best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[Erratic]

EXCEPT

Stipe and JJ are NOT olympic caliber wrestlers while DC is

YET

they beat him in MMA because he could not use his superior wrestling to stop their strikes

# wrestling not best MMA base

# recon 101

# thread confirmed

You have to be trolling. There is simply no way you coached wrestling for 20 years, unless it's at the back of a McDonalds

 

[Erratic]

Jon beat DC because his wrestling kept it standing he also never tried to make the Olympics so well never know if he was Olympic caliber or not , same with stipe

Bingo

/Thread

 

[-guerilla-]

Jon beat DC because his wrestling kept it standing he also never tried to make the Olympics so well never know if he was Olympic caliber or not , same with stipe

If wrestling was the best base for MMA these great olympic caliber wrestlers wouldn't be beaten in MMA (by strikes)

Wrestling cant finish an opponant

Its only value is positional

Wrestling is a good base for MMA,
HOWEVER...
Its not the best base for MMA

 

[Erratic]

If wrestling was the best base for MMA these great olympic caliber wrestlers wouldn't be beaten in MMA (by strikes)

Wrestling cant finish an opponant

Its only value is positional

Wrestling is a good base for MMA,
HOWEVER...
Its not the best base for MMA

What IS the best base for mma then? Give us solid proof, you cant say shooto or something if there is literally no high level guys in the UFC doing it outside of 1 rare exception

 

[-guerilla-]

You have to be trolling. There is simply no way you coached wrestling for 20 years, unless it's at the back of a McDonalds

we don't have wrestling at fast food restaurants, we have it in the public school system where I have consistently coached for more than two decades in multiple states

You see...wrestling is america's only publicly funded combat sport that's why it dominate american MMA

if Brazilian jiu-jitsu was in all the tough public schools and wrestling was exclusively practiced in american strip malls for profit by people worried about liability above all things will look very different in american MMA

 

[Vincentsky]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

please name some of your fighters/ champions who you have trained according to your philosophy?

also couldn’t not find Louisville fight club online, I am looking for a good place to train, is there a link where I can see a schedule/ some gym reviews etc ?

thanks kindly

 

[-guerilla-]

What IS the best base for mma then? Give us solid proof, you cant say shooto or something if there is literally no high level guys in the UFC doing it outside of 1 rare exception

Shooto is the best base for MMA because SHOOTO IS MMA dumbass

IF WE HAD SHOOTO in americas public school system there wouldn't be any MMA champions with wrestling as their primary background

Shooto is treated like a martial art and its average participants weigh 120 lbs

Wrestling is Americans only publicly funded combat sport and is massively popular thruout the entire soviet bloc and Islamic countries

 

[Erratic]

please name some of your fighters/ champions who you have trained according to your philosophy?

also couldn’t not find Louisville fight club online, I am looking for a good place to train, is there a link where I can see a schedule/ some gym reviews etc ?

thanks kindly

He wont hes a liar that claims hes dominated for decades and has trained everything and has coa hed wrestling for 20 years

<Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

 

[Erratic]

Shooto is the best base for MMA because SHOOTO IS MMA dumbass

IF WE HAD SHOOTO in americas public school system there wouldn't be any MMA champions with wrestling as their primary background

Shooto is treated like a martial art and its average participants weigh 120 lbs

Wrestling is Americans only publicly funded combat sport and is massively popular thruout the entire soviet bloc and Islamic countries

I thought it was you that said "shooto" when I read this thread earlier.

Of course you avoided my question and didnt state the best base, while stating that wrestling is not the best base.. how can you say that so confidently when you cannot state something better with evidence.

You are good at blabbering on about things but its painfully obvious to me how often you dodge questions, but I'm glad you confirmed you don't teach wrestling at the back of McDonalds, I guess it must be Wendy's then? <Lmaoo>

 

[Vincentsky]

He wont hes a liar that claims hes dominated for decades and has trained everything and has coa hed wrestling for 20 years

<Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

I would really like to hear who his fighters and champions are.

a good coach doesn’t have theories and philosophies and argues online.

fighting is fighting and results are results no matter how much time you spend writing ego driven cultish ideologies.

Freddie roach produced champions in boxing his opinions are valid.

Mike Passenier producers champions in kickboxing.

Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov produces champions in Sambo and MMA

if this is guy is legit and claims to stand behind his name etc he should proudly post fighters / champions

 

[-guerilla-]

please name some of your fighters/ champions who you have trained according to your philosophy?

also couldn’t not find Louisville fight club online, I am looking for a good place to train, is there a link where I can see a schedule/ some gym reviews etc ?

thanks kindly

The Louisville fight club wasn't an academy it was a sparring club for athletes who wanted to get involved with MMA

it was destroyed about 12 years ago by the city managers who were worried about risk management after our television show and internet presence blew up

our pro team manager took our best athletes and created Louisville fight team, it still exists today

https://m.facebook.com/LOUISVILLE-MMA-FIGHT-TEAM-284985645007/

I started the Louisville fight club in 1993 when the UFC first aired...

we converted a kickboxing Club to MMA overnight

 

[-guerilla-]

I thought it was you that said "shooto" when I read this thread earlier.

Of course you avoided my question and didnt state the best base, while stating that wrestling is not the best base.. how can you say that so confidently when you cannot state something better with evidence.

You are good at blabbering on about things but its painfully obvious to me how often you dodge questions, but I'm glad you confirmed you don't teach wrestling at the back of McDonalds, I guess it must be Wendy's then? <Lmaoo>

Have somebody read the last reply to you

Shooto is the best base for mma bucause SHOOTO IS MMA dumbass

# cute cartoon

 

[Vincentsky]

The Louisville fight club wasn't an academy it was a sparring club for athletes who wanted to get involved with MMA

it was destroyed about 12 years ago by the city managers who were worried about risk management after our television show and internet presence blew up

our pro team manager took our best athletes and created Louisville fight team, it still exists today

https://m.facebook.com/LOUISVILLE-MMA-FIGHT-TEAM-284985645007/

I started the Louisville fight club in 1993 when the UFC first aired...

we converted a kickboxing Club to MMA overnight

Ok.
So who are some of your fighters and champions that you have trained in shooto as opposed to wrestling+BJj+Muay Thai ?

results speak louder then anything else when it comes to combat sports

 

[Erratic]

Have somebody read the last reply to you

Shooto is the best base for mma bucause SHOOTO IS MMA dumbass

# cute cartoon

Once again proving this thread is a giant steaming pile of doggy doo.. there has been a collective drop of around 9000 IQ points on Sherdog because of the creation of this thread, and that is really saying something glad you like my cute cartoon.

 

[-guerilla-]

I would really like to hear who his fighters and champions are.

a good coach doesn’t have theories and philosophies and argues online.

fighting is fighting and results are results no matter how much time you spend writing ego driven cultish ideologies.

Freddie roach produced champions in boxing his opinions are valid.

Mike Passenier producers champions in kickboxing.

Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov produces champions in Sambo and MMA

if this is guy is legit and claims to stand behind his name etc he should proudly post fighters / champions

The Louisville MMA Fight Club was one of the first MMA gyms in the United States and fielded Fighters for the sport in the dark days when MMA wasent a household name.

We fought in bars community centers bingo halls and parking lots in addition to major conference centers and areana

My accomplishments as a coach and an athlete are totally irrelevant

Some of the best boxing analysts in the world have neither participated in or coached sport of boxing

It has NOTHING TO DO with your expert opnion

Most time coaches are crap athletes and athletes are crap coaches and neither one are good at analytics

Our club won thousands of victories over the years and created multiple pro fighters

I will NEVER use an athletes name to defend my opnion

 

[-guerilla-]

Once again proving this thread is a giant steaming pile of doggy doo.. there has been a collective drop of around 9000 IQ points on Sherdog because of the creation of this thread, and that is really saying something glad you like my cute cartoon.

Did you catch that reply yet??

Shooto IS MMA

Thats why its the best base...

Not wrestling

Now post something about wrestling instead of a cartoon

...do you know anything about wrestling???

 

[Vincentsky]

The Louisville MMA Fight Club was one of the first MMA gyms in the United States and fielded Fighters for the sport in the dark days when MMA wasent a household name.

We fought in bars community centers bingo halls and parking lots in addition to major conference centers and areana

My accomplishments as a coach and an athlete are totally irrelevant

Some of the best boxing analysts in the world have neither participated in or coached sport of boxing

It has NOTHING TO DO with your expert opnion

Most time coaches are crap athletes and athletes are crap coaches and neither one are good at analytics

Our club won thousands of victories over the years and created multiple pro fighters

I will NEVER use an athletes name to defend my opnion

You are correct in saying that athletes make crap coaches in many cases.

however you are NOT taking a role as an analyst right now, you are talking specifically about training methodology.

In order to consider your self an expert on training methodology your accomplishments as a COACH are definitely very relevant.

In every combat sport there many different approaches to training, methods and techniques, the ones that are considered successful are solely based on the results of the athletes who use the specific training methods set by their coach.

You are stating theories in a place where those theories can be tested, and if you cannot back up your theories by results your rambling is simply non scientific and therefore a pile of ego driven dog shit you can keep feeding to your sparring club participants.

 

[Motleysubs]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

What gym do you train at?

 

[MartinGibson86]

Shooto is the best base for MMA because SHOOTO IS MMA dumbass

IF WE HAD SHOOTO in americas public school system there wouldn't be any MMA champions with wrestling as their primary background

Shooto is treated like a martial art and its average participants weigh 120 lbs

Wrestling is Americans only publicly funded combat sport and is massively popular thruout the entire soviet bloc and Islamic countries

Boxing and Judo can both be done through park districts (publicly funded) in the US.

I assume you mean available in public schools.

Public schools will NEVER allow punching or chokes/subs.

You're a goof

 

[lsa]

Shooto is the best base for MMA because SHOOTO IS MMA dumbass

IF WE HAD SHOOTO in americas public school system there wouldn't be any MMA champions with wrestling as their primary background

Shooto is treated like a martial art and its average participants weigh 120 lbs

Wrestling is Americans only publicly funded combat sport and is massively popular thruout the entire soviet bloc and Islamic countries

OK... Cool. How many champs have a shooto back ground?
How many top 10 in the world have a shooto back ground?

What happened to eastern block wrestlers ?
I thought they were all unbeatable in MMA....

Btw my "mother club" where I started my training was a shooto club.
The founder and head coach started to cross train in BJJ (took silver as Senior at the Mundials).