Economy Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

[fungi]

Always I had to read phrase cheap russian energy I already know that it is posted by someone delusional and very lazy even to lurk on prices charts 2006-2021 th....especially for end customers. LOL.
Xi is good partner for EU and is earning damn a lot by supplying xxxxx different stuff.
And about trade deals with AUKUS EU too is successful, you just don't know this reality.....realpolitik.....and real life situation.
Sit in your isolationism and post cocky posts and predictions, 32 years in row dudes like you had posted such stuff.

We shall see...

 

[fungi]

that makes as much sense as the other drivel you post, let's hope the meme thread gets fixed and all you chuds go back to your natural habitat, instead of blundering around and making ignorant comments on things they know absolutely fuck all about..

We shall see...

 

[SaiWa]

So what?
The politicians fucked it up, that doesn't mean the plan was not there.

Plan!!???

UK had no leverage and went into negotiations with a hope and a dream.
Brexit meant getting buttfucked hardcore with a side of Yorkshire pudding.

 

[tastaylvr]

So they left the EU due to immigrants? Jfc lol

This might come down as one of the biggest fucks up in modern history

 

[SandisLL]

Brexit has boosted UK wages, say economists

Drop in EU immigration has given British workers better bargaining power

www.telegraph.co.uk

You mean dishwashers in restaurants etc cos experienced shifts managers and chiefs etc still are hired?
IT companies are using remote workers more and more each day and additionally oustaffing and outsourcing plus sub contractors and offices in U.K too are still hiring experienced immigrants like nothing had happened? if someone is a dish washer in restaurant his real life quality will be approx the same in Turkey, EU or in Moscow or U.S.
This reality.

Do you know that during lockdown fruit pickers get special permits to be delivered via airplanes while you had to sit in lockdown?

Job post: welder, mandatory to have experience and cert a, cert b and short term contract.
10 CVs during week.
Job post : desk job in bank, mandatory requirements : degree and optional experience, we offer trial period and small salary for 1 st year....
90 + CVs during 1 day.....

 

[aries]

I agree with the bolded part but that's why immigrants aren't the solution. It just creates another issue which is that we need an endless supply of new housing. We can't just keep increasing our population for ever, it's just not possible.

Ok, that leads us to a different quandary. Economic growth is tied to population as it stands. The only way to get around that is to go to robots and AI to do much of the work. But that means that the less well-educated of society will be left jobless. So better education and training is the only solution to that. And then we'd have to support the rest through taxes in our high-wage economy. As far as robots go we are far behind in the UK compared to similar economies.

 

[FIMN]

No, it's not that simple.

You missed out the part where remain voters thought it was a good idea to insult half the country in the run up to a referendum.

You also missed out the part where we were poised to sign up to the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership prior to Brexit. Leaving the EU scuppered this which I think is an overwhelmingly good thing.

Finally, if I said there was a chance to economically and politically align ourselves with a trading block which is seeing support for the far right rise faster than at any point since the 1930s, would you agree to it? The EU we left isn't the EU we have now.

If you think that calling people unable to grasp reality as insulting, that's fair enough.

If you think setting fire to your kitchen will increase your house price, and I call you an idiot, I'm not responsible for the consequences when you realise that wasn't too. Me calling you an idiot for thinking that doesn't make you an idiot, nor does it make me responsible for your mistake. Take some responsibility.

TTP or whatever you want to call it is a separate issue really. Are we more or less likely as a country to join these types of agreements outside the EU?

We are demonstrably worse off than before we left the EU, with no tangible benefits from leaving.

 

[BigDeadFreak]

If you think that calling people unable to grasp reality as insulting, that's fair enough.

If you think setting fire to your kitchen will increase your house price, and I call you an idiot, I'm not responsible for the consequences when you realise that wasn't too. Me calling you an idiot for thinking that doesn't make you an idiot, nor does it make me responsible for your mistake. Take some responsibility.

TTP or whatever you want to call it is a separate issue really. Are we more or less likely as a country to join these types of agreements outside the EU?

We are demonstrably worse off than before we left the EU, with no tangible benefits from leaving.

It's no was near as simple as that.

First of all, we are demonstrably less likely to join TTIP due to Brexit.

The end of the transatlantic trade consensus?

Trump, Brexit and European scepticism about TTIP spell the end of transatlantic leadership on trade.

www.cer.org.uk

Secondly, the kitchen analogy is flawed because everyone in the UK is affected by Brexit, not just idiotic leave voters like me. Left wing politics in the UK can basically be summed up with the sentiment: Why don't all these dumb fucks vote the way I want them to?

If the left keep on failing to grasp this very basic reality of politics they will continue to lose. Ask yourself this, if the referendum was run again would remainers really conduct the campaign in the same way?

 

[Cajun]

That just highlights the extreme idiocy of Brexit! We just put up massive barriers to our biggest source of imported goods and now we are free to negotiate trade agreements with places much further away, doh!

Looks like they have had a deficit since the late 90s. But seems U.K trade tanked since leaving. trade balance for 2022 was $-106.79B, a 176.91% increase from 2021. U.K. trade balance for 2021 was $-38.56B, a 498.05% decline from 2020. U.K. trade balance for 2020 was $9.69B, a 121% decline from 2019. U.K. trade balance for 2019 was $-46.14B, a 4.78% increase from 2018. If this was over free movement of people guess they couldn't separate. So what can be done now? New trade agreements with the EU now that time has passed? Also looks like China is now the largest exporter to the EU. With those prices it's hard to see a big shift.

 

[SandisLL]

Ok, that leads us to a different quandary. Economic growth is tied to population as it stands. The only way to get around that is to go to robots and AI to do much of the work. But that means that the less well-educated of society will be left jobless. So better education and training is the only solution to that. And then we'd have to support the rest through taxes in our high-wage economy. As far as robots go we are far behind in the UK compared to similar economies.

Robots are promoted also in India and China....don't see how robots might save U.K ....
AI and other stuff like specialised programs reduces number of jobs in....offices...so called skilled jobs....
Translation software ( I mean pro and paid versions ) already dramatically reduced number of translators employed in offices....additionally remaining staff mainly should be high level correctors and specialised on exact sub field .... like this. Add here remote work options and short term contractors.....
Accountancy companies....etc.

Dishwashers : nothing much had changed during last 25 years.

Internet banking systems allowed to reduce number of banks branches offices and employees working in these...

 

[machidafan99]

I thought Nigel Farage was right but this is a great song.

 

[fungi]

Plan!!???

UK had no leverage and went into negotiations with a hope and a dream.
Brexit meant getting buttfucked hardcore with a side of Yorkshire pudding.

Just read my previous posts itt.

 

[curryjunkie]

It's no was near as simple as that.

First of all, we are demonstrably less likely to join TTIP due to Brexit.

The end of the transatlantic trade consensus?

Trump, Brexit and European scepticism about TTIP spell the end of transatlantic leadership on trade.

www.cer.org.uk

Secondly, the kitchen analogy is flawed because everyone in the UK is affected by Brexit, not just idiotic leave voters like me. Left wing politics in the UK can basically be summed up with the sentiment: Why don't all these dumb fucks vote the way I want them to?

If the left keep on failing to grasp this very basic reality of politics they will continue to lose. Ask yourself this, if the referendum was run again would remainers really conduct the campaign in the same way?

Maybe remainers thought

Looks like they have had a deficit since the late 90s. But seems U.K trade tanked since leaving. trade balance for 2022 was $-106.79B, a 176.91% increase from 2021. U.K. trade balance for 2021 was $-38.56B, a 498.05% decline from 2020. U.K. trade balance for 2020 was $9.69B, a 121% decline from 2019. U.K. trade balance for 2019 was $-46.14B, a 4.78% increase from 2018. If this was over free movement of people guess they couldn't separate. So what can be done now? New trade agreements with the EU now that time has passed? Also looks like China is now the largest exporter to the EU. With those prices it's hard to see a big shift.

Foreign investment has also fallen off a cliff since Brexit, Tories had to pay massive bribes to Nissan to keep making cars in the UK, Nissan will fuck off abroad as soon as the agreement ends, the boss of Nissan UK sent letters to all employees setting out why leaving was a terrible idea, but the town voted heavily for Brexit anyway, you can't fix stupid.

 

[Cajun]

Maybe remainers thought

Foreign investment has also fallen off a cliff since Brexit, Tories had to pay massive bribes to Nissan to keep making cars in the UK, Nissan will fuck off abroad as soon as the agreement ends, the boss of Nissan UK sent letters to all employees setting out why leaving was a terrible idea, but the town voted heavily for Brexit anyway, you can't fix stupid.

So the agreement is through the EU? Brutal. Its a Japanese company so I guess the negotiation is there now.

 

[panamaican]

Maybe remainers thought

Foreign investment has also fallen off a cliff since Brexit, Tories had to pay massive bribes to Nissan to keep making cars in the UK, Nissan will fuck off abroad as soon as the agreement ends, the boss of Nissan UK sent letters to all employees setting out why leaving was a terrible idea, but the town voted heavily for Brexit anyway, you can't fix stupid.

I don't know how the Leave crowd didn't puzzle that one out. If the free flow of goods stops in one country but continues in all of the others then it doesn't make sense to continue producing goods where the free flow stopped. Move production to where free flow continues. It's cheaper for everyone involved.

But I guess the populism rhetoric was always going to win out over complex economic concepts.

 

[Sinister]

I don't know how the Leave crowd didn't puzzle that one out. If the free flow of goods stops in one country but continues in all of the others then it doesn't make sense to continue producing goods where the free flow stopped. Move production to where free flow continues. It's cheaper for everyone involved.

But I guess the populism rhetoric was always going to win out over complex economic concepts.

People buy into isolationism when you stoke their xenophobia.

 

[SandisLL]

I don't know how the Leave crowd didn't puzzle that one out. If the free flow of goods stops in one country but continues in all of the others then it doesn't make sense to continue producing goods where the free flow stopped. Move production to where free flow continues. It's cheaper for everyone involved.

But I guess the populism rhetoric was always going to win out over complex economic concepts.

This.
More than 85% from bearings used in uranium enrichment centrifuges and more than 90 % litography machinery in all world is EU countries product...
It is fun. And number of immigrants had increased not reduced....in U.K after Brexit. Mortgage prices increased, rent prices too.

 

[shinkyoku]

 

[curryjunkie]

So the agreement is through the EU? Brutal. Its a Japanese company so I guess the negotiation is there now.

The agreement is not through the eu, but hold ups in supply chain and tarrifs on export to eu countries make UK cars expensive compared to those made in Europe now

 

[Cajun]

The agreement is not through the eu, but hold ups in supply chain and tarrifs on export to eu countries make UK cars expensive compared to those made in Europe now

Yeah, I thought after posting the possible difficulty exporting them from the UK and the UK itself being too small of a revenue stream itself to support the plant.