Are Americans falling behind in MMA?

[-guerilla-]

It is not about nations. It is about fighters. At one point, Brazil had champs in UFC at multiple divisions and at the same time (Barao, Anderson, Aldo, Shogun and JDS). Now we only have Nunes. Their time came and new fighters from another nations became champions (USA, Russia, Ireland, Poland).
You can't really say it is a "nation's thing". Most champs go through camp trainings located in other countries.
Just my two cents.

So where have all the russian wrestlers been All these years?

 

[-guerilla-]

@-guerilla- it sort of feels like it's not so much as Americans falling behind as it is the American organization cracking the door open to Dagestan and Russia and creating a champion that is forcing the door to be pushed open further for other top fighters who were otherwise kept out of the UFC causing American fans to assume that they suck or are can crushers.

So where have they been in the meantime??

 

[Judoka1532]

Bro...u REALLY need to read the thread b4 you respond.

There's 15 pages of hard data...and now it's even stronger because Americans have been DOMINATED in the last 2 UFC events.

Americans are falling behind in MMA

My response was directly in response to your comment about last night's card. Look, first I don't understand the importance of america being the top dog in mma. I would anticipate, over time the playing field will level out. It looks like it's heading in that direction. I still think usa has the best overall.

I think I also read where you said the ufc isn't the best promotion. From an opinion perspective, I totally disagree. I'll read more into this thread before I take on any stats.

 

[marvinparsons]

Most martial arts facilities cater to hobbyists, not serious athletes .

People want to do a martial art that works, doesn't injure them and/or involve real fighting. BJJ fits this niche. Training "MMA" does not. If you train MMA and then fight you risk serious injury. You can compete in BJJ with minimal risk.

Most grown men can't handle the rigors of MMA, judo, wrestling or full contact striking. You are pretty much left with BJJ. Before BJJ it was karate or tae kwon do.

 

[-guerilla-]

My response was directly in response to your comment about last night's card. Look, first I don't understand the importance of america being the top dog in mma. I would anticipate, over time the playing field will level out. It looks like it's heading in that direction. I still think usa has the best overall.

I think I also read where you said the ufc isn't the best promotion. From an opinion perspective, I totally disagree. I'll read more into this thread before I take on any stats.

Well one would think that American athletes would dominate THEIR largest promotion.

But...

If you read this thread you may be supprised to learn that foreign fighters make up the MAJORITY of top 15 athletes across all weight classes.

It was 54% before the last 2 UFC events (where Americans won a cumilitive 1 international match across BOTH EVENTS)

PLUS LOST THE WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP

 

[BigBadKraken]

 

[-guerilla-]

Most martial arts facilities cater to hobbyists, not serious athletes .

People want to do a martial art that works, doesn't injure them and/or involve real fighting. BJJ fits this niche. Training "MMA" does not. If you train MMA and then fight you risk serious injury. You can compete in BJJ with minimal risk.

Most grown men can't handle the rigors of MMA, judo, wrestling or full contact striking. You are pretty much left with BJJ. Before BJJ it was karate or tae kwon do.

You can train MMA style without any contact if you like.

The reason martial arts schools aren't interested in teaching MMA is that it has no belt ranking/ uniform or association fees and that's where the big money is made in martial arts

Plus insurance companies are ignorant in referance to the TRUE risk of MMA training so it carries mutch too high a liability.

America would have loads of great Champions if we allowed poor people to train in government-sponsored facilities

Like we used to do with boxing, wrestling and Judo in this country.

 

[-guerilla-]

Wow more cartoons on a cage fighters forum...

Perhaps there's another reason why America sucks at combat sports.

 

[BigBadKraken]

Wow more cartoons on a cage fighters forum...

Perhaps there's another reason why America sucks at combat sports.

"Cage fighters".

Is this 1999?

I am English.

It isn't a cartoon.

This isn't a cage fighter's forum. It's a forum for people who watch "cage fighters".

 

[Subfighter]

@-guerrilla- hard to tell, bro. Japan's MMA market was more open to them than USA's on the last two decades. USA was pretty open to brazilians and some europeans though.
All I am saying is: Individuality is a thing to be considered.
Maybe russians will start to shine more often in USA for quite some time, but then other fighters will take them out. Same thing happened to brazilians. Naturally.

 

[Judoka1532]

Well one would think that American athletes would dominate THEIR largest promotion.

But...

If you read this thread you may be supprised to learn that foreign fighters make up the MAJORITY of top 15 athletes across all weight classes.

It was 54% before the last 2 UFC events (where Americans won a cumilitive 1 international match across BOTH EVENTS)

PLUS LOST THE WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP

Ok so have you calculated the number of fighters by country? Because I want to know what the % or ranked fighters are based off of the number of fighters from their respective countries

 

[-guerilla-]

"Cage fighters".

Is this 1999?

I am English.

It isn't a cartoon.

This isn't a cage fighter's forum. It's a forum for people who watch "cage fighters".

Right-o guv....

That's not a cartoon at all...

It's a bloody puppet show.

Well done!

 

[-guerilla-]

@-guerrilla- hard to tell, bro. Japan's MMA market was more open to them than USA's on the last two decades. USA was pretty open to brazilians and some europeans though.
All I am saying is: Individuality is a thing to be considered.
Maybe russians will start to shine more often in USA for quite some time, but then other fighters will take them out. Same thing happened to brazilians. Naturally.

Yeah that's a great observation the Japanese promotions have always welcomed the Russians and everybody else with open arms, I've always deeply respected them for that

in the early days the Japanese had an alarming number of works..that was my only concern

The Russians have FINALLY arrived in American mma,
However, I don't think they are gonna be replaced any time soon.

 

[-guerilla-]

Ok so have you calculated the number of fighters by country? Because I want to know what the % or ranked fighters are based off of the number of fighters from their respective countries

Yeah I did the math before the last two UFC events...

54% of UFC top 15 ranked ATHLETES are not American.

The last 2 UFC events were a total wash for American fighters.

You know, the ones where Americans lost all but one of their international matches AND the welterweight championship.

 

[iwillbebackin3weeks]

I dont give a shit.

America dominates the second best sport: Basketball.

 

[Judoka1532]

Yeah I did the math before the last two UFC events...

54% of UFC top 15 ranked ATHLETES are not American.

The last 2 UFC events were a total wash for American fighters.

You know, the ones where Americans lost all but one of their international matches AND the welterweight championship.

I mean of all fighters. But I just found the answer i'm looking for.
There are 583 fighters in the ufc. 277 are Americans. That equals 47.5%. The numbers seem to tell a story here don't they. If Americans make up 46% of the top 15, and 47.5% of all 583 fighters...then that means it's about where it should be.

 

[WOW]

Wow more cartoons on a cage fighters forum...

Perhaps there's another reason why America sucks at combat sports.

That's not a cartoon you stupid idiot !

 

[Subfighter]

Yeah that's a great observation the Japanese promotions have always welcomed the Russians and everybody else with open arms, I've always deeply respected them for that

in the early days the Japanese had an alarming number of works..that was my only concern

The Russians have FINALLY arrived in American mma,
However, I don't think they are gonna be replaced any time soon.

They won't be replaced. Same thing with brazilians and americans.
I just don't think there will be some kind of domination based on nationality, you know? I believe in good training and individual skills.
Dagestanis are good, but are they all Khabib level of good? Not at all.
We now have an african UFC champion. However, we can't ignore the fact that Usman spent most of his life in USA (since he was 8) and had trained 100% in USA.
How many russians (former soviets) nowadays have the same level of skills and dominance as Khabib? Minakov?Valentin Moldavsky? Unlikely.
It's all about good training camps and skilled athletes. And we have this all over the world. And once the fighters become elite, they start looking for training camps in Thailand, Brazil, USA etc.
I predict MMA to become more like kickboxing. In kickboxing, there isn't a country that dominates it. You have champs from Netherlands, Rússia, Japan, Brazil, USA, New Zeland, Morrocos, Turkey... not only from Thailand anymore.

 

[noc]

Well one would think that American athletes would dominate THEIR largest promotion.

But...

If you read this thread you may be supprised to learn that foreign fighters make up the MAJORITY of top 15 athletes across all weight classes.

It was 54% before the last 2 UFC events (where Americans won a cumilitive 1 international match across BOTH EVENTS)

PLUS LOST THE WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP

You never think of those foreigners are elite ? UFC only wants very good foreigners.

Here in SouthAmerica every interesting Brazilian prospect goes to the UFC, the rest of SouthAmerican fighters cant get many wins in Brazil. Every MMA figther in the world has his eyes put in the UFC, most of them dont have the level. UFC has the best figthers and USA guys are very good and many.. UFC being American promotion has nothing to do with that. I dont remenber an American losing here, i dont know in Brazil
In Tapology web site you can know all the figthers that exist in the world and their record and where r they in the world ranking

 

[-guerilla-]

I mean of all fighters. But I just found the answer i'm looking for.
There are 583 fighters in the ufc. 277 are Americans. That equals 47.5%. The numbers seem to tell a story here don't they. If Americans make up 46% of the top 15, and 47.5% of all 583 fighters...then that means it's about where it should be.

the UFC is the biggest tournament and the biggest prize and it is an American promotion that occurs primarily in America yet Americans don't even have a 50% participation rate at the top 15 ranked ATHLETES.

That's really an amazing commentary on Americans proficiency in combat sports like grappling and kickboxing

let's look at this another way...
considering the statistics if you had 100 18 year old males randomly selected from the American population and 100 18 year old males randomly selected from the russian/Brazilian population who do you think would win in an MMA contest one on one?

Please keep in mind Americans get CRUSHED in Olympic combat sports (judo wrestling, tae kwon do, boxing and fencing) year after year after year!