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Are Americans falling behind in MMA?

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  1. IGotAHugePeckah

    IGotAHugePeckah Purple Belt

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    Actually, that's not true.

    Out of 165 top 15 ranked fighters in the UFC (not including champions), 85 are American born (not counting American citizens that were born elsewhere). That's slightly above 50%, so yes, the majority of the UFC's top ranked athletes ARE American.

    And again, that's not including champions (most are American) or American citizens who were born elsewhere, like Uzman.

    Look at the p4p rankings - Americans hold the top 2 spots, 4 out of the top 5 spots, 9 out of the top 15.

    No matter how you dice it, Americans make up a disproportionate amount of UFC champions and top ranked contenders.

    If you're not American and you're a champion or in the top 15, it's likely you live and train in America. USA is the undisputed king of MMA.
     
  2. -guerilla-

    -guerilla- Founder of the Louisville fight club est..1993

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    Quote your source....
     
  3. IGotAHugePeckah

    IGotAHugePeckah Purple Belt

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  4. Mr Fahrenheit

    Mr Fahrenheit Orange Belt

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    You guys need to apply a little more critical thinking to this problem.

    Think about any major sports league: English, Spanish, German and Italian football/soccer leagues, NBA, NFL, MLB in the United States, NHL in the U.S. and Canada, Japanese baseball, etc.

    What do you see in all of them? (1) The best athletes in that sport from around the world; and (2) a lot of filler from the local population.

    It’s perfectly normal that fighters from the United States (which is home to approximately 5% of the world’s population FYI) would both (a) occupy an oversized portion of the total population of the UFC; and (b) occupy a relatively smaller portion of the elite population of the UFC.

    Why? Because the very best athletes from foreign lands will eventually find their way to the preeminent sports organizations in the world—but the merely good athletes from those places will not.

    The most recent UFC event was held in Wichita, Kansas. Of the 14 fighters on the preliminary card, two were not from the United States. 11 earned reported salaries of between $3,500 and $5,000, while the other three earned $10,000. The economics aren’t great if you have to fly to Wichita from Budapest or Nairobi to pocket $5,000. So until you’re good enough to earn a contract that warrants a full-time move to the U.S. to live and train, you probably won’t be appearing on too many U.S.-based cards—also known as most cards period.

    Instead, non-U.S. fighters often remain in their home country, or at least on their home continent, competing on the local circuit until their abilities make the economics work.

    Expecting anything from the non-U.S. population at the UFC level other than having a lower overall participation rate but a higher relative success rate would be absurd.
     
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  5. Judoka1532

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    Ok let's look at it another way (women's division included).

    Russia: 29 fighters
    They make up 5% of all fighters, and 4.5 % of ranked top 16 of all divisions

    Brazil: 90 fighters,
    They make up 15.4% of all fighters, and 18.7% of top 16 of all divisions

    USA: 583 fighters,
    They make up 47.68 % of all fighters, and 50.5% of top 16 of all divisions
     
  6. -guerilla-

    -guerilla- Founder of the Louisville fight club est..1993

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    My sample is bigger than yours!
    Maybee you should read the thread b4 you start counting.

    In heavyweight:
    19 out of 25 men on this list are not americans....thats 76%!!!

    In light heavyweight:
    18 of 25 are not Americans... 72%!!!

    For middleweight:
    its 12/25...plus the champion is not American....thats only 48%.

    For welterweight:
    13/25 are not American...thats 52%!!!

    Lightweight:
    12/25 plus champ are not American...48%

    Featherweight:
    10/25 not American...40%

    Bantamweight
    12/25 not American...48%

    Flyweight:
    10/22 not American....45%


    That total is 106 out of 197 of the UFC top ranked ATHLETES are not American...thats 54%

    America's biggest mma tournament has predominantly foreign athletes participating!

    Americans are falling behind in MMA!

    And all this data was compiled before the last 2 UFC events where Americans lost all but one international match AND a welterweight championship

    http://rankingmma.com/ufc-rankings/heavyweight/
     
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  7. ineverpost

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    Being on after non olympic curling would be an ideal end game I think
     
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  8. noc

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    This is MMA not Wrestling
    Give us some names
     
  9. -guerilla-

    -guerilla- Founder of the Louisville fight club est..1993

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    Dmitriy Sosnovskiy
    Magomed Malikov
    Ivan shtyrkov
    Denis goltsov
    Vitaly Minakov
    Evgeny Erokhin
    Aleksander Emelianenko
    Fedor Emelianenko
    Mikhail Mokhnatkin
    Anton Vyazigin
    Nikolay Savilov
    Evgeny Goncharov
    Zelimkhan Umiev
    Alikhan Vakhaev
    Alexander Gladkov
    Amirkhan Guliev
    Zaur Gadzhibabayev
    Alexander Stolyarov
    Muzaffar Radzhabov
    Ante Delija
     
  10. noc

    noc Green Belt

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    The first guy is in UFC, the second one seems like is retired, the third couldn defeat somebody with many loses, one against Fedor's brother
    lol Fedor and his brother in this list? :rolleyes:
    And the rest.. seems like nobody is undefeated
     
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  11. papitodd

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    Shit blew up around the time the UFC and Pride merged. There was as much star power per event as there is in the entire UFC currently. All the stars aligned, but it isn’t sustainable. There is never more than a small handful of boxers known to the public, domestically at least, and I suspect MMA will follow suit.
     
  12. papitodd

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    I think MMA changes your point because now those interested in fighting know what he highest level looks like. MMA is effective and proven so, so I don’t see other arts leapfrogging it in popularity.
     
  13. blaccbeard

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  14. -guerilla-

    -guerilla- Founder of the Louisville fight club est..1993

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    Point is ANY of these men are more qualified to fight DC than broc lesnar will ever be and look what the UFC is pushing?

    Once again they don't want competitive foreigners and they try their best to build American champions.

    DC isint ducking or dodging he's just part of the sports entertainment industry the UFC has CREATED.

    That's why boxing has struggled so many years to put up the best fighters...

    ...promoters/promotions own fighters under contract and have all the incentive in the world to make the most money not give the best fighters a shot at the title.

    Just remeber...DC is the best P4P in the UFC ...
    Not MMA
     
  15. iwillbebackin3weeks

    iwillbebackin3weeks Blue Belt

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    40 y/o Brock Lesnar stomps any guy not named DC & Stipe.

    Brock Lesnar is the greatest part time fighter of all time.
     
  16. tenniswhiz

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    Clinical studies have shown that the American kids are falling behind in MMAth.
     
  17. papitodd

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    Sherdog studies contradict this statement, and state we are #1 by a landslide.
     
  18. -guerilla-

    -guerilla- Founder of the Louisville fight club est..1993

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  19. noc

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    You reminds me of the Pride fans that thought those figthers would be dominant champions here
     
  20. The rubberband man

    The rubberband man Rubber Belt

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    Ignore him he's a troll, he tried to say on a seperate threat that folkstyle doesn't work in mma because it's all just turtle attacks, tried to say american wrestling sucks because bjj dominates the ground game and freestyle dominates the stand up. Said america sucks because "all we have is American nerfed muay thai, folkstyle wrestling, and strip mall bjj"

    I think it's clear that he has some sort of a fetish for hating on americans in mma. He uses things that sound KINDA true and then ignoring the actual objective evidence behind it.
     

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