in small parts and is done where ....programmers etc are cheaper...or faster etc..
For business tailored apps usually are relatively simple CRUD type stuff btw.

A lot of apps are at least partially developed in other countries.

Soft maintenance too. Even till old stuff using COBOL for payrolls...yup.

They in a lot of cases doesn't even needs visas. Code might just be sent.
Large corps are building a lot of sckyscrapers in India etc.
From MS and Oracle till all these Acc and Cxxx type corps....
Cheaper programmers = better for them.
AI too will be the same ....

 

[Thepaintbucket]

The stock market is so messed up these days. In order to move a stock like NVDA down 17% takes massive effort and I highly doubt it's caused by deep shit alone. Maybe it's a combination of Fomc meeting this week, China de investing from NVDA and institutions creating volatility

 

[PEB]

Dave does a great job explaining improved technology and how it was built.

 

[PEB]

 

[Hog-train]

It's reverse-engineered or an adapted “copy” of ChatGPT. It was trained exactly like ChatGPT with the same data

https://archive.ph/AvJKc#selection-939.32-951.54

 

[Hellowhosthat]

China has 4x more people and a higher IQ on average. It's obvious what's going to happen in the next decades.
I warned you that it was better to cooperate with China instead of trying to hinder their development, but you didn't listen and now you're all screwed.

Tbf I don't think Sherbros were ever officially put in charge of US/China relations.

 

[Chules]

Edit wrong thread sorry

 

[Beechwood]

Ai has been planned to be a major driver of the future US economy. Trump wants to invest $500 billion dollars into it. Elon Musk has been spending billions on AI I believe. American tech firms have been spending hundreds of billions on AI. That could all change with this new Chinese AI system. Looks like China has put a halt to future booming American tech economic growth, with this cheap AI app. With time we'll find out more though.

DeepSeek AI Shows You Can’t Compete With China and Outsource Development to China​

Chinese labor will become Chinese tech.​

DeepSeek AI Shows You Can't Compete With China and Outsource Development to China | Frontpage Mag

Chinese labor will become Chinese tech.

www.frontpagemag.com

 

[NoSmilez]

Suck it haters!

It's because it is new. I will admit China is really good at planning and implementation. They make their roads and sidewalks to handle a lot of foot traffic. They also build much faster vs Americans. American cities are old and we can only do small upgrades to it. China tears down small neighborhoods just because they were going to host the Olympics.

There is something lifeless about Chinese cities. Even their "old" district is manufactured. They build new buildings that look old so people can cosplay while wearing old style of clothing.

 

[curryjunkie]

Are you intentionally dunking on yourself?

 

[650lb Sumo]

UK will not be able to resist China's tech dominance

China's AI success has come from policy and Chancellor Rachel Reeves's recent visit to China highlights the importance of a close relationship.

www.bbc.co.uk

The raw materials of artificial intelligence (AI) are microchips, science PhDs and data. On the latter two, China might be ahead already.

There are on average more than 6,000 PhDs in STEM subjects (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) coming out of Chinese universities every month. In the US it is more like 2,000-3,000, in the UK it is 1,500.

In terms of patents generally, more are being filed in China than in the rest of the world put together. In 2023 China filed 1.7 million patents, external, against 600,000 in the US. Two decades earlier China had a third of the patents filed by the US, a quarter of Japan's and was well behind South Korea and Europe.

While there are some questions about the quality, on some measures China now exceeds the US on what is known as 'citation-weighted' patents too, which adjusts for how often new scientific papers are referred to.

While the impact of this was most visible in electric vehicles (EVs), where China is now the world's biggest exporter, having cornered the supply chains and the science for battery technology, it stretches well beyond.

Even in auto the Chinese manufacturers are now pushing the concept of 'electric intelligent vehicles', in which conventional carmakers cannot compete, especially on software development.

China's consumer electronics companies are shifting into car manufacturing, with 'dark factories' operated 24/7 by armies of AI-powered robots, now also increasingly made in China.

The country is electrifying at an astonishing rate, and is referred to by some researchers as an "electro state". It now files three-quarters of all clean tech patents, versus a twentieth at the start of the century.

Last year the US National Science Board asserted China's objective of being the world's leading science and engineering nation was on the verge of being achieved. 'We already see this in artificial intelligence, where China out publishes us, has more patents, and produces more students than the United States,' they wrote.

 

[Scerpi]

Well, legitimately pushing people in the sciences would require a real investment in education and American youth. But the nation doesn't want to invest in low income communities because we'll beat China's 4x population by relying on the choices of the upper 10% of the income bracket.

Then we'll complain about having to ship in qualified H-1B applicants.

Somehow, the upper 15% of the income bracket is all we need to outcompete countries with 4x our population.

I won't say the quiet part out loud.

You're severely under-estimating the number of people who hate math and have zero desire to be good at it. Forget trying to get a career degree based on math or science.

lol... Pushing people into these careers won't do shit and that's the weak point of the garbage fallacy utopia the Left pushes. And no amount of money will change that fact.

The kids still have to do the work... You can't do the work for them.

Lefties have tried everything... lowering standard, more money, excluding people who excel to "include" people who don't.

 

[panamaican]

You're severely under-estimating the number of people who hate math and have zero desire to be good at it. Forget trying to get a career degree based on math or science.

lol... Pushing people into these careers won't do shit and that's the weak point of the garbage fallacy utopia the Left pushes. And no amount of money will change that fact.

The kids still have to do the work... You can't do the work for them.

Lefties have tried everything... lowering standard, more money, excluding people who excel to "include" people who don't.

Here's a math question for you. What percentage of the UCLA medical school applicants are underrepresented minorities?

Now, if more than 50% of the UCLA med school students fail to meet standards...that's not a minority problem. That's a school wide issue being disingenuously framed in the context of URMs. Because minorities don't make up enough of the student population to cause the effects that your tweets are alleging.

See, one of the hard truths out there is that Asian students weren't being harmed by under-qualified black and Hispanic kids. They were being harmed by under-qualified kids with connections and donor capabilities. Now that schools aren't worrying about ensuring diverse classrooms, they don't have a reason to turn away those donor class applicants. Frankly, they're going to accept more of them...because they can pay. Black and Hispanic kids aren't the only low income group of people applying to elite institutions. Lots of Asians and white kids in those cohorts. And paying full tuition is probably the most important thing on the admissions sheet these days.

But all that's secondary to the basic math. If URM are significantly less than 50% of the admitted class then the failings of 50% medical school class can't be their fault.

 

[PEB]

 

[jeremyemilio]

Sounds like a great time to buy the dip when people realize Harbor Freight AI, complete with Chinese surveillance, isn't the way to go.

Then again people are dumb so I could be wrong.

It's open source. You can copy it and run it locally without an internet connection (unlike GPT et al). Within a few weeks pretty much anything running on the GPT api is going to switch over to DeepSeek, or at least have a DeepSeek version. MIT is working with it. Groq is working with it. It's literally functioning as a near free commodity, right now, in place of what was just a few days ago a much more expensive and much less flexible commodity.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Tbf I don't think Sherbros were ever officially put in charge of US/China relations.

I will false flag on day one. Probably attack neighboring countries like Korea and Japan.