Media Aspinall's suspect cardio: Gane has to survive the first round basically

[CobraCobretti]

Huge if true.

 

[HHJ]

Well that seems like it's probably the most important part of the fight, rather than hypotheticals.

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[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Tom fans are extraordinarily insecure about Tom's defensive grappling, cardio, heart, and chin being unproven.

Its more that there a handful of weirdo Jon Jones cultists on here who want to downplay Tom for obvious reasons, and have decided to automatically assume these to be his weaknesses purely by virtue of the fact that the guy fucking wrecks everbody easily within a round.

 

[sdpdude9]

The thing is, "unproven" is actually fair for defensive grappling, cardio, and heart. It hasn't been tested in a long time. I'd argue his chin has been tested as Pav hit him flush in the pocket and Aspinall ate it, but it's a small sample size. Chin isn't as bug a deal at HW since eating multiple clean shots at that size means most of the time you're in trouble.

But you clowns don't stop at "hey it's unproven". Look at the post from @Ares Black that shows the obsessive way TS creates thread after thread trying to show the HW champ as some chump. Or look at the idiot @Gregoire1 who is so emo about Jones that he trips over himself to call Aspinall a bum.

This is it. It’s reasonable to be skeptical. Fact is questions linger when a guy typically wins quickly. There is still plenty we haven’t seen from Aspinall, there’s nothing wrong with thinking maybe he’s not all that. Nothing wrong with speculating at potential weaknesses.

However, that is not what these posters are doing. They’re posting with a clear anti-Aspinall bias and an agenda. Clawing and digging for anything to downplay him. Clearly praying for him to fail and not being subtle about it. It’s clear ulterior motives, not just mere skepticism.

 

[mkess101]

This is it. It’s reasonable to be skeptical. Fact is questions linger when a guy typically wins quickly. There is still plenty we haven’t seen from Aspinall, there’s nothing wrong with thinking maybe he’s not all that. Nothing wrong with speculating at potential weaknesses.

However, that is not what these posters are doing. They’re posting with a clear anti-Aspinall bias and an agenda. Clawing and digging for anything to downplay him. Clearly praying for him to fail and not being subtle about it. It’s clear ulterior motives, not just mere skepticism.

100% spot on

 

[Portland8242]

Tom fans are extraordinarily insecure about Tom's defensive grappling, cardio, heart, and chin being unproven.

I don't know why they don't just blow past their insecurities and say that Tom's the perfect example of the old adage that the best defence is a good offence. Can't have your cardio tested if you win by KO in 60 seconds instead.

(I know why they don't as that would involve admitting that there may be weaknesses)

Jon Jones fans are extraordinarily insecure about the fact that Jones ducked this guy for 30M

 

[Portland8242]

Are we also just gonna ignore that Gane was just as gassed as 1-legged Ngannou grappling with him for 2 rounds going into round 5

 

[Portland8242]

Yes he did for the most part. He got takedowns of his own as well but made poor choices on the ground. Ngannou had the element of surprise though, and Ngannou improved his wrestling to the point that he outwrestled champion Stipe. Tom can't claim to have done anything close to that so far.

The Ngannou injury is over hyped too, if your leg is so fucked up how the heck does that make wrestling easier than striking? Ngannou looked pretty similar in there whereas with Gane's injury you could see he was a completely different fighter.

Over hyped? It was literally a full on ACL and MCL tear. An NHL player Aleksandr Barkov just suffered this exact same injury last week and he literally has to miss the entire NHL season.

You're not doing yourself any favours advertising how stupid you are to the rest of the board.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Over hyped? It was literally a full on ACL and MCL tear. An NHL player Aleksandr Barkov just suffered this exact same injury last week and he literally has to miss the entire NHL season.

You're not doing yourself any favours advertising how stupid you are to the rest of the board.

He looked the same in there clown. If it was that bad he would've fucking went down in pain from his knee giving out during the fight. TJ Dillashaw had a real acute urgent injury vs Aljo, that's what it looks like. Long recovery after it hits a critical point is another matter entirely.

 

[markg171]

Its more that there a handful of weirdo Jon Jones cultists on here who want to downplay Tom for obvious reasons, and have decided to automatically assume these to be his weaknesses purely by virtue of the fact that the guy fucking wrecks everbody easily within a round.

You did exactly what I said you guys should do and just focus on Tom's known offensive capabilities, but instead cut off my quote to make it seem like I just bitched him for his unknowns.

Dishonest Mutant Turtle.

 

[markg171]

Are we also just gonna ignore that Gane was just as gassed as 1-legged Ngannou grappling with him for 2 rounds going into round 5

Amazing that you don't see the irony in calling out Gane's cardio in the 5th round against Ngannou, while skipping over his other two 5th round performances against Volkov and Roz, despite never even having seen Tom's cardio beyond the 8 minute mark. 8 is less the 25 Portland.

What an amazing self own.

 

[MisfitsBR]

I just know that I'm really excited to watch, it's hard to see a fighter that always finish his fights, and the more the rounds pass, the more things will get more interesting...

Pavlovich used to finish his fights too, but now he's on 3 decision streak, and I feel that we kinda lost the enthusiasm

 

[cmw43]

I mean yeah if we were simply trying to determine who won a fight between Arlovski and Arlovski.....but looking at past fights and seeing potential weaknesses is a pretty common practice, which helped many of know with virtual certainty that for example Khamzat vs DDP was a squash match, while others just said "well DDP won all his fights and he's strong!"

I don't think 42 year old Arlovski or whatever he was at the time would beat prime Aspinall more times than not, if that's what you're getting at

You didn't think from watching previous Khamzat fights that he had questionable cardio?

Most people expected Khamzat would dominate the early rounds but fade if it made it to the Championship rounds.

For the DDP fight he brought in Dillashaws specialist strength and cardio coach who's a specialist in EPO (TJ got busted) and worked with Tour de France cyclists.

 

[usernamee]

You didn't think from watching previous Khamzat fights that he had questionable cardio?

Most people expected Khamzat would dominate the early rounds but fade if it made it to the Championship rounds.

For the DDP fight he brought in Dillashaws specialist strength and cardio coach who's a specialist in EPO (TJ got busted) and worked with Tour de France cyclists.

Which Khamzat fights showed bad cardio?

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

You did exactly what I said you guys should do and just focus on Tom's known offensive capabilities, but instead cut off my quote to make it seem like I just bitched him for his unknowns.

Dishonest Mutant Turtle.

I'm quoting the part that i'm directly addressing.

It is really weird and sad to see MMA fans trying to downplay a current prime athletic well rounded exciting as fuck HW in support of the RETIRED fighter who ran from him. Because lets face it, thats the place that the criticisms are coming from 99% of the time.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

You didn't think from watching previous Khamzat fights that he had questionable cardio?

Most people expected Khamzat would dominate the early rounds but fade if it made it to the Championship rounds.

For the DDP fight he brought in Dillashaws specialist strength and cardio coach who's a specialist in EPO (TJ got busted) and worked with Tour de France cyclists.

No I actually did think that cardio is a potential weakness, but I also specifically wrote many times that DDP is NOT Usman and that even a gassed Khamzat would have such a skill advantage in wrestling that he would still be able to take DDP down at will (unless he gassed to an insane level like Mark Coleman vs Pete Williams, which wasn't going to happen). DDP also put up less resistance than I thought so Khamzat didn't have to use nearly as much cardio to control him thus gassed even less than expected.

 

[markg171]

I'm quoting the part that i'm directly addressing.

It is really weird and sad to see MMA fans trying to downplay a current prime athletic well rounded exciting as fuck HW in support of the RETIRED fighter who ran from him. Because lets face it, thats the place that the criticisms are coming from 99% of the time.

The fact you think it's downplaying Tom to point out we don't know many things about him because so far he's only ever been an offensive juggernaut who wins early says exactly what I was talking about you guys being so insecure.

I want to see if Tom actually is a "prime athletic well rounded exciting as fuck HW" by seeing him tested beyond another standing 60 second KO. You guys seem to be deathly afraid of the possibility that he's not if that doesn't happen.

 

[TheNewGame]

Which Khamzat fights showed bad cardio?

 

[AndrewGolota48]

The fact you think it's downplaying Tom to point out we don't know many things about him because so far he's only ever been an offensive juggernaut who wins early says exactly what I was talking about you guys being so insecure.

I want to see if Tom actually is a "prime athletic well rounded exciting as fuck HW" by seeing him tested beyond another standing 60 second KO. You guys seem to be deathly afraid of the possibility that he's not if that doesn't happen.

White supremacist racists, they have no questions about Aspinall yet Ngannou can show amazing TDD vs Blaydes and Stipe, go 5 rounds in the first fight getting his shit pushed in by Stipe but still make the final bell, and arguably beat Tyson Fury in a DECISION in boxing, yet they still question his wrestling, cardio, and boxing ability, acting like he's just this big powerful unskilled brute that gasses like DADA 5000.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

The fact you think it's downplaying Tom to point out we don't know many things about him because so far he's only ever been an offensive juggernaut who wins early says exactly what I was talking about you guys being so insecure.

When this shit is brought up 9 times out of 10 it isnt an honest discussion about there being a question mark around certain aspects of his game, its presented as the default assumption that he has those weaknesses in order to push a narrative. Look at the title of the thread you're posting in.

It literally is just weirdo Jon fans wanting the guy to look bad. They are absolutely desperate for him to lose. If Gane lasts one minute longer than he did vs Jon this forum will be spammed up with the usual suspects making countless threads about how Jon is vindicated.

I for one am not "insecure" about anything relating to Tom because i'm a grown man and dont fanboy over fighters like that. I'm happy that hes bringing a degree of hype to a fairly dead division, and is one of the few athletic skilled HWs around today, thats pretty much the extent of it for me. I was completely neutral when he fought Pav because they were both prime exciting HWs who were good for the division.