Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[Strychnine]

a true assessment of the Flash's powers should have him easily defeating all the Avengers and X-men at once.

Deathstroke stabbed The Flash during identity crisis.

 

[Tiny]

Instantly dead? Lol based on what? These are superheroes. You think Thor and hulk are going out by one hit?

The avengers face gods and opponents with all different powers and youre saying that super speed is their weakness?

Doc. Strange and Scarlett witch both have the magic to nullify superman speed.

And I don't agree that superman has the speed advantage over quicksilver that you say.

Hes about the same speed as quicksilver or flash. Which means he moves so fast that time is nearly at a stand still for everyone else.

That means that supes could litterally dismantle ironmans suit using those shitty ikea tools that come with their furinture.

From the avengers pov they would simply find themselves instantly in whatever state superman desired. So he could chuck the hulk and thor towards a black hole snap caps back and dismantle ironmans armor and package it away in boxes.

I mean if you are confused watch the quick silver scene in days of future past. Now instead of quick silver ya got this incredibly strong hero who can shoot lasers from his eyes able to have his way with you.

Dr strange is the only person who could counter superman. Scarlet witch wojldnt be able to cast a spell quick enough to react to superman.

But this doesnt include either of them. Its thor iron man hulk and cap.

And superman mops the floor with them all

 

[Tiny]

Deathstroke stabbed The Flash during identity crisis.

Cant stab superman. And hes not an avenger.

 

[Tiny]

Cuckold

 

[Mike]

He was overpowered pre crisis.

Thats why they greatly depowered him afterward. So you cant give post crisis supes the same powers as pre crisis supes. That's why I made the distinction.

Doomsday never lays a hand on silver age superman.

Again you're saying stuff that is just factually wrong. I get it's just comics and not super cereal, but you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Post crisis superman has a lot of weird powers removed that pre crisis had, but still has the heat vision, frost breath, speed, durability, and strength.


Again, Post Crisis Superman is able to move either at lightspeed or very near it, depending on the writer. That is a consistent power for supes in every version since the golden age. And as others have mentioned Doomsday DOES have super speed, his genetics are kryptonian too.

 

[Mike]

Cant stab superman. And hes not an avenger.

That was also a clear case of plot induced stupidity. Deathstrokes stats are roughly on Caps level but he beats the flash up all the time. Because they have the flash just stand in front of him and take a beating. Instead of, you know, using his primary super power. Deathstroke has no business hanging with Gl, flash, WW, Martian etc.

 

[revoltub]

Again you're saying stuff that is just factually wrong. I get it's just comics and not super cereal, but you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Post crisis superman has a lot of weird powers removed that pre crisis had, but still has the heat vision, frost breath, speed, durability, and strength.


Again, Post Crisis Superman is able to move either at lightspeed or very near it, depending on the writer. That is a consistent power for supes in every version since the golden age. And as others have mentioned Doomsday DOES have super speed, his genetics are kryptonian too.

None of those powers you mentioned are enough to stop the avengers. You are greatly over powering superman in your fantasy.

 

[Mike]

Deathstroke stabbed The Flash during identity crisis.

Lol this is like the third time I've seen him beat the flash by holding an object out and flash just runs into it. Completely asinine, since the flash has superhuman reflexes as well as speed. If he didn't he'd run into a wall at lightspeed and turn himself into a smear. Just the laziest dumbest writing. But to be fair without dumb writing the JLA would never lose to anyone, especially flash. He's by far the strongest JLA member.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Yeah if you look at the full scans of that fight, Supes was holding back while a mind controlled Shazam was going full out, using magic, supermans only other weakness. Superman still won that fight though, and on sheer durability. No speed involved.

Superman won, but not because he stopped holding back, but because he outsmarted brainwashed Billy.
They've always been even and at this stage, Supes was older and Shazam is forever prime.

Unless you think Supes was also sandbagging at the end so Billy could eat that nuke...

 

[Mike]

None of those powers you mentioned are enough to stop the avengers. You are greatly over powering superman in your fantasy.

I don't understand how you are not getting that superman is thousands of times faster than they are. Would you lose a fight to a snail? Now, imagine you are 500 times faster than you are right now. Would you lose to a snail or nah?


We all watch fights, we know how important it is when one fighter is SLIGHTLY faster. We are talking about literally thousands of times faster. None of them, including Quicksilver, could see or react to him. Superman is multiple times faster than Quicksilver.

 

[Tiny]

That was also a clear case of plot induced stupidity. Deathstrokes stats are roughly on Caps level but he beats the flash up all the time. Because they have the flash just stand in front of him and take a beating. Instead of, you know, using his primary super power. Deathstroke has no business hanging with Gl, flash, WW, Martian etc.

Its almost like the writers dont know how to deal with these powers

 

[Mike]

Superman won, but not because he stopped holding back, but because he outsmarted brainwashed Billy.
They've always been even and at this stage, Supes was older and Shazam is forever prime.

Unless you think Supes was also sandbagging at the end so Billy could eat that nuke...

Still Supes is holding back because he didn't want to hurt Billy. That's why he outsmarted him. He literally just tanked and no sold all of Billy's offense because he waned to save him. At that point he had Billy completely helpless. If he'd wanted to kill him he would have. At the end with the nuke it clearly shows supes was going to reach it first and billy grabbed him and threw him aside. Billy also, like most dc bricks, has super speed for some stupid reason.


You've read comics forever. I know you know DC writers nerf the hell out of the characters in fights, because they're way too strong. Look at that scan @Strychnine posted with flash and tell me that isn't just stupid writing.

 

[revoltub]

I don't understand how you are not getting that superman is thousands of times faster than they are. Would you lose a fight to a snail? Now, imagine you are 500 times faster than you are right now. Would you lose to a snail or nah?


We all watch fights, we know how important it is when one fighter is SLIGHTLY faster. We are talking about literally thousands of times faster. None of them, including Quicksilver, could see or react to him. Superman is multiple times faster than Quicksilver.

Yes we know. But there are ways to counter that. I dont know why you have such a hard on for super speed.

I also don't know why you believe superman is unbeatable when he was beaten several times. The avengers beat him in a crossover.

I can't agree that the avenegers couldn't figure out a way to counter this speed.

 

[Mike]

Its almost like the writers dont know how to deal with these powers

And like they've been nerfing them since the golden age, but they're still op <45>

 

[Mike]

Yes we know. But there are ways to counter that. I dont know why you have such a hard on for super speed.

I also don't know why you believe superman is unbeatable when he was beaten several times. The avengers beat him in a crossover.

I can't agree that the avenegers couldn't figure out a way to counter this speed.

Because there is literally no counter for super speed unless you just don't use it like a retard. Superman can kill most of the avengers in one hit and is thousands of times faster. Again. Thousands.


And I already explained that crossover is supes fighting the entire avengers pretty much using just his strength. Because otherwise he'd murder them. Comic book writing has literally ALWAYS been like this, because their are many power tiers, and some characters are like gods compared to others. As soon as the fight starts anyone with magic like wanda or strange would be instantly dead. They would be like statues compared to his speed. Nobody on the avengers is fast enough to deal with him. Quicksilver would be too fast and Superman is FAR faster than any version of him.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Still Supes is holding back because he didn't want to hurt Billy. That's why he outsmarted him. He literally just tanked and no sold all of Billy's offense because he waned to save him. At that point he had Billy completely helpless. If he'd wanted to kill him he would have. At the end with the nuke it clearly shows supes was going to reach it first and billy grabbed him and threw him aside. Billy also, like most dc bricks, has super speed for some stupid reason.


You've read comics forever. I know you know DC writers nerf the hell out of the characters in fights, because they're way too strong. Look at that scan @Strychnine posted with flash and tell me that isn't just stupid writing.

Captain Marvel is the real deal. Supes wasn't holding back; he was getting his ass kicked while people were dying around him.

 

[Mike]

Captain Marvel is the real deal. Supes wasn't holding back; he was getting his ass kicked while people were dying around him.

I mean did you really read that story? He's trying to talk to billy the whole time and reverse Luthor's brainwashing. He just lets Billy tee off on him while he tries to reason with him. The very moment he starts getting annoyed he uses his speed and grabs billy during the lighting. Meaning he could have done so at any time. The dialogue even spells out that he does not want to fight billy and would rather just eat the lightning and talk to him, because he can take it.

 

[LuchaBear]

This is why Superman is the worst comic book character ever. It's like what's the point? If he's so powerfull and strong, why give a shit? Batman is having a hard time fighting guys like Joker and Scarecrow while Superman would annihilate those two geeks instantly.

What is the point? Such a lame super hero.

 

[bad seed]

Deathstroke stabbed The Flash during identity crisis.

considering that Flash can see human movements in slow motion, this is absurd within the confines of that universe.

 

[CodeBreaker]