BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[Junior Skilo]

I have known Balto for like 5 years and didn't know he was CCW fwiw.

But some of his team mates do? How close to him are you?

 

[anaconda]

Some one addressed this earlier its some college organistion, Omega Phi Psi:

Somehow, this makes it worse lol.

 

[devnull]

also LOL @ using a Glock for concealed carry

LOl @ your lack of knowledge of guns, your comment is ridiculous. Do you even know what a Glock Is? Do you they make different versions of it for conceal carry? Do you know how to fire a weapon or used one? People like you anger the gun community because you have no idea wtf you are talking about.

Glocks are one of the most resilient weapons you can carry around, the fact that you can drop them in dirt, water, mud, and they still fire without a hitch, battle tested my friend you should know what your talking about before you talk shit about guns.

 

[Balto]

But some of his team mates do? How close to him are you?

Pretty close, but I don't think he likes to shoot so we have never talked about it.

We have a very diverse gym. We don't all have exactly the same interests outside of BJJ. I thought that was pretty normal for a gym.

 

[anaconda]

Yeah I was kind of figuring I would just wait until a time at which I needed to be assured of your loyalty at a business meeting.

Seems reasonable.

 

[LLoydIrvinED]

LOl @ your lack of knowledge of guns, your comment is ridiculous. Do you even know what a Glock Is? Do you they make different versions of it for conceal carry? Do you know how to fire a weapon or used one? People like you anger the gun community because you have no idea wtf you are talking about.

Glocks are one of the most resilient weapons you can carry around, the fact that you can drop them in dirt, water, mud, and they still fire without a hitch, battle tested my friend you should know what your talking about before you talk shit about guns.

As much as I am a villager with a pitchfork, I agree. This is not worth criticizing lloyd.

 

[anaconda]

But some of his team mates do? How close to him are you?

I am his teammate...

 

[devnull]

As much as I am a villager with a pitchfork, I agree. This is not worth criticizing lloyd.

Oussss

 

[Steelviper]

I use a Glock 19.

Glocks are super popular, so based on pure numbers alone, it is probably the most commonly carried weapon.

+1. G19 ftw.

Or Springfield XD... or whatever else fits your hand.

 

[GiBurns]

As far as Lloyd's article in Forbes goes, it's just an ad. He bought ad space... that is how he got in Forbes. How sad...

 

[Junior Skilo]

Pretty close, but I don't think he likes to shoot so we have never talked about it.

We have a very diverse gym. We don't all have exactly the same interests outside of BJJ. I thought that was pretty normal for a gym.

Its very normal for a gym... But as both Nakapan and Lloyd are both Head instructors at academies which teach self-defence... i fail to see, why this would have never been talked about

 

[Balto]

Its very normal for a gym... But as both Nakapan and Lloyd are both Head instructors at academies which teach self-defence... i fail to see, why this would have never been talked about

You have a point. The information as given is not enough to be very convincing about the gun threat.

 

[AcesUp22]

I think he should be scrutinized. I am pretty sure he will be after all of this.

The difference between Nakapan and Lloyd is that Nakapan distanced himself, apologized, and appears to have made some changes at least in the short term. As such, people are giving him a chance to change.

When this first started, I said we should give Lloyd the same chance. But instead of doing what Nakapan did (recognizing the wrongs and taking action to fix them), he put out a non-apology apology letter, tried to cover that one up too, put out a "success" video with murals of himself drawn on his walls, doubled down on scams with the Real Players' Ball in Vegas, etc.

There is no inconsistency here. Nakapan did some shitty stuff and is trying to change. Lloyd did some shitty stuff and is trying to figure out new ways to do more shitty stuff before anyone else gets wise to those too.

All this talk about Nak being a former scammer too, Ryan being mean at tournaments, etc. -- it's just another straw man. None of these instructors are perfect. This stuff is not news to anyone familiar with the scene.

The key difference is that the other guys are spreading a positive message and trying to make positive changes. Lloyd is doubling down on his negative message and trying to screw over even more people. That is a pretty huge difference.

This. What is lost on all this is that Nakapan is actually a young guy. He was probably 28 or 29 when he got into Lloyds stuff. While 30 is not young in terms of your still allowed to light your farts on fire, but in the business world, it is still a person who is learning and making mistakes. I trained at Beta for awhile, I can tell you it is a very good product. In fact, I had no idea how good it was until I trained a couple other places where I encountered dirty puzzle mats and not so attentive instruction, among other things.

I expect Beta to do well in the future. According to the Mayor DC is adding 1,000 people a month, a lot of those folks are young and educated. In 5 years time this will probably just look like a bump in the road on the way to a successful operation.

 

[BizarroPutin]

LOl @ your lack of knowledge of guns, your comment is ridiculous. Do you even know what a Glock Is? Do you they make different versions of it for conceal carry? Do you know how to fire a weapon or used one? People like you anger the gun community because you have no idea wtf you are talking about.

Glocks are one of the most resilient weapons you can carry around, the fact that you can drop them in dirt, water, mud, and they still fire without a hitch, battle tested my friend you should know what your talking about before you talk shit about guns.

damn, that was harsh. is Glock a TLI sponsor now?

I've been shooting for over 20 years and have owned several handguns, starting when I turned 21. have shot more Glock models than I could count. I know they work great and are well built, I just don't like them for a number of reasons.

"anger the gun community" LOL are you an armourer now?

Edit: sorry, my original comment was blatant trolling. I'll stop talking about guns, even though it's likely that I have more experience with them than you dev

 

[Latecomer]

Some one addressed this earlier its some college organistion, Omega Phi Psi:

I can't think of many things that are more stupid than having the letter of your fraternity branded on your chest!

 

[ElKarlo]

I can't think of many things that are more stupid than having the letter of your fraternity branded on your chest!

I dislike frats in general. A waste of time and 9 times outa 10a gathering place for idiots

 

[BizarroPutin]

its a well-known fact that college fraternal organizations are stalwart defenders of human dignity and respect, who stick up for the weak, and would never encourage the mistreatment or disrespect of women

 

[ElKarlo]

its a well-known fact that college fraternal organizations are stalwart defenders of human dignity and respect, who stick up for the weak, and would never encourage the mistreatment or disrespect of women

I seriously wonder if Lloyd's cohorts in the rape were frat bros?

 

[illbert]

Lloyd "poached" like half of his key black belts from other academies and associations anyway, including Nakapan. I don't see how he could get all butthurt when they decide to leave him

ORLY?!

Black Belts
Todd Margolis - Pedro Sauer black belt who left on his own accord and joined TLI
Mike Moses - Yamasaki (brown belt when he left, I think) left on his own accord and joined TLI
Jared Weiner - Left Maxercise as either purple or brown and joined TLI on his own accord
Mike Fowler - I've heard that that early on he was Yamasaki but left either at white or blue belt
Jonathan Torres - RGDA brown belt who left because he wasn't getting competitive support from all but one person on his then team
Jim Harbison - RGDA purple belt who moved to Florida and became an ATT brown belt then was invited to Camp Springs by JT when he was thinking about moving back home.
DJ Jackson - Home-grown from white to black
Mike Easton - Home-grown from white to black
Nyjah Easton - Home-grown from white to black
Nakapan - Leo Dalla black belt under the same lineage as Lloyd. Lloyd didn't poach him, he just had a more competition-based team than Leo Dalla. Leo Dalla, Lloyd's master has even competed under the Lloyd Irvin banner a couple of times.


Brown Belts
Keenan Cornelius - Left BJ Penn's in Hawaii in search or harder competitive training as a purple belt on his own accord AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF HIS FATHER TOM CALLOS
Jordon Schultz, Alec Baulding and Daren Roberts - Had a falling out with Alliance head coach Jacare Cavalcanti as brown belts. Jordon contacted Lloyd on his own accord and Lloyd invited him to check the program out. Alec and Daren had their own academy in the Atlanta area and decided to align with TLI most likely through Jordon's recommendation

If you're too immature to understand that people at all belt levels leave their academies for various reasons all of the time then I don't know what to tell you. Sure, Lloyd does have an open door policy to serious competitors who want to join a highly competitive team but he didn't poach medal winners like a certain team in San Diego did to IBJJF medalists from Saulo's, Alliance and Gracie Barra. As of late he has become a "farm team" of sorts because people have left academies where they could have gotten what they needed but went to what looked like greener pastures. Poaching a competitor is when you target them and only them. If you wave a carrot and they come to you then it isnt poaching.

 

[Latecomer]

its a well-known fact that college fraternal organizations are stalwart defenders of human dignity and respect, who stick up for the weak, and would never encourage the mistreatment or disrespect of women

I think that's universally recognized, yes.