International Brexit Discussion v8: Theresa May's Final Hours

[MiniCraque]

btw it seems that people are heavily injecting their own personal bias when interpreting the result of the MEP elections. When you add together parties who are for and against Brexist (clearly, so excluding Tories and Labour), it's still split right down the middle. What's noteworthy is how the Brexit party managed to monopolize the pro-Brexit voters whereas the other side is split amongst Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, etc.

There's something to be said about the pro-Brexit voters uniting in one focused front but anyone trying to extract a "the people of Britain have spoken" grand narrative out of this is talking out of their arses.

 

[MiniCraque]

It specified leaving even if a deal wasn't reached by a deadline. That deadline was extended by a government that doesn't want to follow through with the will of the people, so they explicitly voted for a party that says they're leaving as it was intended.
Why do you hate democracy?

No, it didn't. It was extremely open ended and is still up for interpretation. It didn't specify "leave no matter what" and it didn't specify a timeline.

 

[The ScorpioN]

No, it didn't. It was extremely open ended and is still up for interpretation. It didn't specify "leave no matter what" and it didn't specify a timeline.

Article 50.
It says they leave, deal or no deal, by April 12th. It was extended until October 31st.

 

[7437]

It specified leaving even if a deal wasn't reached by a deadline. That deadline was extended by a government that doesn't want to follow through with the will of the people, so they explicitly voted for a party that says they're leaving as it was intended.
Why do you hate democracy?

So you think he means immediate hard Brexit, hard Ireland border, etc. Care to bet on if that happens?

 

[7437]

Article 50.
It says they leave, deal or no deal, by April 12th. It was extended until October 31st.

I saw no dates on the referendum at all. You seem to be confusing reality with what you want

 

[The ScorpioN]

So you think he means immediate hard Brexit, hard Ireland border, etc. Care to bet on if that happens?

Maybe it won't, but I think a party called Brexit will at least try in good faith.

 

[7437]

Maybe it won't, but I think a party called Brexit will at least try in good faith.

Good faith? There is no plan to actually do this. No effort to succeed.

This looks like the exact opposite of good faith

 

[The ScorpioN]

I saw no dates on the referendum at all. You seem to be confusing reality with what you want

That won't be written in a 4 word catch phrase on a bus no, voters should get educated. British law says they leave deal or no deal on Oct 31st. Read about article 50.

 

[Lawless People]

Brexit Discussion, Part 8

• UK PM Theresa May announces resignation amid fury over Brexit handling (May 24, 2019)
• May’s final effort to win backing falls flat as MPs reject ‘new' deal (May 23, 2019)
• UK government seeks Brexit compromise after election fiasco (May 4, 2019)
• English and Northern Ireland election live updates (May 3, 2019)
  
• EU leaders, UK agree to extend Brexit deadline until the end of October (April 10, 2019)
• MPs rejected all four different Brexit options (April 1, 2019)
  
• Brexit: No majority for any options after MPs' votes (March 27, 2018)
  
• EU offers Brexit delay until April 12, extendable to May 22 if deal passes in Parliament (March 21, 2019)
• Brexit: Theresa May to formally ask for delay (March 20, 2019)
• John Bercow said Theresa May will not be allowed to bring forward a third similar vote on her deal (March 18, 2019)
• Britain's Parliament votes to delay Brexit by 412 to 202 (March 14, 2019)

Brexit Discussion, Part 7: The Self-Sabotage

Brexit Discussion, Part 6: The Divorce Begins

Brexit Discussion, Part 5: The In-Fighting

Brexit Discussion, Part 4: The Back-Pedaling

Brexit Discussion, Part 3: The World's Reaction to Brexit

Brexit Discussion, Part 2: The Day After The Vote

Brexit Discussion, Part 1: Counting Down to the Referendum

Now make me a pot pie, bitch!!!




* the bitch in question being May and not TS

 

[MiniCraque]

Article 50.
It says they leave, deal or no deal, by April 12th. It was extended until October 31st.

You were talking about the referendum, not Article 50. Stop moving the goalposts.

 

[7437]

That won't be written in a 4 word catch phrase on a bus no, voters should get educated. British law says they leave deal or no deal on Oct 31st. Read about article 50.

Educated how? According to you the platform says "brexit" and literally nothing else.

Yhe referendum didnt maybe extensions. It said leave yes or no.

 

[MiniCraque]

That won't be written in a 4 word catch phrase on a bus no, voters should get educated. British law says they leave deal or no deal on Oct 31st. Read about article 50.

British law? What the fuck are you talking about? The referendum was not legally binding and Article 50 is an article of the EU treaty, NOT British law.

 

[The ScorpioN]

British law? What the fuck are you talking about? The referendum was not legally binding and Article 50 is an article of the EU treaty, NOT British law.

Sure, article of the EU treaty not law. Are treaties not outlining the rules? It was invoked, then extended. Now people voted for a party that says it will follow through with it.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Educated how? According to you the platform says "brexit" and literally nothing else.

Yhe referendum didnt maybe extensions. It said leave yes or no.

Farage cited article 50 in numerous interviews on the campaign trail. It states Britain leaves, deal or no deal.

 

[MiniCraque]

Sure, article of the EU treaty not law. Are treaties not outlining the rules? It was invoked, then extended. Now people voted for a party that says it will follow through with it.

"Yeah sure, rules or something, guess I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about". As long as we're clear on two basic facts: 1. Nothing in "British law" says anything about whether the UK has to leave, much less how they have to go about it. 2. The referendum said nothing about a deadline and was not legally binding. Stop bullshitting around these truths and I won't say a word about the rest of your ignorant rambling.

 

[7437]

Farage cited article 50 in numerous interviews on the campaign trail. It states Britain leaves, deal or no deal.

Ok. So you dont care about the border or governance after brexit?

 

[Happy Man]

No, it didn't. It was extremely open ended and is still up for interpretation. It didn't specify "leave no matter what" and it didn't specify a timeline.

Just stop it.

Brexit is the will of the people, it’s obvious.

Only the media tries to tell people otherwise, for their elite masters trying to stymie the will of the people.

God, listening to people try to say it’s even a discussion is getting tiresome

 

[7437]

Just stop it.

Brexit is the will of the people, it’s obvious.

Only the media tries to tell people otherwise, for their elite masters trying to stymie the will of the people.

God, listening to people try to say it’s even a discussion is getting tiresome

When you say Brexit, you mean an immediate hard brexit?

 

[Happy Man]

When you say Brexit, you mean an immediate hard brexit?

Anything else is stalling against the will of the people.

It’s been 3 years, and the elite descendants of aristocrats will stall for a decade more if given the opportunity.

That much is obvious now. A soft brexit had its chance, it was a fair chance. It’s gone

Hard brexit all the way

 

[7437]

Anything else is stalling against the will of the people.

It’s been 3 years, and the elite descendants of aristocrats will stall for a decade more if given the opportunity.

That much is obvious now. A soft brexit had its chance, it was a fair chance. It’s gone

Hard brexit all the way

I actually agree, for a very different reason than you I'd bet.

But I dont think the Brexit party is made in good faith and gonna do that. I think Farage is a charlatan.

 

[The ScorpioN]

"Yeah sure, rules or something, guess I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about". As long as we're clear on two basic facts: 1. Nothing in "British law" says anything about whether the UK has to leave, much less how they have to go about it. 2. The referendum said nothing about a deadline and was not legally binding. Stop bullshitting around these truths and I won't say a word about the rest of your ignorant rambling.

Referendum said leave the EU. What does article 50 say about leaving the EU?