Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[Bob Gray]

Thor has never ever been shown using super speed in a fight that I can ever remember. Superman is weak to magic in the sense that he's not any more immune to it than anyone else. Thor fought superman n the crossover, and it was another The Plot Is Stupid fight where supes didn't use his speed. If you're going to claim all these powers source them. Show me a scan of Thor using speed ever. He DOES NOT have super speed as a power. He NEVER HAS.

The point of the flash races isn't that superman is faster or even nearly as fast as the flash. The point is he's in that same ballpark of being able to move near or at the speed of light. Which is 186,000 miles per second. That's not like Usain Bolt vs you or me. It's like Usain Bolt vs a paralyzed Sloth.


Multiple scans were posted earlier of Superman tanking Captain Marvels lightning and ending that fight as soon as he wanted. Here's how Thor vs supes went down even with moronic writing:

Since you love scans so much, how about the next couple pages after that?

Thats literally The Avengers beating up Supes and leaving him for dead.

But Im sure it doesnt count.

Literally.....scans....of...Avengers...beating...Superman. . In the exact same issue of your scan, And they dont even have Hulk. But only yours "counts", I assume?

 

[Mike]

Since you love scans so much, how about the next couple pages after that?

Thats literally The Avengers beating up Supes and leaving him for dead.

But Im sure it doesnt count.

Literally.....scans....of...Avengers...beating...Superman. . In the exact same issue of your scan, And they dont even have Hulk. But only yours "counts", I assume?

What we had been debating was supes vs Thor. I posted those scans to show even when fighting like a tard for the sake of the story Superman can beat hulk and Thor with pure strength and durability.

Have you come up with a logical reason why Superman wouldn't use his speed, heat vision, or cold breath other than "because then he would casually curb stomp them?"


I'm guessing no.

 

[Bob Gray]

What we had been debating was supes vs Thor. I posted those scans to show even when fighting like a tard for the sake of the story Superman can beat hulk and Thor with pure strength and durability.

Have you come up with a logical reason why Superman wouldn't use his speed, heat vision, or cold breath other than "because then he would casually curb stomp them?"


I'm guessing no.

I never said he wouldnt use them.

This is why it seems like you never understand what Im saying. You quote me with words I never say and think youre contradicting arguments I dont have.

But since you place such importance on scans. Again, I posted scan of Avengers beating Supes. From the same issue as your scan. So I guess that means Avengers would beat Supes, right? Unless youre accepting one panel and then literally refusing to accept the very next panel of the same issue.

 

[Mike]

I never said he wouldnt use them.

This is why it seems like you never understand what Im saying. You quote me with words I never say and think youre contradicting arguments I dont have.

But since you place such importance on scans. Again, I posted scan of Avengers beating Supes. From the same issue as your scan. So I guess that means Avengers would beat Supes, right? Unless youre accepting one panel and then literally refusing to accept the very next panel of the same issue.

Ok so what's the reason he didn't use his powers in that scan? If you answer with anything other than because if he used the full range of his powers he would win, which isn't the story they wanted to tell, then you're trolling or don't understand how comics work.


I think it's the latter.

 

[Mike]

Notice how in the scans of Superman vs hulk and Thor they are not gimped. Thor doesn't forget he has lightning. Hulk doesn't get mysteriously one punched and has his normal super strength and durability?

 

[Bob Gray]

Ok so what's the reason he didn't use his powers in that scan? If you answer with anything other than because if he used the full range of his powers he would win, which isn't the story they wanted to tell, then you're trolling or don't understand how comics work.


I think it's the latter.

"How comics work"? Jesus. They work however the writer wants them to work. For fucks sake, man.

Weve already discussed the speed factor ad nauseam. Our positions are literally the same as they were like 2 pages ago. Now its cold breath thats gonna be the game changer?


How about this: Why is Supes the only one "not using all his powers?" Why isnt THor moving at faster than light speed (which hes capable of doing as per the previous post?).

Why isnt Thor throwing his hammer at faster than light speed?

Why isnt the power of Thors hammer transcending time and space, which its capable of doing?

Why isnt Iron Man in Hulk Buster Armor?


Yadda, yadda, yadda.

It goes on and on.


The thread is literally discussing what exactly happens in the scans I showed you, and youve been pissing and moaning about a lack of scans for the whole thread.

Well, there you go.

Oh, Wait! But that doesnt matter, right? Only the panel immediately preceding the scan I posted can be counted....for some reason? Because in real life....this or that would happen?

 

[FyrFytr998]

What we had been debating was supes vs Thor. I posted those scans to show even when fighting like a tard for the sake of the story Superman can beat hulk and Thor with pure strength and durability.

Have you come up with a logical reason why Superman wouldn't use his speed, heat vision, or cold breath other than "because then he would casually curb stomp them?"


I'm guessing no.

So I guess the official Marvel entry stating what Thor’s powers are, aren’t proof enough for you then? Thor has never been written to show a need for super speed. And the few comics that mention it only allude to it. Why? Because that’s how his character works. Hell, he probably thinks running is beneath him.

You put way too much stock into what was previously written when DC’s heroes were more popular to the general public. That would not be the case today. This is one of those hard to swallow pills DC fanboys need to swallow today.

So at this point, if you can’t accept what’s given as fact from Marvel itself, it’s you who are trolling. On paper in black and white, without the whims of a writer or an agreement between companies. Thor is Superman’s physical equal, and possesses magical items that will harm Superman. Point Blank. Throw in the Hulk, Iron Man, and even Cap. Superman gets beaten. Just like Hercules, Wonder Man, She Hulk, Vision, and Iron Man did to him. He was toast until of all people, the much maligned Aquaman saves him.

Please change your avatar. You’re not worthy Stan.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

why are the good guys always fighting in these comics?

 

[Mike]

No freaking Thor cannot fight at lightspeed and has never displayed that power set. Thor's wiki was posted earlier and he can reach Mach speeds with the hammer for travel. He doesn't possess that speed during combat and even if he did Superman is still much faster than that.

 

[Mike]

So I guess the official Marvel entry stating what Thor’s powers are, aren’t proof enough for you then? Thor has never been written to show a need for super speed. And the few comics that mention it only allude to it. Why? Because that’s how his character works. Hell, he probably thinks running is beneath him.

You put way too much stock into what was previously written when DC’s heroes were more popular to the general public. That would not be the case today. This is one of those hard to swallow pills DC fanboys need to swallow today.

So at this point, if you can’t accept what’s given as fact from Marvel itself, it’s you who are trolling. On paper in black and white, without the whims of a writer or an agreement between companies. Thor is Superman’s physical equal, and possesses magical items that will harm Superman. Point Blank. Throw in the Hulk, Iron Man, and even Cap. Superman gets beaten. Just like Hercules, Wonder Man, She Hulk, Vision, and Iron Man did to him. He was toast until of all people, the much maligned Aquaman saves him.

Please change your avatar. You’re not worthy Stan.

Still waiting to see what source you're using that says Thor has lightspeed.

http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_complete_powers#axzz5FE7Ireiz


"By throwing Mjolnir while grasping its leather thong, Thor can simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32 (over 24,000 mph)"


^^

This is travel speed, which is a markedly different thing than fight speed in comics. Even if you (mistakenly) give him this speed in combat it doesn't matter. Since superman is still far faster than that. He's casually travelled across the planet or even to other planets in the blink of an eye. Thor? Not so much.

 

[Bob Gray]

No freaking Thor cannot fight at lightspeed and has never displayed that power set. Thor's wiki was posted earlier and he can reach Mach speeds with the hammer for travel. He doesn't possess that speed during combat and even if he did Superman is still much faster than that.

Still waiting to see what source you're using that says Thor has lightspeed.

http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_complete_powers#axzz5FE7Ireiz


"By throwing Mjolnir while grasping its leather thong, Thor can simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32 (over 24,000 mph)"


^^

This is travel speed, which is a markedly different thing than fight speed in comics. Even if you (mistakenly) give him this speed in combat it doesn't matter. Since superman is still far faster than that. He's casually travelled across the planet or even to other planets in the blink of an eye. Thor? Not so much.

Now shut about light speed, for fucks sake.

Of course, somehow this scan won't count.

 

[Bob Gray]

Geez, why didn't Thor just twist and weave space when he fought superman? I guess the writer just had to nerf his powers to give Supes a chance.

 

[Mike]

Went to go look up your amazing post 493. Yeah you copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from.... somewhere? With no links, unlike every single wiki I've sourced itt. Then you show scans of him beating Quicksilver like that matters. As if every DC speedster wasn't much faster than him. Even DC characters with speed as a secondary power like WW and Supes are much faster than him. Quicksilver is a joke compared to other speedsters and always has been. He's been upgraded many times over the years and is still laughably slow.

 

[Mike]

as a non-comic book fan this is all so confusing. the powers are all over the place. i dont get how superman who could beat all these people without even trying according to some of you gets beat by batman, a dude with a tool belt.

also, i remember watching the hulk growing up. lou ferigno could throw people 20 feet or so, but he certainly wasnt doing any crazy stuff you people claim he could do. and wonder woman surely wouldnt have been able to beat these people as sexy as lynda carter may have been

Superman only loses to Batman when he starts with kryptonite and prep and ambushes him, AND superman isn't trying to hurt him, AND he doesn't use his speed (because then beating batman would be trivially easy) so they just have him "forget" to use it.

 

[Mike]

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Now shut about light speed, for fucks sake.

Of course, somehow this scan won't count.

Travel. Speed. Isn't. EVER. The. Same. Thing. As. Fight speed.


That's why there is a separate classification. Any scans of him using speed in battle and not just to fly somewhere, and being faster than someone with supes level of speed? Quicksilver again is whatever, he's slow as a snail compared to dc speedsters.

 

[Takanori Gomez]

 

[Mike]

You don't have enough knowledge about comics for a discussion like this. You take everything out of context, then get mad when people rightfully point out you don't know what you're talking about. Because you didn't read the comics, you go and google random scans and take them out of context and don't even understand that you're doing it.


But then again you have a "everything counts even if it's retarded" stance, which makes a logical discussion completely impossible.

 

[Mike]

Here's a random scan of beat cops arresting a high level cosmic. Since all scans are equally relevant, these beat cops are more powerful than:


The entire X-men and Avengers, the Silver Surfer and every other herald of galactus, the GOTG, Hulk, Thor, Odin, The Sentry, etc. But I'm sure you'll have some retort about how that isn't completely ridiculous. After all it happened there's the scan right there.

 

[Bob Gray]

Travel. Speed. Isn't. EVER. The. Same. Thing. As. Fight speed.


That's why there is a separate classification. Any scans of him using speed in battle and not just to fly somewhere, and being faster than someone with supes level of speed? Quicksilver again is whatever, he's slow as a snail compared to dc speedsters.

See, this is why you're full of shit. Initially it was scans of him beating flash and "See? He runs fast" and that was the end of it.

Now through the power Google fu and 50 years of people writing stories about Gods with hammers that fight bank robbers after the writer has been doing blow off a strippers tit we can show that Thor has actually traveled faster than Superman ever has.

But the thread keeps going and going and your goal posts get wider and wider. Now Thor must beat someone as fast as Superman, even though Superman doesn't need to prove he can beat someon who can move at triple the speed of light and literally bend space and time.

Supermans "fight speed" isn't the same thing as him racing flash either. Since how fast he "travels" is apparently not an indicator of how fast he "fights". Because that's the rule you just made up. So stuff like the previous panels of running circles around Doomsday is now meaningless, since "fight speed" is not synonymous with "travel speed" because that's the thing you literally just made up. So now all of these scans and panels of Superman being fast are just him being faster than his opponent and not necessarily as fast as when he "travels".

 

[Mike]

500 posts of you guys making the same dumb arguments and we're still going. I'm over it. Tired of explaining to you 1000 different ways why you're wrong and hoping you'll get it. Don't quote me or tag me in this thread anymore. I'm tired of talking about it.


Take that as a victory if you want I don't care. Both of you still have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not going in circles anymore. Have a good day.