Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[blaseblah]

So question about Ant-Man. When he shrinks he retains his normal strength. However when he becomes a giant he has the strength of a giant. Shouldn't he be a giant with the strength of a human?

 

[FyrFytr998]

Wouldn't Pym just be crushed inside Supermans head when pops?

That sounds....weirdly...awesome. Like something Warren Ellis would have done in his Authority run.

You would think right? I’m not sold, but the use of green Kryptonite makes it possible, as it makes his flesh pliable.

Bottom line is Thor's speed and magic are insufficient. Superman is just as fast if not faster and he can deal with magic. He has everyone's powers, and uses them all in concert at the blink of an eye when he wants to.

“Superman's powers come from his alien biology, but he is as vulnerable to magic as any mortal, and can easily fall under the influence of spells, potions, and curses. However, Superman remains very strong, allowing him to put up a greater fight in battles with magical warriors than others would. Magical weaponry has been shown to be able to pierce his otherwise superhumanly hard skin. The precise extent of his vulnerability to magic will according to the magic used (and the whims of the writer).”

No. He can’t deal with magic without a writer’s crutch. Being able to put up a fight is not certain victory. You take your time with that. Or don’t.

that's why I said maybe.

I just posted what another person threw out as a scenario. As I said. If green Kryptonite is in play, it can happen.

So question about Ant-Man. When he shrinks he retains his normal strength. However when he becomes a giant he has the strength of a giant. Shouldn't he be a giant with the strength of a human?

That’s one of those weird plot holes with Pym. It makes no sense honestly. I’m in the camp that his strength should be proportionate to his size, but that would make him pretty useless in Ant Man mode.

 

[Bob Gray]

It's bush league to try to turn and argument on itself. It may sound like you're pointing out hypocrisy but to be honest it does more to reveal one's own weak platform. A man who can stand on his own two legs does not need to tear another man down. Everyone is being selective in their criteria, but the point is an example is meant to support the point, and the point is what you address. If you get lost in the example trying to turn it sideways, you're just employing argumentative tactics.

Bottom line is Thor's speed and magic are insufficient. Superman is just as fast if not faster and he can deal with magic. He has everyone's powers, and uses them all in concert at the blink of an eye when he wants to.

It's okay. Take your time with it.

Of course everyone is selective. I mean, don't get me wrong, I Internet love ya and all, but your labrybthine logic and non sequiturs don't bring anything to the table.

Arguments like:
"Supermans vulnerability to magic is more or less a subsequent step of the writers Maternal conflict with domineering women. Lars Von Trunklestein was the catalyst for the magical Achilles heel. Himself being a descendant twice removed from one of Ivan the Terribles concubines. Not full blooded but more of a half sibling. Which half? Not important.

His unfortunate upbringing often left him forced to dance in raw cake batter, smearing a vermillion tinted lipstick upon his lips with his left hand as he was forced to do the alphabet in sign language with his right, all the while as his mother would throw peanuts at him while playing "Tie a Ribbon around the Old Oak Tree" with a kazoo she had acquired from a half blind woman at a flea market in Kurdistan.

He married an hag of a woman who often left him in tears after belittling his unfortunately severe case of micro penis.

He often dreamed of both of these women as witches, thus his innate fear of magic would work itself into the page. Ergo, Supermans weakness is more a sign of the writers inability to cope with his mental instabilities more than it is a logical profession of the Superman legend, ergo Vis-a-vis a series of domineering females has left our Man in Blue with a vulnerability that says more about the writer than Superman.

No, I'm not wearing pants. What is this?! ENGLAND?!!!!"

-Secret Agent


I get it. That's your schtick. You think you're running circles around everyone else. It's fine. It's often funny and usually some of most educational stuff in the thread, but it also veers off into tangents that have nothing to do with what's being discussed. Going off in stuff like this isn't an actual argument that Thor isn't faster than Supes when you could easily argue he is by saying "triple light speed, duh."

All this crap can easily be used by any writer, with an actual logical argument, to have either of these guys win. There's nothing in either guys history preventing them from losing to the other if you take the right pieces and ignore some others in both sides.

 

[minute bull]

Of course everyone is selective. I mean, don't get me wrong, I Internet love ya and all, but your labrybthine logic and non sequiturs don't bring anything to the table.

Arguments like:
"Supermans vulnerability to magic is more or less a subsequent step of the writers Maternal conflict with domineering women. Lars Von Trunklestein was the catalyst for the magical Achilles heel. Himself being a descendant twice removed from one of Ivan the Terribles concubines. Not full blooded but more of a half sibling. Which half? Not important.

His unfortunate upbringing often left him forced to dance in raw cake batter, smearing a vermillion tinted lipstick upon his lips with his left hand as he was forced to do the alphabet in sign language with his right, all the while as his mother would throw peanuts at him while playing "Tie a Ribbon around the Old Oak Tree" with a kazoo she had acquired from a half blind woman at a flea market in Kurdistan.

He married an hag of a woman who often left him in tears after belittling his unfortunately severe case of micro penis.

He often dreamed of both of these women as witches, thus his innate fear of magic would work itself into the page. Ergo, Supermans weakness is more a sign of the writers inability to cope with his mental instabilities more than it is a logical profession of the Superman legend, ergo Vis-a-vis a series of domineering females has left our Man in Blue with a vulnerability that says more about the writer than Superman.

No, I'm not wearing pants. What is this?! ENGLAND?!!!!"

-Secret Agent


I get it. That's your schtick. You think you're running circles around everyone else. It's fine. It's often funny and usually some of most educational stuff in the thread, but it also veers off into tangents that have nothing to do with what's being discussed. Going off in stuff like this isn't an actual argument that Thor isn't faster than Supes when you could easily argue he is by saying "triple light speed, duh."

All this crap can easily be used by any writer, with an actual logical argument, to have either of these guys win. There's nothing in either guys history preventing them from losing to the other if you take the right pieces and ignore some others in both sides.

That's really flattering that you think this much of me but none of this convinces me Superman can be beaten. I told you that getting lost in the argument does you no favors. Then you pull up some old bullshit like that's supposed to mean something? You dense motherfucker?

 

[Tiny]

Nuff said.

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

Nuff said.

With all the stones, Thanos can make Superman and the entire Justice League die with the snap of his fingers. Also, he can turn back time and just punch Superman in the face for 1,000 years if he wanted to.

 

[Hidden_Hand]

HOLY SHIT I had no idea Superman in DCEU was this strong, Thor would literally be his little bitch dog.

And there is Thanos barely able to overpower Captain America and Ironman holding his own ahahha

Supes is defo OP

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Supes annihilates them all in short order unless he’s handicapped by writing.

 

[CodeBreaker]

Decent thread

Thank you