Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[Hidden_Hand]

How would Sup find him if he is in a different plane or cloaking himself?

There are a lot of ways he can evade him. He's not going to just stand in front of him waiting to get pummeled.

It all comes down to the battleground, motive, universe etc.

OP was very vague and these sorts of arguments are always stupid because there are too many factors, it's why I generally don't comment, there is no winner.

 

[blaseblah]

Again when these scenarios are discussed, it's generally who would win if these guys fought. Once you add in long periods of prep time, advanced scientific gadgets, dogpiling people, ambushes, we're no longer talking about who would win between this guy and that guy.


If you have to give one side in a fight extra prep, allies, weapons, and info, well it sounds like that's a pretty mismatched fight then. Maybe an invisible wall would work against the flash. How many dc characters have that as an ability, or always carry as standard equipment some device that does that? Yeah pretty much nobody.


If we're going that route how come only one side gets advantages? let's give Flash the rest of the JLA's equipment then, since he's fast enough to steal it from them. He can go in with Superman's power armor, Wonder Woman's magical sword and lasso, batmans crazy gadgets, Green Lanters ring, etc.

We seem to be talking about two different things. You're talking about two superheros meeting up and duking it out in a fair fight, who wins. I'm talking about writing believable scenarios that pose a threat to said heroes. The Joker poses no threat to Batman in a straight fight, he's still his greatest adversary.

 

[Mike]

We seem to be talking about two different things. You're talking about two superheros meeting up and duking it out in a fair fight, who wins. I'm talking about writing believable scenarios that pose a threat to said heroes. The Joker poses no threat to Batman in a straight fight, he's still his greatest adversary.

Yes those are two entirely different things. The former is what most people mean when they have these discussions, so I assumed that's what we're doing. That's how the thread is titled.


Joker is Batmans greatest foe because of the harm he can do to people around him. Batman can handle him, but Joker is more than capable of killing Robin or Batgirl. Batman is never afraid for his own safety, so if it wasn't for the people he cares about the joker wouldn't have nearly as much effect on him psychologically. All of the darkest stories with Joker are about him killing Robin or maiming batgirl, and the guilt Bruce feels for that. For allowing these kids to be a part of his world.

 

[Bob Gray]

Basically the guys that know comics are trying to explain to the MCU newbies that their precious Avengers can't handle Superman but the pill is proving to be quite hard to swallow.

I had guys try argue with me that Goku could fucking beat reality warpers like Franklin Richards in another thread, it gets tiresome especially when you have been reading this stuff for 15 years.

Meh. It's weird that people think their comic reading experience is somehow both unique as well as scholarly. If I've been reading them for 30 years, does that make my opinion somehow more qualified than yours?

Literally the only issue is Thor. Thor Vs Supes has been one of those fan arguments for decades and plenty of publications have posted articles about how Thor would come out the victor. Supes is vulnerable to magic, bezerker rage, absorb the heat vision yadda yadda yadda.

Without Thor Avengers get worked. But with Thor you can easily have them beat Supes. Like I said originally, it really comes down to what the writer wants.

 

[emefer]

In comic book land when they raced yes, the flash won all of the races except 1. But that's not the point.

In the clip I showed from the last justice league, Superman is able to move at a speed beyond thor, hulk, iron man , dr strange...well anyone.

He can move so fast (like the flash) that they would appear to be standing still.

As such...MAYBE dr strange could deal with this using the time stone? But as far as the avengers? Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Cap? Not one of them has an ability natural to those characters that could deal with that. As such, they all get murked before they even know it's a fight.

Comic book and movie writers stray from this fact because it would be a nightmare to write up any kind of challenging situation for Superman to deal with.

Superman did reverse time by causing the earth to spin backwards once in a movie.

 

[Hidden_Hand]

Meh. It's weird that people think their comic reading experience is somehow both unique as well as scholarly. If I've been reading them for 30 years, does that make my opinion somehow more qualified than yours?

Literally the only issue is Thor. Thor Vs Supes has been one of those fan arguments for decades and plenty of publications have posted articles about how Thor would come out the victor. Supes is vulnerable to magic, bezerker rage, absorb the heat vision yadda yadda yadda.

Without Thor Avengers get worked. But with Thor you can easily have them beat Supes. Like I said originally, it really comes down to what the writer wants.

It matters massively if two people are debating and one knows the source material inside out and the other watched a few at the cinema.

I have read/watched and been into all the fantasy stuff for years, i.e. Marvel, DC, DragonBall and honestly have no preference to any or any character so when I write about them on here it is from a neutral perspective based on what I think from what i've read. I don't say character X beats character Z because I love X and will defend to the death, I say it because sometimes it's how things would happen.

I've always said on here Thor is the one who would stand up to Superman when everyone else lay dead because he would but like you said what is the point of debating?

There are 50 versions of each character over 40 years of writing, it goes around and around and never has an end. It just ends in arguments with guys trying to find scans of said characters looking like shit lol

 

[Tiny]

Superman did reverse time by causing the earth to spin backwards once in a movie.

That's not all movie superman could do...

 

[Hyperglide]

If supes didn't have the sun around to make him super powerful i guess so??

Avengers with prep time could own him..

 

[Hyperglide]

movie hulk (considerably weaker than comic hulk) just survived a ride on the asgardian rainbow express that included reentry into earth's atmosphere and a collision into earth through dr. strange's living room.

And he also got bodied by Thanos lmao.

 

[Bob Gray]

And he also got bodied by Thanos lmao.

Thanos with the power stone, to be fair.

 

[emefer]

And he also got bodied by Thanos lmao.

And knocked out by ironman.

 

[punkmother]

And he also got bodied by Thanos lmao.

the post i was replying to implied they couldn't withstanding being rammed through a concrete building which is patently false based on what actually has happened onscreen.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Are you refering to kingdom come?

If so the writers dont use supes super speed. If they did he would have gotten to both nukes instantly

Tough to tell a story when things happen instantly.
What may have appeared to be instantly to us, may have taken a few panels to develop from the perspective of Superman and Captain Marvel.

 

[Overtures]

That's a curb stomp spite match up. Thor could solo.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The New 52 Supes benches 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg's for reps.

So, no -- he tears all 4 apart

 

[DeJulez]

Batman and Superman dominate all of them.

 

[Iroh]

Yes, they will just ask Batman what to do with some prep time and it will be a piece of cake.

 

[Tiny]

Tough to tell a story when things happen instantly.
What may have appeared to be instantly to us, may have taken a few panels to develop from the perspective of Superman and Captain Marvel.

Sure except the rocket speed would be comparable to the bullets in that quick silver clip which were barely moving.

Thats how ya know supes would have had plenty of time to get to both and have his way with them before they even reached much of a hieght.

And billy would be stuck in slow mo mouthing the word “shazam”.

But you are correct, its hard to tell a story when you have a dude with super everything traveling at a speed that freezes time on everything.

 

[FyrFytr998]

No.

Say no all you want. Doesn’t make it any less true.

 

[minute bull]

Literally the only issue is Thor. Thor Vs Supes has been one of those fan arguments for decades and plenty of publications have posted articles about how Thor would come out the victor. Supes is vulnerable to magic, bezerker rage, absorb the heat vision yadda yadda yadda.

Please. People would have to get into the OP level Thor, bringing up variations like Runeking this or Odinforce that. At his core, Thor is no worthy match for Superman. He would be defeated by a mild brainteaser he mistook for an earnest question.