International Brexit Discussion v8: Theresa May's Final Hours

[Arkain2K]

Brexit Discussion, Part 8: Theresa May's Final Hours

• UK PM Theresa May announces resignation amid fury over Brexit handling (May 24, 2019)
• May’s final effort to win backing falls flat as MPs reject ‘new' deal (May 23, 2019)
• UK government seeks Brexit compromise after election fiasco (May 4, 2019)
• English and Northern Ireland election live updates (May 3, 2019)
  
• EU leaders, UK agree to extend Brexit deadline until the end of October (April 10, 2019)
• MPs rejected all four different Brexit options (April 1, 2019)
  
• Brexit: No majority for any options after MPs' votes (March 27, 2018)
  
• EU offers Brexit delay until April 12, extendable to May 22 if deal passes in Parliament (March 21, 2019)
• Brexit: Theresa May to formally ask for delay (March 20, 2019)
• John Bercow said Theresa May will not be allowed to bring forward a third similar vote on her deal (March 18, 2019)
• Britain's Parliament votes to delay Brexit by 412 to 202 (March 14, 2019)

Brexit Discussion, Part 7: The Self-Sabotage

• Britain's Parliament formally votes to reject a no-deal Brexit (March 13, 2919)
• Theresa May's deal suffers another huge defeat (March 12, 2019)
• Can U.K.’s Labour Party Survive Brexit? (March 11, 2019)
• Brexit: Theresa May's deal is voted down in historic Commons defeat (Jan 15, 2019)
  
• Parliament will hold a vote on the Brexit deal in the week of Jan. 14 (Dec 17, 2018)
  
• EU to Consider Legal Lifeline to Help May Sell Her Brexit Deal (Dec 13, 2018)
• Parliament won't vote on Theresa May's Brexit deal until 2019 (Dec 13, 2018)
  
• How EU Surprised Capitals and Helped May Cross the Brexit Line (Nov 22, 2018)
  
• EU leaders call for Nov 25 Brexit Summit (Nov 14, 2018)
  
• British PM Theresa May is fighting for her political life as a growing revolt within her party threatens to kill her Brexit deal (Nov 14, 2018)
  
• Britain and EU have agreed a text on how to avoid a hard Irish border after Brexit (Nov 13, 2018)
  
• British financial services companies will get continued access to EU markets after Brexit, the Times of London reports (Oct 31, 2018)
  
• Britain and the EU are "not far from an agreement" on the Irish border and a Brexit deal is expected by November 21, Dominic Raab says (Oct 31, 2018)
  
• Scottish judges have asked the European Union’s highest court whether the Brexit process can be reversed (Sept 21, 2018)
  
• May’s Precarious Position Makes Europe Wary of Rejecting Brexit Plan Outright (July 12, 2018)
  
• Finance Industry Slams U.K.'s Plan for Trading Ties With EU (July 12, 2018)
  
• President Trump says Theresa May's proposed Brexit plan will probably kill UK-US trade deal (July 12, 2018)
• Why Britain Is Headed for a ‘Soft’ Brexit (July 12, 2018)
  
• Theresa May has unveiled her blueprint for a soft Brexit (July 12, 2018)
  
• LIVE: Theresa May addresses Parliament over Boris Johnson's resignation and Brexit (July 9, 2018)
• Brexit Secretary David Davis resigns (July 8, 2018)
• Theresa May agrees to a 'time limited' Brexit backstop after David Davis threatens to resign (June 7, 2018)
• House of Lords votes against Theresa May's key Brexit legislation for the tenth time (May 3, 2018)
• Brexit bill could exceed Britain's £39 billion (€44 billion) estimate, government auditor warns (April 19, 2018)
• Most people in Britain support the idea of holding a vote on any final Brexit deal, poll suggests (April 8, 2018)
• The UK and EU agree terms for Brexit transition period (March 19, 2018)
  
• Britain can still have a "bespoke" Brexit trade deal but it must give ground, Italian minister says (Feb 21, 2018)
  
• Germany calls for E.U's finances overhaul, as Brexit about to create a €140-billion hole (Feb 21, 2018)
  
• EU has an idea to help plug its post-Brexit budget hole: grabbing billions from carbon auctions (Feb 17, 2018)
  
• May wants total alignment with EU data rules after Brexit (Feb 17, 2018)
  
• Spy chiefs from Britain, France and Germany say Brexit won't divide them (Feb 16, 2018)
  
• Merkel Says It's Not Cherry-Picking to Want Unique Brexit Deal (February 16, 2018)

Brexit Discussion, Part 6: The Divorce Begins

Brexit Discussion, Part 5: The In-Fighting

Brexit Discussion, Part 4: The Back-Pedaling

Brexit Discussion, Part 3: The World's Reaction to Brexit

Brexit Discussion, Part 2: The Day After The Vote

Brexit Discussion, Part 1: Counting Down to the Referendum

 

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[Rvd Slmr]

That was their faulty bluff all along, thinking it's the UE that would be terrified by a no deal and would have the most to lose. This has to be one of the worst negotiation strategy in the history of international treaties.

 

[JDragon]

That was their faulty bluff all along, thinking it's the UE that would be terrified by a no deal and would have the most to lose. This has to be one of the worst negotiation strategy in the history of international treaties.

It is the direct result of delusions of grandeur, which again are the result of the UK not completely being satisfied with the fact that the days of the Empire are long, long gone.

The UK is important for the EU, and the EU will be weaker without it.

That said, there was never going to be parity, nor was e.g. Germany gonna give its position within Europe up just to sell a couple cars to the UK. This was a gross misconception, but tbh, nobody can seriously have believed that. Everyone I know has always been shaking their heads in disbelief over this approach.

 

[JDragon]

Really gonna be interesting how this is gonna play out. There still is lots of disturbance potential regarding the extension (e.g. Italy following Farage's request and not agreeing to extend, blackmail potential on Spain's behalf, etc.). Also, hard brexit proponents are faced with the possibility of revocation as ultima ratio, something May has not threatened with but if I were her, I would put the instrument on the table.

 

[Billy no mates]

Really gonna be interesting how this is gonna play out. There still is lots of disturbance potential regarding the extension (e.g. Italy following Farage's request and not agreeing to extend, blackmail potential on Spain's behalf, etc.). Also, hard brexit proponents are faced with the possibility of revocation as ultima ratio, something May has not threatened with but if I were her, I would put the instrument on the table.

A lot depends on Bercow in his role as speaker of the house he should be stopping the government trying to grind Parliament down by continually repreposing deals the house has already rejected multiple times , there are precedents to deal with those sorts of shenanigans he needs to stick to them .

 

[Gl0kta]

It's worth remembering that the current mess is the easy bit - triggering brexit. Once the UK is out the real challenge of implementing it begins, running for the next 5-10 years.

 

[JDragon]

It's worth remembering that the current mess is the easy bit - triggering brexit. Once the UK is out the real challenge of implementing it begins, running for the next 5-10 years.

Actually negotiations with the EU will be the difficult part. This is only setting the stage.

 

[Arkain2K]

Do you guys remember v1 of this thread, when the talk of town was the U.K vs. E.U, not the U.K repeatedly beating itself up Fight Club style while the shocked and confused E.U watches with their mouth dropped wide open?

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

 

[FIMN]

Do you guys remember v1 of this thread, when the talk of town was the U.K vs. E.U, not the U.K repeatedly beating itself up Fight Club style while the shocked and confused E.U watches with their mouth dropped wide open?

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

The enemies are the uninformed (and unwilling to be informed) public.

They need politically quarantining for the next 3 years while this all gets resolved.

 

[JDragon]

Do you guys remember v1 of this thread, when the talk of town was the U.K vs. E.U, not the U.K repeatedly beating itself up Fight Club style while the shocked and confused E.U watches with their mouth dropped wide open?

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

I would add the ERG.

 

[Gl0kta]

Do you guys remember v1 of this thread, when the talk of town was the U.K vs. E.U, not the U.K repeatedly beating itself up Fight Club style while the shocked and confused E.U watches with their mouth dropped wide open?

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

The basic issue with brexit is that a strong government is needed to deliver it, but a strong government would never allow it.

Hence it happening is by default going to be a big mess.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Do you guys remember v1 of this thread, when the talk of town was the U.K vs. E.U, not the U.K repeatedly beating itself up Fight Club style while the shocked and confused E.U watches with their mouth dropped wide open?

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

yeah that was when all the pro brexit goons were talking in slogans thinking Brexit would lead to the UK becoming the land of milk and honey, everyone would get their own unicorn and a blowjob from the movie star of their choice.

Then reality set in and they fucked off and left the most inept Tory party in history to "negotiate" a deal. This shitshow is due to the brexiteers(corbyn included). But mostly due to the Tories and their red lines that limited any kind of deal we couldve had.

 

[Rvd Slmr]

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

Labour doesn't have the majority. Corbyn's strategy is a disaster, but he still can't single-handedly derail May's negotiations, it's a far bigger mess than that.

 

[Gl0kta]

Labour doesn't have the majority. Corbyn's strategy is a disaster, but he still can't single-handedly derail May's negotiations, it's a far bigger mess than that.

The biggest mess would be a no deal brexit followed by an immediate general election with Labour winning..... the horror.

 

[Phlog]

That was their faulty bluff all along, thinking it's the UE that would be terrified by a no deal and would have the most to lose. This has to be one of the worst negotiation strategy in the history of international treaties.

I kind of suspect that it was the civil services/May's plan all along to let it play out ineptly. Everyone sensible knows that being in euroupe is better for the people after all.

It is the direct result of delusions of grandeur, which again are the result of the UK not completely being satisfied with the fact that the days of the Empire are long, long gone.

The UK is important for the EU, and the EU will be weaker without it.

That said, there was never going to be parity, nor was e.g. Germany gonna give its position within Europe up just to sell a couple cars to the UK. This was a gross misconception, but tbh, nobody can seriously have believed that. Everyone I know has always been shaking their heads in disbelief over this approach.

Not so sure re the delusions of grandeur, as other countries have had similar grumblings. A nationalist bill of goods is usually easily sold.

The UK has a much better deal than anyone else in the EU already, it wasn't based on inequity, it wasn't a movement based on any rational basis but an emotional one.

Do you guys remember v1 of this thread, when the talk of town was the U.K vs. E.U, not the U.K repeatedly beating itself up Fight Club style while the shocked and confused E.U watches with their mouth dropped wide open?

With compatriots like Corbyn and Labour sabotaging the negotiation process, who the fuck needs enemies.

Corbyn has believed that Europe is a capitalist entity that prevents Britain from going full socialist. That's been his, and the harder lefts position forever. They saw this whole process as a chance for both the Tory's to give up power for a generation by splitting their party and for Britain to increase its sovereignty whilst limiting the control of international finance and businesses on our political system.

He has been pretty continuous in his efforts and isn't in the pocket of some big business interests and that is about the most you can ask of a politician whether you agree with them or not.

For the record, I do not, but I respect their position and efforts.

The basic issue with brexit is that a strong government is needed to deliver it, but a strong government would never allow it.

Hence it happening is by default going to be a big mess.

Solid summation.

 

[JDragon]

Not so sure re the delusions of grandeur, as other countries have had similar grumblings.

These just don't leave the EU