Media Bragging Rights: Whittaker vs de Ridder - Who wins and how?

Who wins and how?


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Hoping for RDR to win, but slightly leaning towards Whittaker being able to mostly keep it on the feet and outpoint him to a decision win.

Not convinced Rdr is on the level of Dricus, Khamzat, or prime Izzy just yet.
 
Young hungry lion meets old lion, tale as old as time.
 
Rob debuted in 2009. He is only 34, But that is a pretty old 34 in terms of the amount of camps and fights/mileage. RDR has a pretty deep tool box of skills, time/momentum are definately in his favor. I'll say RDR by dec in a close and interesting fight.
 
Maybe I'm not ready to admit Knuckles is beyond his prime, and maybe I think part of RDR's hype is that his striking only looked so good because Bo's striking is so horrifically bad.

Good fight, two good fighters, Bobby knuckles by decision by being better on the feet and good enough to defend the grappling. I don't consider RDR to be a Khamzat level takedown threat.

One of the fights though where I like both guys and I'll be happy with whatever outcome.
 
RDR gonna fuck him up.

People let their emotions get the best of them with Rob.

Rob is on the backslide. RDR is in his prime.

People want so badly to pretend like Rob is still the guy who won the strap ... 8 years ago. Let that sink in a minute.

I'm rooting for RDR but picking Rob.
 
This fight I would look at as pretty much the perfect gambling opportunity.


Personally I view gambling as a suckers endeavor. Them casinos and businesses ain't raking in millions/billions by paying out more than they take in.

The one exception is when the line is wrong

Why would the line be wrong?

Because the betting public is letting their emotions get the better of their logic and picking a guy who peaked 10 years ago vs a guy hitting stride right now. Picking who they WANT to win.



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The betting sites/casinos make money regardless because of how they set the lines.

But Reindeer has been notoriously underrated since he arrived in the UFC. He was +275 or so against fucking Bo Nickal. The betting public are largely retarded. Betting on MMA is probably one of the easiest sports to bet on for hardcores though, people who actually watch every event and are familiar with fighters.
 
This fight I would look at as pretty much the perfect gambling opportunity.


Personally I view gambling as a suckers endeavor. Them casinos and businesses ain't raking in millions/billions by paying out more than they take in.

The one exception is when the line is wrong

Why would the line be wrong?

Because the betting public is letting their emotions get the better of their logic and picking a guy who peaked 10 years ago vs a guy hitting stride right now. Picking who they WANT to win.



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Yea RDR as an underdog makes no sense but it didn't make sense against Bo either. He's getting DDP'd where he's a permanent dog, good for casual bettors though.
I've got RDR winning before championship rounds.
 
The betting sites/casinos make money regardless because of how they set the lines.

But Reindeer has been notoriously underrated since he arrived in the UFC. He was +275 or so against fucking Bo Nickal. The betting public are largely retarded. Betting on MMA is probably one of the easiest sports to bet on for hardcores though, people who actually watch every event and are familiar with fighters.
This particular fight you have a significant imbalance of fame/popularity which feeds a betting line that doesn't represent the real story.

MMA casuals are notoriously behind the times.
They won't know who RDR is until he is fighting for the belt.
 
I think RDR has plenty of ways to win this and I hope he does. I'm a fan. That said, I'm picking Rob.

I feel like maybe there's been a bit of an over-correction here, on two fronts:

1.) Rob's record lately hasn't looked so hot. Ever since Izzy 1, he's basically been trading wins and losses. The narrative is easy to build that he's in the twilight of his career, washed, or otherwise on the way out. But those losses have been to absolutely elite guys. Adesanya, Dricus, and now Khamzat. Every time he took a step down in competition to play gatekeeper against the likes of Cannonier, Gastelum, Vettori, Costa, Aliskerov, etc. he looked good. He might have a moment of danger where he got clipped in some of those bouts, but for the most part he outclassed those opponents and showed them levels. RDR is yet another step down in competition. He had a good run in ONE, but a lot of those opponents he beat over there likely wouldn't even rate the Top 30 in the UFC. GM3 and Holland are decent names, but perennial fringe Top 15 gatekeepers who have never managed to put together any sort of sustained success. Bo remains a totally unproven prospect. Ask yourself what Whittaker would do against any of those same guys. Meanwhile, do you see RDR winning the belt? Beating Khamzat or DDP? I don't. I'm not even sure if I would pick him against a prime Izzy, though I probably would.

2.) People saw Rob get taken down and submitted by Khamzat. Before that, he got outgrappled by Dricus. This has led to people saying that his ground game is trash or stuff like "Rob's elite TDD was always a myth because he stuffed Romero a few times!!!" I think maybe there's a kernel of truth to this insofar as fight fans -- myself included -- sometimes made the mistake of talking about Whittaker like he was a Middleweight Jose Aldo. That being said, Khamzat is arguably the best primary wrestler in the UFC right now and has an oppressive top game that managed to capitalize on Whittaker's injury (still a legit win). DDP is a well-rounded champion who has surpassed all expectations. Both men are freak athletes with explosive takedown entries and a good ability to win scrambles. Rob getting outgrappled by these two studs has made people forget, I think, that he's typically pretty good at keeping that from happening to him. Vettori, Gastelum, Romero, Jacare, and Brunson all failed to impose their grappling on him over the years. Aliskerov... never even got the chance to try.

I think it's important to remember that RDR is not a guy who shoots explosive blast doubles to bowl over his opponent. He isn't all that great of an athlete. He's a dude who plods into the pocket and reaches down for a lazy single leg... or forces the clinch to use his Judo. Even with RDR's advantage in size, I don't think that approach will play well with Rob. I expect his athleticism advantage to really show in stuffing the takedowns outright or at least allowing him to scramble out of some bad positions. Not to mention his ability to control distance and punish lazy entries with footwork, straight shots, and check hooks. RDR is slow, stiff, and robotic on the feet. If we're being honest, de Ridder is incredibly hittable and I think Whittaker will capitalize on that at range while sticking-and-moving. RDR's chances improve immensely if he's able to first hurt Rob in the pocket or in the clinch with a strike before forcing a grappling exchange, but I just don't see it happening more often than not. I think Rob picks him apart to a late TKO or a Decision win... but again, RDR is live and I'll be rooting for him regardless.
 
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This particular fight you have a significant imbalance of fame/popularity which feeds a betting line that doesn't represent the real story.

MMA casuals are notoriously behind the times.
They won't know who RDR is until he is fighting for the belt.
Yeah, casuals are usually behind or go off name value. Like for instance, Merab was +275 against Umar. If you know MMA, you probably know Merab shouldn't be a 3 to 1 dog against any BW on the planet and that line was wonky. A lot of times the oddsmakers get the lines right, but sometimes you'll see a line that just looks way off.

I've bet on Reindeer his first 3 fights, but Rob is a pretty big step up from GM3 and Bo Nickal. I'm not even going to touch this fight. I'm probably jinxing my own bets here but I see more value in Bryce Mitchell against Said than I do Reindeer against Rob.
 
RDR probably takes this. Rob has underestimated both Khamzat and DDP in his dogged pursuit of another title shot, I expect him to do the same here. Usually when a fighter starts admitting they overlook opponents and "this time it's serious" the ship has sailed
 
Since the fight was announced I’ve been thinking Whittaker but he looks pretty small compared to RDR which has me rethinking things.
 
I think RDR has plenty of ways to win this and I hope he does. I'm a fan. That said, I'm picking Rob.

I feel like maybe there's been a bit of an over-correction here, on two fronts:

Every time he took a step down in competition to play gatekeeper against the likes of Cannonier, Gastelum, Vettori, Costa, Aliskerov, etc. he looked good. He might have a moment of danger where he got clipped in some of those bouts, but for the most part he outclassed those opponents and showed them levels. RDR is another step down in competition.

I think Rob picks him apart to a 4th round TKO or a Decision win... but again, RDR is live and I'll be rooting for him regardless.
Excellent (and long) post.

I see it in a similar way, for the sake of the division I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.
 
RDR gonna fuck him up.

People let their emotions get the best of them with Rob.

Rob is on the backslide. RDR is in his prime.

People want so badly to pretend like Rob is still the guy who won the strap ... 8 years ago. Let that sink in a minute.
Not to mention he had his jaw crushed less than a year ago…
 
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people here pick the guy who was their fave a decade ago and then act all shocked that he actually lost, like somehow aging doesn't exist in MMA like literally every other sport.

I've said this before a few times on here, but you're right, it really does seem to be an MMA thing.

I've been a boxing fan and MMA fan both for years, it's something you don't see in boxing, boxing fans generally recognise when a guy is past prime or shot very quickly.

But in MMA it's nuts, you're right, most MMA fans simply do not see it. You see it all the time, MMA fans talking about borderline shot fighters as if they're still prime, still picking them to win fights etc.
 
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