Can The Avengers take down Superman?

Mike said:
Hey it's the argument I've been making in this thread for twenty pages to no avail. Good luck.
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I know. I made it early in the discussion too but people seem to forget the fact that Hulk probably could not land a single punch.

There have been several crossover comics with this matchup and Superman won every one against the hulk.
 
When Crom prays, Superman says to hell with YOU.

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Halifax said:
I know. I made it early in the discussion too but people seem to forget the fact that Hulk probably could not land a single punch.

There have been several crossover comics with this matchup and Superman won every one against the hulk.
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People get too caught up in "but in the comics when two people fight, the stronger one always fights like a retard and only uses his strength" Ok cool..... this isn't a comic. If you have to gimp one side in a battle that severely, then the battle is a mismatch.
 
And like you said even in those crossover battles he stood toe to toe and still won. Because even without his other powers, Superman is tougher and stronger than the hulk
 
Mike said:
Well the thing is, this argument only works with someone like say spider-man. He's more durable than a regular person but not SUPER durable. He's lost fights because he was holding back and trying not to hurt somebody and got blasted.


Superman has HIGH tier durability. Higher than the hulks, that's for sure. Hulk is not capable of one punching him, or of koing him with a single or a few combinations. It would take a prolonged beating. Which would give superman more than enough time to realize hey, this guy is really strong. The second he realizes that, other than saying he will fight like a retard for no reason, there's nothing stopping him from using his speed and ranged attacks.


They've fought before in corossovers, and even there using the "everyone fights like an idiot" rules he beat him with sheer power and durability. He's stronger AND tougher than the hulk, AND he's thousands of times faster and has ranged attacks capable of seriously hurting the hulk. The only way Hulk wins is if you gimp superman by saying he will only use one of his powers until he's beaten to death.... for some reason. Even then in straight hand to hand rock em sock em robots fights supes is 3-0 vs hulk in the comics. Hulk isn't better anywhere except maybe regeneration. Superman can regenerate any time he chooses tho by flying into the sun. Doing so makes him stronger as well.
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You are speaking of Hulk as if static. His durability and strength are infinite (as dumb as that is) which is not the case for Supes (short of the god tier Supes like Prime).

There are many guys who start out more powerful than Hulk and are pounding him until suddenly there is an ah ha moment and they cannot any longer. That is because as they pounded on him they were getting more tired and weaker while not realizing Hulk was getting stronger and more durable.

I think Supes is holding back the entire way and not realizing how strong Hulk has become and by the time Supes realizes he must put everything into and put Hulk down and he throws everything at Hulk it is too late. Hulk absorbs it only to get stronger and Supes is fully depleted as we've seen when he has to put everything into a shot.

Again if Supes was to do that same shot earlier in the fight he wins 10 of 10 times but based on his canon, particularly when fighting other big bangers he lets it drag out and out assuming he wins all wars of attrition, and then cannot get there due to Hulks unique nature of ever increasing strength. His style is just wrong for beating Hulk as you cannot win a war of attrition against a beast that gets infinitely stronger the more you beat on him.
 
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MikeMcMann said:
You are speaking of Hulk as if static. His durability and strength are infinite (as dumb as that is) which is not the case for Supes (short of the god tier Supes like Prime).

There are many guys who start out more powerful than Hulk and are pounding him until suddenly there is an ah ha moment and they cannot any longer. That is because as they pounded on him they were getting more tired and weaker while not realizing Hulk was getting stronger and more durable.

I think Supes is holding back the entire way and not realizing how strong Hulk has become and by the time Supes realizes he must put everything into and put Hulk down and he throws everything at Hulk it is too late. Hulk absorbs it only to get stronger and Supes is fully depleted as we've seen when he has to put everything into a shot.

Again if Supes was to do that same shot earlier in the fight he wins 10 of 10 times but based on his canon, particularly when fighting other big bangers he lets it drag out and out assuming he wins all wars of attrition, and then cannot get there due to Hulks unique nature of ever increasing strength. His style is just wrong for beating Hulk as you cannot win a war of attrition against a beast that gets infinitely stronger the more you beat on him.
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Ok so they fight for lets say five minutes. At that point hulks rage increases and he starts hammering Superman. Superman has MASSIVE durability. As soon as he starts taking too much damage, what stops him from moving thousands of times faster than the hulk and blitzing him, or hitting him with heat vision from range over and over?


Also infinite rage =/= impossible to knock out. Hulks been knocked out plenty of times, including three times by Superman in crossovers. In crossovers they always stand toe to toe, and although hulk keeps getting stronger he eventually gets KTFO. Every time. Without Supes even needing his speed.
 
MikeMcMann said:
You are speaking of Hulk as if static. His durability and strength are infinite (as dumb as that is) which is not the case for Supes (short of the god tier Supes like Prime).

There are many guys who start out more powerful than Hulk and are pounding him until suddenly there is an ah ha moment and they cannot any longer. That is because as they pounded on him they were getting more tired and weaker while not realizing Hulk was getting stronger and more durable.

I think Supes is holding back the entire way and not realizing how strong Hulk has become and by the time Supes realizes he must put everything into and put Hulk down and he throws everything at Hulk it is too late. Hulk absorbs it only to get stronger and Supes is fully depleted as we've seen when he has to put everything into a shot.

Again if Supes was to do that same shot earlier in the fight he wins 10 of 10 times but based on his canon, particularly when fighting other big bangers he lets it drag out and out assuming he wins all wars of attrition, and then cannot get there due to Hulks unique nature of ever increasing strength. His style is just wrong for beating Hulk as you cannot win a war of attrition against a beast that gets infinitely stronger the more you beat on him.
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Hulk at his maddest toughest and most powerful still moves like a snail against someone as fast as the flash who can see Hulk coming like it is in slow motion.

Basically, in Xmen Apocalypse when Quicksilver starts running circles around apocalypse and knocking him all over the fucking place. Except without the part where Apocalypse can use mental powers and think as fast as quicksilver moves. Hulk would just be standing still while Supes bashes him around.

Keeping in mind, the OP ideally used a bloodlusted superman, who will throw his most powerful shit from the get go and not hold back. Hulk is done before he has a chance to get mad.
 
SaiWa said:
Thanos was humoring the good Captain and teasing everyone else. he coulda turn all of them into spaghetti and leisurely strolled over and plucked out the last gem.
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I'm not buying that. He bodied the Hulk. He beat the hell out of Thor. The Russo brothers have a hard on for Capt America, that's no big secret. They continually make him look stronger than he really is to appease the Cap fan base.
 
SoberAwakening said:
I'm not buying that. He bodied the Hulk. He beat the hell out of Thor. The Russo brothers have a hard on for Capt America, that's no big secret. They continually make him look stronger than he really is to appease the Cap fan base.
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The guy can tear off a part of a head made out of vibranium without even trying. He effortlessly KOed the Hulk. Cap can still get killed by a bullet. By the movie's logic, Cap's head should be a smoothie after one punch from Thanos.
 
Pugilistic said:
The guy can tear off a part of a head made out of vibranium without even trying. He effortlessly KOed the Hulk. Cap can still get killed by a bullet. By the movie's logic, Cap's head should be a smoothie after one punch from Thanos.
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That's what I'm saying. Like even before watching the movie, that was one of the biggest issues I had with the trailer. Irked me every time I saw it. And what makes it worse is that in the trailer they made it look like he only had 2 stones...come to find out he had 5 of the 6 stones. There's no way Cap should've stood a chance.
 
How about Superman rages after the Avengers accidentally kills Lane, in a city where they assembled to stop a villain? Supes is pissed and goes all out. Ala Punisher?
 
SoberAwakening said:
That's what I'm saying. Like even before watching the movie, that was one of the biggest issues I had with the trailer. Irked me every time I saw it. And what makes it worse is that in the trailer they made it look like he only had 2 stones...come to find out he had 5 of the 6 stones. There's no way Cap should've stood a chance.
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That movie see sawed everyones power levels into the writers will. The writers completely manipulated everyones abilities to fit the script. Widow beating a Black Order is rediculous. Vision basically becomes a can. And so on.
 
compressed said:
That movie see sawed everyones power levels into the writers will. The writers completely manipulated everyones abilities to fit the script. Widow beating a Black Order is rediculous. Vision basically becomes a can. And so on.
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That was one of the worst offenses of the movie. Then she threatens to kill them and let's them go. With the universe at stake.
 
SoberAwakening said:
I'm not buying that. He bodied the Hulk. He beat the hell out of Thor. The Russo brothers have a hard on for Capt America, that's no big secret. They continually make him look stronger than he really is to appease the Cap fan base.
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Nah Thanos was clearly toying with the Avengers.

I don’t think the Cap fan base is that big. I think the Thor fan base is way larger and Thor got demolished in the very beginning.

Besides holding off Thanos’s one hand with everything he has isn’t that impressive. Running down the field with black panther ahead of everyone in the battlefield.. now that was cool.
 
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