Boxing is dead

BlazeHart said:
I love how everyone uses Mercer>Sylvia as a way to say boxing is better, when it clearly isn't.

There's a reason only a select few boxing fights could sell out arena's now, and ALMOST every UFC, WEC, Strikeforce and Dream event gets packed arena's. When you watch boxing now, they are all in super small venues like college basketball stadiums and casino's, it's funny. The only exceptions are when Pacman or Mayweather fight, or for the super six 'classic'.

Even James Toney said it, and he hates MMA.
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Tell that to Mexico, Europe, Japan, Germany etc.........or do u think sports only happen in America?
 
Sharkhunter said:
Tell that to Mexico, Europe, Japan, Germany etc.........or do u think sports only happen in America?
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MMA is huge in Europe. And Japan was the center of the MMA world forever until Zuffa bought Pride. Japanese MMA is still alive and kicking due to Dream, Sengoku, DEEP and Shooto however.

As for Mexico, all they do is box..
 
That's what I thought.

Now I'm off to enjoy some Inside MMA on HDNet, then enjoying some hockey will I wait for the K-1 GP live from Korea at 2am.. have fun with your boxing or whatever..

Bye Bye.
 
BlazeHart said:
MMA is huge in Europe. And Japan was the center of the MMA world forever until Zuffa bought Pride. Japanese MMA is still alive and kicking due to Dream, Sengoku, DEEP and Shooto however.

As for Mexico, all they do is box..
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LOL MMA is huge in Europe? Did you ever step a foot in europe?
 
BlazeHart said:
MMA is huge in Europe. And Japan was the center of the MMA world forever until Zuffa bought Pride. Japanese MMA is still alive and kicking due to Dream, Sengoku, DEEP and Shooto however.

As for Mexico, all they do is box..
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DREAM is dying and only gets primetime TV slots when they can cling to Kameda's coattails. :icon_conf
 
mrpopenfresh said:
Yeah, there's no John Fitch in boxing.
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LMAO...Thats right, they are much much more boring. How many boxing matches have gone to decision in the last 5 years? Get a grip.

Boxing has done itself in...it is a great sport, but the promoters and the fighters and all of the weight classes and 7 belts per weight class and no one fighting anyone that is a threat...and so on and so on, has killed the sport.
 
MMA is not a perfect sport either. Today there is a handful of orgs, mostly in the US and Japan, that all have their rosters of fighters. They hardly ever cross promote, and when it does happen, you see alot of problems flaring up (M-1, Strikeforce for example). And talking about promoters, You think Dana and Finklestein are the best for the growth of the sport? If MMA keeps growing as it does, they would pretty much need more weight classes to showcase all the talents. Remember when the 155 division came in? That was a revelation. Now 145 and 135 are shooting up in popularity, and they were nowhere to be seen a couple years back. The more the talent pool grows, the less you can adopt the UFC model of 5 champions to rule them all.

No doubt about it, the next, inevitable step in MMA's evolution is comparable to the state of boxing.
 
Has anyone noticed in passing that MMA and boxing for the most part cater to different fans? ESPN did a survey, and found that something like only 10% will watch only one or the other.

Thinking MMA and boxing are competing in a zero-sum game is like thinking the NFL is going to drive the NBA or MLB out of business ... sports fans tend to watch more than one sport.

I suspect the best thing for both MMA and boxing is for both to do well, as similar niche sports (and boxing and MMA are definitely niche sports compared to football, soccer, basketball, baseball, hockey, NASCAR and so on) tend to make each other stronger, not weaker. Every time someone who's never watched any combat sports gets interested in one of them, they're likely to get interested at least a bit in the other. Strong boxing is good for MMA, strong MMA is good for boxing.

Boxing's decline came long before MMA got going, and was self-inflicted (PPV's instead of Saturday Night Fights, way too many weight divisions and organizations ... there are 68 champs in just the major organizations, who can keep track of that?). If anything, MMA has resurrected a bit of interest in boxing (and judo and wrestling as well ... both have got a lot more young folks taking part since MMA started).
 
BlazeHart said:
The way boxing pays it's fighters is ridiculous.. getting millions and millions of dollars for 36 minutes of punching somebody? NOBODY deserves that kind of money. C'mon, man.. and people wonder why there are so many starving people out there.

The only reason boxing has a better social acceptance and more money within the sport is due to the fact that it's been around a hell of a lot longer.
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Jesus, ppl like you (who complain about athlete's salaries) need to take a fuckin business class.

When a person (Klitschko) can sell out fucking Soccer Stadiums in Germany single handedly, then he fuckin deserves to get paid multi-millions.

Or would you rather that a heavyweight champion get paid only $40,000 and also work as an engineer to make ends meet?
 
BlazeHart said:
I wonder why 'big' PPV boxing fights air on ESPN for free like 3 days after it happens? :icon_chee
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I wonder why 'big' PPV UFC fights air in Mexico for free live as the event unfolds? :icon_neut
 
Can't wait for Marquez/Katsidis.

BlazeHart said:
I wonder why 'big' PPV boxing fights air on ESPN for free like 3 days after it happens? :icon_chee
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They air on HBO like a week later, and that's HBO's strategy to try to get more subscribers.

People can either pay the $60 or whatever it is for the live PPV (which HBO gets a big share of the money) or they can pay to subscribe to HBO and see the fight a week later. Either way HBO makes money.
 
BlazeHart said:
The second MMA is legalized in New York (Which it should be), MSG will be sold out insanely quickly.

Wait till they sell out the Rogers Centre in Toronto in 2011 (50,000+ seats)
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Anything sells out here in MSG because 90% of audience arent native NYers, unless its a local show
 
This thread went 100 posts because BlazeHart posted a very unpopular opinion.

If I went to the heavys and said OMGZZZ BOXING > MMA it would be 20 pages too, except we have plenty of those already

I dont really like to watch boxing, k-1 or mma, only a select few fighters in the 3 of the sports (Masato, Floyd, CroCop,etc)

and Blazehart you are outnumbered here, I'd GTFO
 
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