Aspinall's wrestling ability vs Jones (Gane fight comparison)

[Aurelian]

Jones probably regret not taking the easy mil fight because he fell for Tom’s highlight reels LOL

Jon said after the injury he had lost like 60% of his strength. Maybe he just retired because he knows he's old and washed. I don't know why people think this is such a crime unless they're just upset they didn't get to see him lose.

 

[BowserJr]

Already responded but rewatch the fight. Gane has a habit of looking down and then striking up top. He looked down and head kicked Tai Tuivosa. He tried the same shit on Jones but Jones slipped under the punch and took Gane's back. Then Jones pulled his weight back, tricking Gane into pulling forward and then Jones shifted his balance forward using his right knee as base causing Gane to fall down/get taken down. From there Jones used his far superior grappling to ragdoll, control Gane and submit him. Aspinall hasn't shown anything to indicate he can stuff Jones takedowns or deal with his leg/oblique kicks. I always favored Jones but this fight made it even more skewed towards him.

Tom is very experienced submission grappler. Several orders of magnitude above Gane. There is more to it than wrestling alone.

Tom wouldn't get subbed by Jones

 

[swarrrm]

That defense looks eerily familiar, almost like the fight-ending sequence.

If Gane tries that in a rematch, I'd like to see Aspinall take a foul for small joint manipulation.

Fuck that, small joint manipulation will likely get him penalized. He should kick him right in his French balls to avoid having a point taken.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I highly doubt Toms wrestling is on the level of Jons, but I dont think their respective fights against Gane said much about it. The two fights are almost 3 years apart, and Tom was more willing to engage Gane in the stand up.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Thank you!

Everyone thought Tom would murk Gane cuz he has good grappling which is what makes him dangerous vs Jones.

But Tom is no wrestler. His huge grappling advantage is null unless he gets it there.

On the feet Gane has a slight advantage in reach and speed but Tom has power.

Likely full fight would be each round being close and Gane slightly edging until Tom hurts him enough to get a KD or secure a TD

Tom can get Gane to the ground if he prioritized it IMO. The one shot he didn't fully commit and he ate a massive eye poke because apparently thats just how Gane defends. But to say Tom can't get it to the ground based on one half hearted shot attempt in the first round seems like a massive leap.

 

[fjodor]

Totatlly different sequence. Gane threw the most sloppy punch of his life, putting himself so off balance that basically turned his back to Jones, giving Jones a free takedown. Not only has Gane never threw such a sloppy punch ever before, but I can't remember when someone threw such a sloppy punch in a ufc fight since CM punk.

So it was Gane having an inexplicable brain fart.

I agree but Gane has thrown super sloppy punches in other fights too.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Have most of you watched the Stuart Austin fight? Tom was not just taken down, he was taken down at will, by an opponent 30 lbs lighter. No one is doing that to Jones in MMA, ever, doesn't matter if you go back to his first fight. Yes I know Aspinall has improved since back then but the idea that he is in the same wrestling ballpark as Jones is absurd.

 

[Thick_Strong_Tight]

Something I saw although briefly in Tom vs Gane today was how easily Gane stuffed Tom's takedown versus how easily Jon chain wrestled Gane in their fight. Gane has been wrestling and working on his defense but I think people may have overestimated Aspinall's wrestling and takedown ability and defense. He isn't an accomplished or elite wrestler. He comes from a boxing, Jiujitsu and rugby background. His takedowns are bull rush football or rugby tackles. He cannot chain wrestle like Jones. Jones gets a hold of people and can chain wrestle them to the ground with double legs, trips and sweeps. Jones may take Aspinall down and then maul him if they fight. Also, I know GSP doesn't come from an elite wrestling background either but he has great distance and range management due to his karate background which enables him to feint and then level change into an explosive power double something Tom clearly lacks.

I would have to agree; and that's not terribly surprising given that England is not a wrestling-heavy country. Many countries tend to have specific sports they are stronger in and very little history with others (dagestan/iran/cuba have wrestling, mexico/uk have boxing) and the network effect shows through. Living somewhere like the UK it would be surprising to have top wrestling because they don't have the gyms or other elite athletes to train with in that discipline, though I'm sure there are exceptions.

 

[markg171]

It's amazing watching all these posters who said Tom would get Gane down easily if he wanted to suddenly say the complete opposite after being proven wrong.

Fuck off with the revisionist history. Save some face and simply admit you were wrong and were surprised Gane defended the TD.

 

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My money is on Gane in a wrestling match vs Tom.

 

[usernamee]

Likely full fight would be each round being close and Gane slightly edging until Tom hurts him enough to get a KD or secure a TD

Disagree with that. Each round Gane would keep getting the better of Tom. Every minute that fight passes goes in favour of Gane. His style is better suited to last for five full rounds, and he has also proven he can go five rounds.

Tom's style is erratic and involving big movements and essentially exploding forward with the kitchen sink over and over again.

 

[BowserJr]

Tom can get Gane to the ground if he prioritized it IMO. The one shot he didn't fully commit and he ate a massive eye poke because apparently thats just how Gane defends. But to say Tom can't get it to the ground based on one half hearted shot attempt in the first round seems like a massive leap.

Tom is not known for his wrestling or takedowns at all.

Gane isn't known for tdd but easily defended Tom's td.

My guess is Tom gets a TKO or hurts him enough to get a td

 

[BowserJr]

Disagree with that. Each round Gane would keep getting the better of Tom. Every minute that fight passes goes in favour of Gane. His style is better suited to last for five full rounds, and he has also proven he can go five rounds.

Tom's style is erratic and involving big movements and essentially exploding forward with the kitchen sink over and over again.

I disagree with your take on Tom. You're really downplaying his skills and attributes

 

[SuperNerd]

Jon said after the injury he had lost like 60% of his strength. Maybe he just retired because he knows he's old and washed. I don't know why people think this is such a crime unless they're just upset they didn't get to see him lose.

rip

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Tom has virtually no experience in wrestling compared to Jones, not even on the same planet.

 

[Mammothman]

I don't know where this narrative that Aspinall was a super grappler came from, he is from UK ffs.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Maybe Gane got better?

fighters dont change or improve. They are built one and then they never change.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I don't know where this narrative that Aspinall was a super grappler came from, he is from UK ffs.

um he subbed arlovski and volkov. Which makes him A GOAT tier NEXT GENERATION HW.

 

[Streeter]

Aslpnals wrestling is serviceable and he's had hw success. He is 3 level below bones here maybe another level below as hes a quitter n likely doubts the commitment for success there he quits easy.

 

[usernamee]

I disagree with your take on Tom. You're really downplaying his skills and attributes

He launches forward recklessly. Almost every fight he gets caught with something when doing so, even in the fights he won via knockout in 1-2 minutes that happens. How the hell do you think that's gonna work out against Gane for five rounds? Especially when that style is so energy dependent.