BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[Pizdek]

Regardless of what was said, who brought gun to the meeting, and who owes money to whom.... something is rotten in TLI.

 

[Junior Skilo]

Well, that really depends.

a) Nak might not really have known that Lloyd has a CCW.

b) Nak might have known but had never seen it since it's a *concealed* weapon that you're not allowed to expose in Maryland unless you're intending to use it to defend yourself. In which case he only assumed Lloyd had it with him. But that is obviously not the case since Lloyd already admitted to carrying it with him everywhere and jumped immediately on the defense with a Facebook post explaining that he has it with him at all times and "everyone" knows he has it, so Nak shouldn't have been surprised that it was present at their meeting.

c) Nak didn't know Lloyd had a CCW and Lloyd intentionally exposed it at the meeting.

d) Nak did know Lloyd had a CCW but had never actually seen it on Lloyd's person because it's illegal to expose your CCW. Therefore, Nak felt threatened that a gun was openly displayed by the man he was about to financially hurt.

All your posts have been about Beta Academy... you personally knew the GM who spoke up against Nakpan.. you reefer to Nakpan as Nak, so I assume you know him on a personal level to... you by any chance part of the Beta Academy team? LOL

 

[Balto]

Going through Nakapan statement in my head there are just to many inconstancies for me to think that he is telling the whole truth:


Nakpan said:

"Lloyd has attempted to intimidate me, even going so far as to bring a gun to a business meeting to encourage my silence and continued cooperation"


Lloyd said:

"I was able to get a concealed carry permit and do not leave my house with my glock!"


Now please fill me in on something you guys... Those of you who have a CCW Permit llike Balto... Are you guys packing most of the time?.. Do all of you close friends and family know you are CCW? I would think that would be the case

So they way I look at it Nakapan must of known through his close relationship with Lloyd, that Lloyd is always packing... So why then would Nakapan make out that Lloyd went out of his way, to carry a gun to a business meeting... for the sole purpose of intimating him?.. When Nakapan would have been in countless business meetings where Lloyd was packing?

That looks like a blatant twist of the truth

I can't carry most of the time because of the laws where I work, but outside of work I am usually carrying. I don't really mention it so not sure if everyone is aware. I guess most people who know me well would not be that surprised.

When you are carrying concealed, nobody really knows. I work with guys who are required by their job to carry concealed in a suit, and even knowing for a fact they are carrying I can't tell just by looking most of the time. So most people generally don't know unless you tell them specifically.

Nak would have to give more details about exactly what he meant. But it is plausible at least that Lloyd could have chosen to reveal his weapon at a very coincidental time at a business meeting (sort of like how he chose to make that Scarface quote at a very coincidental time too).

Open carry is not really allowed in Maryland, and all carry is banned in DC. I doubt Lloyd open carries regularly. So I would say it's at least plausible that Lloyd deciding to open carry or otherwise draw attention to his weapon during a meeting in which loyalty was required was meant to intimidate. I don't think it's plausible that Lloyd drew his weapon and pointed it at Nak's head.

Again, it can't really be said for sure without more detail, and even then it's probably his word against Lloyd's. It does seem to be a consistent pattern though given the allegations of similar types of intimidation coming from other former associates.

 

[j0ch1n]

Yes. I trained there up until about six months ago. I still live in DC and still keep in touch with friends I made there. I am biased. But the GM being a straight-up douche is common knowledge.

 

[Junior Skilo]

I just find it ridiculous to think that Lloyd would pull a gun on Nakapan and him not report it. Even if Nak was making Lloyd millions a year and wanted to leave why would a guy who is known millionaire with a lavish lifestyle risk losing his freedom when he dodged the prison bullet once already? Do people really believe Nakapan thought that Lloyd would shoot him or do him bodily harm if he didn't continue working with him?

It's not to say that people don't do stupid things that defy sense but the likelihood of those two events happening between two people who are at least in the proximity of average intelligence is miniscule IMO. Nakapan's story reads like a blatant lie and the funny thing is that people who don't like Lloyd for whatever reason are regarding it as the gospel truth. A grown ass man who has fought Muay Thai and BJJ on highly competitive levels is bullied by his team leader? Nakapan didn't even get his black belt from Lloyd, he got it from Leo Dalla, Lloyd's master.

If Nakapan wanted out he could have gotten out like he did a few weeks ago. Now that he's found a reason to leave he wants a business gimmick to make more money with. How the hell a software program can make enrolling in Martial Arts Schools "fun" is beyond me but let's see if he convinces enough idiots to waste their money on it to make back his "$150,000."

Totally agree bro!.. People are not scrutinising Nakapan anywhere near as thoroughly as we have been scrutinising Lloyd

 

[KBEvolve]

Aren't you a member of a Team Lloyd Irvin affiliate? Simple yes or no.

Yes I am, and I'm proud of that fact. I came up in a wonderful environment at Evolve Academy. Every day I feel blessed that I walked into that gym and decided to stay. It has changed my life for the better.

I've also had the opportunity to train with countless exceptional individuals not only at Evolve, but also at Crazy 88 and Camp Springs. Each of them have contributed to my growth, and often I've been inspired by their focus and dedication. TLI is a team in the truest sense, I love it, and I wear the patch proudly.

Now you asked that question for a specific reason. You believe that my team association discredits my personal experience. That's fine. You can believe what you want to believe, but I have no reason to lie.

In fact, Ryan's Jekyll and Hyde act saddens me. The first time I met him was when he did a seminar at Evolve not long after I started training. I was blown away by how clearly he articulated concepts and ideas. It spoke to me on a personal level because I learn most effectively when the focus is on concepts. After that, I kinda looked up to him.

Then several months after that I saw him at Grapplers Quest, and he was coaching his girlfriend in a match. She was losing, and I was shocked by his behavior. It was like a hero was shaming his own name right in front of me. Perhaps though, it could have been a anomaly. Maybe he was going through some stuff at that moment.

A few months after that, I ran into him at the Pan Ams. He walked passed me and greeted me, I turned around and responded then turned away, but apparently he didn't hear me. That's quite possible because I tend to speak softly, but he had so many ways to respond to that situation. He chose to get pissed off and make a nasty comment. Again, it's not a pattern yet. It still could be a anomaly.

Since then though, there have been many times when I've seen the mask slip. Often, it's been at tournaments when he's been coaching. It seems like he has a strong sense of how things should be, and when people don't do what he expects, he gets pissed.

The thing is that I really respect how Ryan thinks about BJJ and how he articulates it. Hell, I still use some of his analogies when I teach and I definitely use some of the technique. I just believe that he is completely incompatible with the moral high ground because he wears a mask, and when it slips, it's not pretty.

 

[illbert]

That's the quote from the letter Nakapan wrote. He never said Lloyd pulled a gun on him or pointed at him or waved it around. Like I said above, if Lloyd had it on his person and intentionally exposed it despite not being legally allowed to in Maryland (and not allowed to have it at all in DC), I agree that that would be an intimidation tactic. Especially considering Lloyd is a massive Scarface fan, threatened Melanie on Facebook, and showed us what I can only surmise is an Uzi from Scarface in his baller video.

First of all, that "success" video was stupid and counter-productive.

Secondly, I take it that you've never been to Miami because if you have you would know that Scarface memorabilia like that is sold everywhere. Finding framed replicas of the guns used in the movie and Tony's cigar that are fronted as real are as easy to find as oxygen.

I've been hearing about this alleged threat to Melanie but I haven't seen it yet so I'll do my research before I comment on that. Lloyd isn't beyond making bad moves online and his detractors aren't beyond making everything he does out to be sinister.

Lastly, exposing a concealed weapon when no threat is present is stupid but I'm not just going to take Nakapan's word that it happened. It's also a pretty stupid way to intimidate someone you know in absense of a threat since the gun would be registered to you. What was Lloyd possibly going to do, shoot an unarmed Nakapan, plant a weapon on him and make it look like he did it in self-defense? Possible but not plausible IMO. There's contextually stupid and then there's cartoonishly stupid. Lloyd may have done some dumb things in context but these accusations are off the wall given that the alleged victim is a grown man with enough of a personal support system.

 

[Junior Skilo]

I can't carry most of the time because of the laws where I work, but outside of work I am usually carrying. I don't really mention it so not sure if everyone is aware. I guess most people who know me well would not be that surprised.

When you are carrying concealed, nobody really knows. I work with guys who are required by their job to carry concealed in a suit, and even knowing for a fact they are carrying I can't tell just by looking most of the time. So most people generally don't know unless you tell them specifically.

Nak would have to give more details about exactly what he meant. But it is plausible at least that Lloyd could have chosen to reveal his weapon at a very coincidental time at a business meeting (sort of like how he chose to make that Scarface quote at a very coincidental time too).

Open carry is not really allowed in Maryland, and all carry is banned in DC. I doubt Lloyd open carries regularly. So I would say it's at least plausible that Lloyd deciding to open carry or otherwise draw attention to his weapon during a meeting in which loyalty was required was meant to intimidate. I don't think it's plausible that Lloyd drew his weapon and pointed it at Nak's head.

Again, it can't really be said for sure without more detail, and even then it's probably his word against Lloyd's. It does seem to be a consistent pattern though given the allegations of similar types of intimidation coming from other former associates.

You said this earlier in the thread:

Like half my team is CCW -- me included.

Balto you know who in your team is CCW... How can Nakapan not know that his friend, business partner and leader of his team is CCW?.. It just don't add up man!

 

[ElKarlo]

Totally agree bro!.. People are not scrutinising Nakapan anywhere near as thoroughly as we have been scrutinising Lloyd

Thatrs because Nak has been trying to change his ways and make up for what he's done.
Meanwhile Lloyd hasn't come up for a breath from the sewer

 

[Pizdek]

Hahahaha KBEvolve thats very nice... So Ryan Hall did not greet you properly and he is a bad person and Lloyd Irvin is a failed rapist by his own account (among other things... Im to lazy to type everything again) ... but he is a wonderfull person and you are proud member of his team... and you are Canadian... how is that even possible.

 

[Junior Skilo]

Yes. I trained there up until about six months ago. I still live in DC and still keep in touch with friends I made there. I am biased. But the GM being a straight-up douche is common knowledge.

Thanks for your honesty!

 

[j0ch1n]

Secondly, I take it that you've never been to Miami because if you have you would know that Scarface memorabilia like that is sold everywhere. Finding framed replicas of the guns used in the movie and Tony's cigar that are fronted as real are as easy to find as oxygen.

I've been hearing about this alleged threat to Melanie but I haven't seen it yet so I'll do my research before I comment on that. Lloyd isn't beyond making bad moves online and his detractors aren't beyond making everything he does out to be sinister.

Threat: http://imgur.com/2wy3Yyj

I also really like the Ninja Turtles but I haven't decorated my apartment in memorabilia. Everything he does makes him look like a child. Also, having a mural of yourself in your own house.... that's narcissism at its finest. You should really check out the Hare Psychopathy Checklist.

 

[Balto]

You said this earlier in the thread:



Balto you know who in your team is CCW... How can Nakapan not know that his friend, business partner and leader of his team is CCW?.. It just don't add up man!

Well one of our black belts is a firearms instructor, and some of his students are competitive shooters. So they talk about it a lot. Also a lot of guys at my gym like to shoot and talk about it after class.

Not all guys like to talk about it though, so those guys could be and I just don't know.

It's not like we pull it out in the gym.

 

[devnull]

Yes I am, and I'm proud of that fact. I came up in a wonderful environment at Evolve Academy. Every day I feel blessed that I walked into that gym and decided to stay. It has changed my life for the better.

I've also had the opportunity to train with countless exceptional individuals not only at Evolve, but also at Crazy 88 and Camp Springs. Each of them have contributed to my growth, and often I've been inspired by their focus and dedication. TLI is a team in the truest sense, I love it, and I wear the patch proudly.

Now you asked that question for a specific reason. You believe that my team association discredits my personal experience. That's fine. You can believe what you want to believe, but I have no reason to lie.

In fact, Ryan's Jekyll and Hyde act saddens me. The first time I met him was when he did a seminar at Evolve not long after I started training. I was blown away by how clearly he articulated concepts and ideas. It spoke to me on a personal level because I learn most effectively when the focus is on concepts. After that, I kinda looked up to him.

Then several months after that I saw him at Grapplers Quest, and he was coaching his girlfriend in a match. She was losing, and I was shocked by his behavior. It was like a hero was shaming his own name right in front of me. Perhaps though, it could have been a anomaly. Maybe he was going through some stuff at that moment.

A few months after that, I ran into him at the Pan Ams. He walked passed me and greeted me, I turned around and responded then turned away, but apparently he didn't hear me. That's quite possible because I tend to speak softly, but he had so many ways to respond to that situation. He chose to get pissed off and make a nasty comment. Again, it's not a pattern yet. It still could be a anomaly.

Since then though, there have been many times when I've seen the mask slip. Often, it's been at tournaments when he's been coaching. It seems like he has a strong sense of how things should be, and when people don't do what he expects, he gets pissed.

The thing is that I really respect how Ryan thinks about BJJ and how he articulates it. Hell, I still use some of his analogies when I teach and I definitely use some of the technique. I just believe that he is completely incompatible with the moral high ground because he wears a mask, and when it slips, it's not pretty.

Ryan Hall has a pattern of getting angry and being verbally abusive. Countless examples I can list that he has done. For one he had a seminar in Ireland where he was being bested by a purple belt then when he got the better position turned it on and then verbally demeaned the guy afterwards for "going hard on him" which caused many of people to leave the seminar.

He broke his GF's finger during practice, I have heard from people there it was done on purpose after several time he said, "If you do that again I"ll break your thumb, and proceeded to do so. The guy has his issues, deep rooted issues, if he comes on here and lies or disputes what I have said he will only prove to me that he is just a bold face liar because they are absolute true. The Ireland thing can be verified with Ireland's Darragh O Conail from the Kumite. The guy is fucking nuts and you guys are revering him like he is a saint. He is one of the biggest hypocrites I know and holds deep rooted grudges and anger issues at that.

 

[KBEvolve]

Hahahaha KBEvolve thats very nice... So Ryan Hall did not greet you properly and he is a bad person and Lloyd Irvin is a failed rapist by his own account (among other things... Im to lazy to type everything again) ... but he is a wonderfull person and you are proud member of his team... and you are Canadian... how is that even possible.

You know, I've heard great things about the benefits of reading comprehension. You might want to look into some classes.

 

[BizarroPutin]

Lloyd "poached" like half of his key black belts from other academies and associations anyway, including Nakapan. I don't see how he could get all butthurt when they decide to leave him

 

[devnull]

Hahahaha KBEvolve thats very nice... So Ryan Hall did not greet you properly and he is a bad person and Lloyd Irvin is a failed rapist by his own account (among other things... Im to lazy to type everything again) ... but he is a wonderfull person and you are proud member of his team... and you are Canadian... how is that even possible.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/79945061-post594.html

 

[devnull]

Lloyd "poached" like half of his key black belts from other academies and associations anyway, including Nakapan. I don't see how he could get all butthurt when they decide to leave him

Don't get me wrong, he is not "butthurt" as you say at all, he is just defending himself when they come out and lie about him as anyone would. Let them leave it just makes the team stronger.

 

[Pizdek]

you mean this hahaha?

 

[BizarroPutin]

Don't get me wrong, he is not "butthurt" as you say at all, he is just defending himself when they come out and lie about him as anyone would. Let them leave it just makes the team stronger.

yeah you're right, he can just lure in other legit BB's, tempting them with dreams of BET-style materialism, and re-brand them as Lloyd guys. and the circle of life continues