Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[SoberAwakening]

Well I mean Capt America can catch and hold a Thano's hand back while he's wearing the Infinity Gauntlet with 5 of the 6 stones and he can also take a Thanos punch according to the MCU, soooo....ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!

 

[Takanori Gomez]

 

[franklinstower]

So the gist of this argument and thread is that if the Hulk gets mad enough he can totally kick Superman's but right?

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

None of them have the speed to react to him. Every avenger without super durability is instantly dead. Instantly, before they even know a fight is happening. Like being sniped from a field 5 miles away while you're sitting eating lunch.


The durable characters he casually beats to death while they cannot see or react to him whatsoever. He eventually gets bored with the Hulks toughness and throws him into the sun.

And there's the mistake that gets him killed. Can you imagine how pissed the hulk is gonna be after he gets tossed into the sun? The fucken audacity!

 

[minute bull]

He wouldn't have thrown Hulk into the sun; Superman would have aimed in a spot where he'd fly straight into nothing until some writer conjured up some bullshittium on a colliding trajectory.

Hulk comes back more OP than ever, when suddenly:

 

[Mike]

And there's the mistake that gets him killed. Can you imagine how pissed the hulk is gonna be after he gets tossed into the sun? The fucken audacity!

I think he'd be too busy being dead.

 

[Mike]

So the gist of this argument and thread is that if the Hulk gets mad enough he can totally kick Superman's but right?

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[TheRuthlessOne]

So the gist of this argument and thread is that if the Hulk gets mad enough he can totally kick Superman's but right?

Nah

Hulk would get thrown into the sun

The op talks about Superman bloodlusted. He won’t be holding back like he usually does

 

[MikeMcMann]

@TSO these are the hulk vs supes encounters I remember:


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The second scan is the hulk vs supes encounter you mentioned, during that same crossover where Spider-man DID beat superboy. But Superman koed the hulk decisively.

Assuming no prior knowledge of one another Supes should always be able to KO the Hulk early in a fight or fly him or punch him into orbit and make him pass out and turn into Banner IF he goes for the kill shot early.

HOWEVER

Supes if written properly would lose to Hulk many (maybe most) times as Supes never goes for the kill shot early and instead tries to only match his opponents power plus a little bit to make him surrender and quit. Supes would not realize that this would only serve to anger the Hulk more and power him up at the same time while Supes is losing power and draining himself. Suddenly then the fight would turn to Hulk's advantage and Supes would be in trouble.

This is actually how I think it would play out mostly but with Superman in more jeopardy the longer it goes.

 

[Mike]

Assuming no prior knowledge of one another Supes should always be able to KO the Hulk early in a fight or fly him or punch him into orbit and make him pass out and turn into Banner IF he goes for the kill shot early.

HOWEVER

Supes if written properly would lose to Hulk many (maybe most) times as Supes never goes for the kill shot early and instead tries to only match his opponents power plus a little bit to make him surrender and quit. Supes would not realize that this would only serve to anger the Hulk more and power him up at the same time while Supes is losing power and draining himself. Suddenly then the fight would turn to Hulk's advantage and Supes would be in trouble.

This is actually how I think it would play out mostly but with Superman in more jeopardy the longer it goes.

That's where it comes down to if they're bloodlusted or not. Even in character supes smashes him though, and I'm not sure why people think differently. He could easily just beat on him until a ko and then walk away. There's no way the hulk could ever lay a hand on him. And Hulk doesn't have infinite endurance. He's been koed many times throughout the years by other heavy hitters.


Nice Guy superman punches him as many dozens or hundreds or thousands of times it takes, while the Hulk is utterly powerless to react.

 

[revoltub]

That's where it comes down to if they're bloodlusted or not. Even in character supes smashes him though, and I'm not sure why people think differently. He could easily just beat on him until a ko and then walk away. There's no way the hulk could ever lay a hand on him. And Hulk doesn't have infinite endurance. He's been koed many times throughout the years by other heavy hitters.


Nice Guy superman punches him as many dozens or hundreds or thousands of times it takes, while the Hulk is utterly powerless to react.

Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. He would have to react if supes was punching him.

 

[MikeMcMann]

That's where it comes down to if they're bloodlusted or not. Even in character supes smashes him though, and I'm not sure why people think differently. He could easily just beat on him until a ko and then walk away. There's no way the hulk could ever lay a hand on him. And Hulk doesn't have infinite endurance. He's been koed many times throughout the years by other heavy hitters.


Nice Guy superman punches him as many dozens or hundreds or thousands of times it takes, while the Hulk is utterly powerless to react.

Bloodlust yes.

Normal version not likely again because Supes rarely goes for a kill shot and almost only ever goes for beating his opponent up until surrender.

Hulks power is infinite (as dumb as that is) if enraged enough over time. You cannot simply beat him into submission and you must deliver a blow strong enough to KO or kill him, period. Odin has done it. Zeus has done it and a few others have done it so Supes COULD do it, but if he refused to go for that kill shot then suddenly Hulk's strength would exceed Supes and would only keep increasing and causing a gap as Supes drains and needs to recharge particularly when he is forced to go all out.

A smart fighting Supes should win 10 of 10 battles but the way Supes is written typcially he loses 7 of 10 battles.

 

[SaiWa]

Well I mean Capt America can catch and hold a Thano's hand back while he's wearing the Infinity Gauntlet with 5 of the 6 stones and he can also take a Thanos punch according to the MCU, soooo....ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!

Thanos was humoring the good Captain and teasing everyone else. he coulda turn all of them into spaghetti and leisurely strolled over and plucked out the last gem.

 

[spin]

here's the thing

most villains that the avengers, or all comic book heroes, face are more powerful than them. and the story line is them finding a way to win.

so most of them would win a no time for strategy or plot twist encounter, just matching powers for powers. same with a blood-lusted (villainous) Superman.

but by comic universe law, this will happen, that will happen, and the over-matched heroes will find a way to find a way to stop Superman.

 

[Mike]

Bloodlust yes.

Normal version not likely again because Supes rarely goes for a kill shot and almost only ever goes for beating his opponent up until surrender.

Hulks power is infinite (as dumb as that is) if enraged enough over time. You cannot simply beat him into submission and you must deliver a blow strong enough to KO or kill him, period. Odin has done it. Zeus has done it and a few others have done it so Supes COULD do it, but if he refused to go for that kill shot then suddenly Hulk's strength would exceed Supes and would only keep increasing and causing a gap as Supes drains and needs to recharge particularly when he is forced to go all out.

A smart fighting Supes should win 10 of 10 battles but the way Supes is written typcially he loses 7 of 10 battles.

Right but it doesn't have to be a kill shot. He's capable of punching people unconscious like any other hero with super strength. That's how he wins 99.9% of his fights. He's blitzed characters with his level of strength and durability with ease in the comics before. People act like not killing makes superman weaker, but not really. If we're going to get technical the hulk never kills anyone either in the comics. Most heroes don't.


But suddenly in these debates it's "supes will hold back while the other guy tries to win, even until he gets hurt or killed" I don't know why that's the logic people use because he never does that in the comics. As soon as he can tell someone's on his power level he goes all out. He's done it to the cyborg superman (he's actually speed blitzed him more than once when he wasn't in the mood for his bullshit), Captain Marvel, Mongol, Doomsday, Brainiac, Parasite, Lobo (he punched Lobo into SPACE one time when he pissed him off)


People acting like he holds back and just lets people whoop his ass all the time don't seem like they've read many superman comics.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Right but it doesn't have to be a kill shot. He's capable of punching people unconscious like any other hero with super strength. That's how he wins 99.9% of his fights. He's blitzed characters with his level of strength and durability with ease in the comics before. People act like not killing makes superman weaker, but not really. If we're going to get technical the hulk never kills anyone either in the comics. Most heroes don't.


But suddenly in these debates it's "supes will hold back while the other guy tries to win, even until he gets hurt or killed" I don't know why that's the logic people use because he never does that in the comics. As soon as he can tell someone's on his power level he goes all out. He's done it to the cyborg superman (he's actually speed blitzed him more than once when he wasn't in the mood for his bullshit), Captain Marvel, Mongol, Doomsday, Brainiac, Parasite, Lobo (he punched Lobo into SPACE one time when he pissed him off)


People acting like he holds back and just lets people whoop his ass all the time don't seem like they've read many superman comics.

no i am using Supes more typical history which in a fight against someone Hulks strength would see him get in a long drawn out battle. Ya Hulk gets in them too but the difference here is that without knowledge of one another one guy is getting stronger while the other is getting weaker.

 

[Halifax]

Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. He would have to react if supes was punching him.

Stronger.

Doesn't change the fact that Superman moves so fast Hulk would basically be going in super slow motion for him while he was going normal speed.

Superman can move almost as fast as the flash for fucks sakes. Hulk could not even see what was hitting him.

 

[revoltub]

Stronger.

Doesn't change the fact that Superman moves so fast Hulk would basically be going in super slow motion for him while he was going normal speed.

Superman can move almost as fast as the flash for fucks sakes. Hulk could not even see what was hitting him.

I was just pointing out that he would get stronger

 

[Mike]

no i am using Supes more typical history which in a fight against someone Hulks strength would see him get in a long drawn out battle. Ya Hulk gets in them too but the difference here is that without knowledge of one another one guy is getting stronger while the other is getting weaker.

Well the thing is, this argument only works with someone like say spider-man. He's more durable than a regular person but not SUPER durable. He's lost fights because he was holding back and trying not to hurt somebody and got blasted.


Superman has HIGH tier durability. Higher than the hulks, that's for sure. Hulk is not capable of one punching him, or of koing him with a single or a few combinations. It would take a prolonged beating. Which would give superman more than enough time to realize hey, this guy is really strong. The second he realizes that, other than saying he will fight like a retard for no reason, there's nothing stopping him from using his speed and ranged attacks.


They've fought before in corossovers, and even there using the "everyone fights like an idiot" rules he beat him with sheer power and durability. He's stronger AND tougher than the hulk, AND he's thousands of times faster and has ranged attacks capable of seriously hurting the hulk. The only way Hulk wins is if you gimp superman by saying he will only use one of his powers until he's beaten to death.... for some reason. Even then in straight hand to hand rock em sock em robots fights supes is 3-0 vs hulk in the comics. Hulk isn't better anywhere except maybe regeneration. Superman can regenerate any time he chooses tho by flying into the sun. Doing so makes him stronger as well.

 

[Mike]

Stronger.

Doesn't change the fact that Superman moves so fast Hulk would basically be going in super slow motion for him while he was going normal speed.

Superman can move almost as fast as the flash for fucks sakes. Hulk could not even see what was hitting him.

Hey it's the argument I've been making in this thread for twenty pages to no avail. Good luck.