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You said this though
That's not me saying they shouldn't have lawyered up.

You have the right to feel however you want about their exercising of their rights in fairness but the gist of this kind of comment is that the innocent who have nothing to hide shouldn't be concerned about invoking these rights and instead should cooperate. But that's backfired on many innocent people before, its very misguided thinking.
I'd like to think that 15 people murdered, 35 injured would prompt them to want to help the investigation, even after lawyering up.

They did condemn his actions though and I even pointed you to the part of their statement where they did.
I'm not satisfied at all by that soft vague "condemnation."

The quoted part about terrorism is in reference to the FBI's comments on the matter. As far as his going there who knows why that might be. I can tell you as a Muslim we're not really that attached to our local masjids, most of the time we'll go to the nearest one. The sense I get from Christians is different, they have "their" church they go to for Sunday services and holidays and the community there is important. With us its really just a roof for us to pray in congregation to the point that some masjids are just rinky dinky locations in strip malls. All that to say he could've been a regular and embedded in the community of that masjid or just a guy who happened to pray there sometimes. In which case it makes sense that people who had nothing to do with him are weary about getting dragged into the investigation.
The tweet alluded to this mosque as a known "bad mosque." I'd like more info about that.

You don't think there was any overreach by law enforcement after 9/11 that might make Muslims nervous about talking to police without the presence of a lawyer?
Needing to root out any potential terrorist cells means more than Muslim's feelings in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. It's well documented there was overreach, but they were also facing a lot of pushback from Muslims that secretly supported and/or funded terrorism. It wasn't easy, but 9/11 was an unprecedented event and any resource available to hunt down those responsible was to be used.
 
I'd like to think that 15 people murdered, 35 injured would prompt them to want to help the investigation, even after lawyering up.
Sure and the statement didn't preclude that possibility.
I'm not satisfied at all by that soft vague "condemnation."
That's your right of course but it's not accurate to say they didn't condemn his actions.
The tweet alluded to this mosque as a known "bad mosque." I'd like more info about that.
Somehow I think you have your mind made up on that.
Needing to root out any potential terrorist cells means more than Muslim's feelings in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
I don't think it's fair to trivialize concrrns about documented civil rights violations as mere "feelings"
It's well documented there was overreach, but they were also facing a lot of pushback from Muslims that secretly supported and/or funded terrorism. It wasn't easy, but 9/11 was an unprecedented event and any resource available to hunt down those responsible was to be used.
What gives you that idea?
 
Needing to root out any potential terrorist cells means more than Muslim's feelings in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. It's well documented there was overreach, but they were also facing a lot of pushback from Muslims that secretly supported and/or funded terrorism. It wasn't easy, but 9/11 was an unprecedented event and any resource available to hunt down those responsible was to be used.

Do you have the same attitude towards school shootings and the feelings of people that are anti-gun control?

Since, you acknowledge that government overreach is justified in efforts to suppress violence.
 
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Sure and the statement didn't preclude that possibility.
Didn't mention it either. Which do you think would be more beneficial for them?

That's your right of course but it's not accurate to say they didn't condemn his actions.
It is. They didn't specify at all what they were referring to.

Somehow I think you have your mind made up on that.
I didn't write the tweet.

I don't think it's fair to trivialize concrrns about documented civil rights violations as mere "feelings"
What gives you that idea?
Not condoning it, but it still doesn't compare to the need to root out Islamic extremism. It was also over 20 years ago and I don't really think it's a viable excuse for them to use. They need to get over it.

Do you have the same attitude towards school shootings and the feelings of people that are anti-gun control?

Since, you acknowledge that government overreach is justified in efforts to suppress violence.
Your obsession with trying to compare every subject to school shootings is really weird.
 
Didn't mention it either. Which do you think would be more beneficial for them?
Cooperating with a lawyer at ones side is best and knowing when to and when not to talk helps.
It is. They didn't specify at all what they were referring to.
They did though, they referred to the events that occurred in New Orleans.
I didn't write the tweet.
Sure but you cited it and seem to endorse its take.
Not condoning it, but it still doesn't compare to the need to root out Islamic extremism. It was also over 20 years ago and I don't really think it's a viable excuse for them to use. They need to get over it.
You can root out Islamic extremism without violating people's rights. Even a prayer room I've used was once bugged by police for which they had to apologize for, not to mention the folks who got thrown into Guantanamo unjustly. You don't see how that kind of thing would leave people reasonably weary?
Your obsession with trying to compare every subject to school
His take is valid though, if you think Muslim concerns with their civil liberties being violated is trivial in the face of dealing with terrorism couldn't someone make the same argument with regards to school shootings?
 
Cooperating with a lawyer at ones side is best and knowing when to and when not to talk helps.
Agreed.

They did though, they referred to the events that occurred in New Orleans.
At best, it was a shitty and vague mention.

Sure but you cited it and seem to endorse its take.
Well, not really. I haven't looked into why it is considered a "bad mosque."

You can root out Islamic extremism without violating people's rights. Even a prayer room I've used was once bugged by police for which they had to apologize for, not to mention the folks who got thrown into Guantanamo unjustly. You don't see how that kind of thing would leave people reasonably weary?
What about mosques that they bugged where they were able to find Islamic extremism being promoted?

His take is valid though, if you think Muslim concerns with their civil liberties being violated is trivial in the face of dealing with terrorism couldn't someone make the same argument with regards to school shootings?
I don't see how. We are now seeing parents of school shooters being charged which is a great deterrent. What would be a comparable way to root out Islamic extremism?
 
What about mosques that they bugged where they were able to find Islamic extremism being promoted?
Can you think of an example?
I don't see how. We are now seeing parents of school shooters being charged which is a great deterrent. What would be a comparable way to root out Islamic extremism?
Parents are only charged when their negligence led directly to the shooting. In the one case where both were convicted they literally bought their kid the gun he used after he told them he was unwell in the head.

If it turns out someone bought this terrorist a gun after he made his terrorist inclinations known that person should be ruthlessly prosecuted.
 
What about mosques that they bugged where they were able to find Islamic extremism being promoted?
Can you think of an example?
I don't see how. We are now seeing parents of school shooters being charged which is a great deterrent. What would be a comparable way to root out Islamic extremism?
Parents are only charged when their negligence led directly to the shooting. In the one case where both were convicted they literally bought their kid the gun he used after he told them he was unwell in the head.

If it turns out someone bought this terrorist a gun after he made his terrorist inclinations known that person should be ruthlessly prosecuted.
 
Can you think of an example?

1.Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center, Falls Church, Virginia

The mosque was founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas network in America and is officially affiliated with two Brotherhood fronts designated by the U.S. Justice Department as unindicted co-conspirators in the largest terrorism-financing trial in U.S. history.

A 2002 U.S. government report said the mosque is “operating as a front for Hamas operatives in the U.S.â€

Dar al-Hijrah is best known for being the chosen place of worship for two of the 9/11 hijackers and the Fort Hood shooter. From 2001 to 2002, it was led by Anwar al-Awlaki, who later became a senior Al-Qaeda terrorist.

In 2013, the mosque’s imam was videotaped preaching in favor of violent jihad at a Virginia high school after school closed. The mosque’s director of outreach publicly resigned this year after the imam’s comments in favor of female genital mutilation came to light. The imam was placed on administrative leave.

Parents are only charged when their negligence led directly to the shooting. In the one case where both were convicted they literally bought their kid the gun he used after he told them he was unwell in the head.
Couldn't you make a case that most school shooter's parents were negligible in one way or another with their kids having access to their guns?

If it turns out someone bought this terrorist a gun after he made his terrorist inclinations known that person should be ruthlessly prosecuted.
I can agree with that.
 

1.Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center, Falls Church, Virginia

The mosque was founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas network in America and is officially affiliated with two Brotherhood fronts designated by the U.S. Justice Department as unindicted co-conspirators in the largest terrorism-financing trial in U.S. history.

A 2002 U.S. government report said the mosque is “operating as a front for Hamas operatives in the U.S.â€

Dar al-Hijrah is best known for being the chosen place of worship for two of the 9/11 hijackers and the Fort Hood shooter. From 2001 to 2002, it was led by Anwar al-Awlaki, who later became a senior Al-Qaeda terrorist.

In 2013, the mosque’s imam was videotaped preaching in favor of violent jihad at a Virginia high school after school closed. The mosque’s director of outreach publicly resigned this year after the imam’s comments in favor of female genital mutilation came to light. The imam was placed on administrative leave.
Did this lead to terrorism related convictions? If anything the cited excerpt mentions affiliations with unindicted co-conspirators which implies there weren't convictions here.
Couldn't you make a case that most school shooter's parents were negligible in one way or another with their kids having access to their guns?
Not if they took reasonable precautions beforehand. Convicting people on that basis requires passing a high bar.
 
Did this lead to terrorism related convictions? If anything the cited excerpt mentions affiliations with unindicted co-conspirators which implies there weren't convictions here.
Yes, several:

Several individuals associated with the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, have been convicted of serious offenses:


• Ahmed Omar Abu Ali: A former worshiper and Islamic studies teacher at Dar al-Hijrah, Abu Ali was convicted in 2005 of providing material support to al-Qaeda and conspiring to assassinate President George W. Bush.


• Abelhaleem Hasan Abdelraziq Ashqar: A member of the mosque’s executive committee, Ashqar was convicted in November 2007 of contempt and obstruction of justice for refusing to testify before a grand jury regarding Hamas.


• Ali al-Timimi: Although not directly linked to Dar al-Hijrah, al-Timimi, an American-born Muslim cleric from Fairfax, Virginia, was convicted in April 2005 of inciting followers to wage war against the U.S. and recruiting for the Pakistani terrorist organization Lashkar-e-
 
Yes, several:

Several individuals associated with the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, have been convicted of serious offenses:


• Ahmed Omar Abu Ali: A former worshiper and Islamic studies teacher at Dar al-Hijrah, Abu Ali was convicted in 2005 of providing material support to al-Qaeda and conspiring to assassinate President George W. Bush.


• Abelhaleem Hasan Abdelraziq Ashqar: A member of the mosque’s executive committee, Ashqar was convicted in November 2007 of contempt and obstruction of justice for refusing to testify before a grand jury regarding Hamas.


• Ali al-Timimi: Although not directly linked to Dar al-Hijrah, al-Timimi, an American-born Muslim cleric from Fairfax, Virginia, was convicted in April 2005 of inciting followers to wage war against the U.S. and recruiting for the Pakistani terrorist organization Lashkar-e-
I should've expected you would know, thanks.
 
Well, the first three days of the year were Wed, Thu, Fri...WTF. So, I don't have high hopes.

Yeah, I noticed that myself.

Of course, I was looking at Sidney Sweeney's calendar, so it took some time for the significance to sink in... 😍
 
The guy planned to kill his while family, and apparently hated 50 cent. The only reason he didn’t kill his family was because he thought it would shift the focus away from the ideological aspect:

His electric truck was already headed toward New Orleans, traveling from his trailer home outside Houston and past the twinkling oil refineries to the east, when Shamsud-Din Jabbar began capturing a video on his phone in the dark.

“I wanted to record this message for my family,” Mr. Jabbar said. “I wanted you to know that I joined ISIS earlier this year.”

Mr. Jabbar then added a chilling addendum.

“I don’t want you to think I spared you willingly,” he said, according to details of the video reviewed by The New York Times. He told his family that he had previously conceived of organizing a “celebration” for them and then making everyone “witness the killing of the apostates.”
Recordings about Islamic teachings were posted to an account on the audio website SoundCloud that appears to belong to Mr. Jabbar; the voice was verified by his half brother. In one of them, he warned that music had the power to lure people “into the things that God had made forbidden to us,” such as alcohol, marijuana, vulgarity and crime.

The recording goes on to suggest a connection between the release of “Get Rich or Die Tryin’,” a rap album by 50 Cent, and a series of murders in his neighborhood. He said he worried that Muslims listening to such music were being drawn into evil.
“And the voice of Satan spreading among Prophet Muhammad’s followers — peace be upon him — is a sign of the end times,” he said in the message about a year ago, in early 2024.
 
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