Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[Bob Gray]

@Mike: "Still waiting for your source that Thor has light speed"

Bob: *posts comic scan of Thor moving at triple light speed*

Mike: "You don't know what you're talking about. I'm leaving."

 

[Mike]

@Mike: "Still waiting for your source that Thor has light speed"

Bob: *posts comic scan of Thor moving at triple light speed*

Mike: "You don't know what you're talking about. I'm leaving."

It's almost like I never explained to you over and over again that travel and combat speed are different things.




You know what? I'm beyond sick of you. The entire time I've been here you just follow people around looking for arguments. And what's worse you're NEVER right and NEVER know what you're talking about. But you never let that stop you from being ultra condescneding about topics you have zero knowledge about.


Welcome to ignore bud have a nice life. I will enjoy never having the headache of trying to talk to you about anything ever again. Later!

 

[FyrFytr998]

Still waiting to see what source you're using that says Thor has lightspeed.

http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_complete_powers#axzz5FE7Ireiz


"By throwing Mjolnir while grasping its leather thong, Thor can simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32 (over 24,000 mph)"


^^

This is travel speed, which is a markedly different thing than fight speed in comics. Even if you (mistakenly) give him this speed in combat it doesn't matter. Since superman is still far faster than that. He's casually travelled across the planet or even to other planets in the blink of an eye. Thor? Not so much.

Yay! Let’s play the wikia game.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

What was that about not using all their abilities? There’s all the links to the issues cited. Again, the writers never needed to show Thor fighting at super speed, because he’s not that type of hero, nor were his stories.

The OP asked if Superman can be beaten by the Avengers. Thor and Hulk combined can take Superman. Throw in Stark probably calling down Hulk Buster armor, and it’ll be lights out.

So yeah, if that’s still not enough for you, nothing is. Superman’s battles with Marvel heroes were predetermined before they were drawn by virtue of fan popularity then. It won’t go his way today in a fan vote.

Either way I’m over it.

 

[BigGucciSosa]

Ive never met anyone cool who liked Superman

 

[brokenjaw]

Well the general rule for hurting Superman is magic and/or kryptonite. So let's say Infinity War roster of Avengers have a run in with Bat-nightmare/just came back frfr the dead -JL Superman. This pretty much eliminates everyone except Strange, Thor and maybe SW and Vision. Thor took a 2 minute facial from a fucking star and survived so that means he can take a punch and Strange has shown that he is basically a magical Batman alway having a spell up his sleeve. A pissed of/evil Superman is nearly impossible to take down but Strange can theorettheoret send him to a black hole and if StormBreaker can power through aafull blast from the infinity gauntlet with all five stones andanearly kill Thanos i think it's powerful enough to kill Superman.


edit : maaaybee antman can shrink down get inside supermans head and then size uo while still inside.

 

[Loiosh]

movie hulk (considerably weaker than comic hulk) just survived a ride on the asgardian rainbow express that included reentry into earth's atmosphere and a collision into earth through dr. strange's living room.

Well, he didn't hit the living room that hard, or he would left a massive crater.

 

[Loiosh]

What the fuck is cryptonite?

Radioactive currency.

 

[Cooz]

Super speed frost breath and heat vision fucks him up badly.

Unless for some stupid reason they decided that during that fight supes decides to not go super sonic and dance around all the lightening shit before sending thor into orbit.

Cause you know gotta make the fights interesting and all.

Basically with super speed supes would have the ability to never get hit by thor or lightening or anything if he was written honestly and true to his powers. But then no fights would be interesting would they?

That applies to every fight super is in, and he NEVER uses his super speed.

 

[Bob Gray]

It's almost like I never explained to you over and over again that travel and combat speed are different things.




You know what? I'm beyond sick of you. The entire time I've been here you just follow people around looking for arguments. And what's worse you're NEVER right and NEVER know what you're talking about. But you never let that stop you from being ultra condescneding about topics you have zero knowledge about.


Welcome to ignore bud have a nice life. I will enjoy never having the headache of trying to talk to you about anything ever again. Later!

Right. More completely subjective whims. I understand.

"Look at superman race flash. He has super speed. Unbeatable."

"Look at Thor move faster"

"Doesnt matter because Thanos was arrested by police."

"Dude....what?

"Im ignoring you, la-la-la"

 

[Tiny]

That applies to every fight super is in, and he NEVER uses his super speed.

That's because the ability is a dead end story telling wise.

 

[Iroh]

Hulk has kryptonite pigmentation. Easy work for Hulk.

 

[FyrFytr998]

edit : maaaybee antman can shrink down get inside supermans head and then size uo while still inside.

That scenario has been broached. Pym would need a shit ton of ants coated in Kryptonite dust in order to distract him enough to enter Superman’s head to pop his top. Without prep time and advanced knowledge of Superman’s weakness, I doubt it though.

 

[Bob Gray]

That scenario has been broached. Pym would need a shit ton of ants coated in Kryptonite dust in order to distract him enough to enter Superman’s head to pop his top. Without prep time and advanced knowledge of Superman’s weakness, I doubt it though.

Wouldn't Pym just be crushed inside Supermans head when pops?

That sounds....weirdly...awesome. Like something Warren Ellis would have done in his Authority run.

 

[Bob Gray]

That's because the ability is a dead in story telling wise.

Probably why the writers also leave out Thor being able to move even faster than Superman.

I mean, I agree with you at heart, that super speed is a dumb power unless it's someone like Flash who has it for their core ability. But literally the argument since forever is that since Supes races the flash so he has super speed. Whenever he's in a fight and uses his speed, it's the races with the flash they use to measure how fast he's moving. But now Thor moving at 3 times the speed of light doesn't matter.

At the very least they might both be able to use their speed to get the "first shot", which has been the prevailing argument throughout the thread. But that's essentially prep time, which is uber gay, like Batman and his fans.

 

[punkmother]

Since you love scans so much, how about the next couple pages after that?

Thats literally The Avengers beating up Supes and leaving him for dead.

But Im sure it doesnt count.

Literally.....scans....of...Avengers...beating...Superman. . In the exact same issue of your scan, And they dont even have Hulk. But only yours "counts", I assume?

none of the crossovers between marvel and dc should count, they aren't canon.

 

[Bob Gray]

none of the crossovers between marvel and dc should count, they aren't canon.

I agree. Otherwise Wolverine would beat Lobo which is lolzy.

But I was responding because it was literally the same issue that the guy I quoted was using as evidence, but he only wants to use certain pages and not others.

 

[minute bull]

I agree. Otherwise Wolverine would beat Lobo which is lolzy.

But I was responding because it was literally the same issue that the guy I quoted was using as evidence, but he only wants to use certain pages and not others.

It's bush league to try to turn and argument on itself. It may sound like you're pointing out hypocrisy but to be honest it does more to reveal one's own weak platform. A man who can stand on his own two legs does not need to tear another man down. Everyone is being selective in their criteria, but the point is an example is meant to support the point, and the point is what you address. If you get lost in the example trying to turn it sideways, you're just employing argumentative tactics.

Bottom line is Thor's speed and magic are insufficient. Superman is just as fast if not faster and he can deal with magic. He has everyone's powers, and uses them all in concert at the blink of an eye when he wants to.

It's okay. Take your time with it.

 

[Tiny]

Probably why the writers also leave out Thor being able to move even faster than Superman.

I mean, I agree with you at heart, that super speed is a dumb power unless it's someone like Flash who has it for their core ability. But literally the argument since forever is that since Supes races the flash so he has super speed. Whenever he's in a fight and uses his speed, it's the races with the flash they use to measure how fast he's moving. But now Thor moving at 3 times the speed of light doesn't matter.

At the very least they might both be able to use their speed to get the "first shot", which has been the prevailing argument throughout the thread. But that's essentially prep time, which is uber gay, like Batman and his fans.

I've read the marvel bios on thor and he does seem to have the ability of super speed.

which they seem to conveniently hardly use.

ever.

and they've further nerfed him in the movies. So I would say with that being the case, Supes would roll through the other 3, and have an epic battle with Thor.

Supes wins that eventually though.

 

[gspieler]

The only thing this thread has proved is how pointless these comic book comparisons are, they never end.

Also how flawed comic characters are, every character should have a negative to their positive, it's stupid making characters that can't lose.

This is why Tolkien was the greatest fantasy writer of all time, his ideals on power and strength were amazing, the more you use the less you have i.e. nothing is limitless and everything requires sacrifice.

I love comics but you have to read them with a pinch of salt because one minute Thanos is slaying Celestials the next he is getting arrested or laid out by Squirrel Girl.

Yeah, for the sake of these discussions, there really needs to be a standard def of what each character's abilities/limitations are. In the absence of that, it's open to interpretation about what source is used to define them.

 

[brokenjaw]

That scenario has been broached. Pym would need a shit ton of ants coated in Kryptonite dust in order to distract him enough to enter Superman’s head to pop his top. Without prep time and advanced knowledge of Superman’s weakness, I doubt it though.

that's why I said maybe. Best bet is an angry Thor with StormBreaker or Strange sending him to an alternative reality / dimension.