Opinion AOC = Trump of the Left.

[ferrisjso]

Right. We already pay too much in taxes. Fuck paying more for people who aren’t motivated to get out of their situation. My idea of helping people doesn’t include penalizing others. Especially the ones who abtially contribute the most to society.

My idea would be competition across state lines with insurance companies. The competition will drive down costs.

I’ll never be ok with robbing the willing while rewarding the lazy.

And there are jobs out there. They may not be desirable, but they are out there.

The wealthy who make their money don't contribute to society they are exactly what you accuse the poor of being.

So you're going to let murderers still operate without going to jail? Puto.

The wealthy aren't willing and it's disguisting you're okay with them not working and are not okay with the poor doing the same. Why are people obligated to work when the wealthy(WHO HAVE NOT EARNED THEIR MONEY FOR THE LARGE PART) aren't?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Right. We already pay too much in taxes. Fuck paying more for people who aren’t motivated to get out of their situation. My idea of helping people doesn’t include penalizing others. Especially the ones who abtially contribute the most to society.

My idea would be competition across state lines with insurance companies. The competition will drive down costs.

I’ll never be ok with robbing the willing while rewarding the lazy.

And there are jobs out there. They may not be desirable, but they are out there.

This is the problem with some right wingers, they conjure up the mythical deadbeat, lazy moocher as the boogeyman to torpedo any kind of measures that disproportionately help the poor all the while not realizing that in a market economy the losers are more often than not those who can't work(children, the elderly, the disabled) or those caring for them. These deadbeats that you speak of, the people who don't contribute to society, they're mostly the aforementioned groups of people.

If you really have something against a healthcare system that disproportionately helps children, the elderly, and disabled(the "deadbeats" you speak of) then sure continue along this line of argumentation. But something tells me you don't actually have a problem with that, that your image of the deadbeat is actually at odds with the reality of the poor in America today.

 

[Captain Davis]

The wealthy who make their money don't contribute to society they are exactly what you accuse the poor of being.

So you're going to let murderers still operate without going to jail? Puto.

The wealthy aren't willing and it's disguisting you're okay with them not working and are not okay with the poor doing the same. Why are people obligated to work when the wealthy(WHO HAVE NOT EARNED THEIR MONEY FOR THE LARGE PART) aren't?

Anyone who hates the wealthy are simply jealous. Stop trying to rob successful people and try more to be like them. Let’s raise the bar instead of lowering the standard.

 

[franklinstower]

Yeah I'm sure it all makes sense in theory. My point was in theory the ACA should have caused insurance rates to drop, but it didn't. Rates increased by a lot, even though more people were being covered. It just doesn't work, and the government is known for its efficiency when it comes to this stuff.

Hell in theory, we should socialize car insurance as well. Should be cheaper without these companies earning profit, right? It never works in reality though.

UHC and Obama's plan have nothing to do with each other. There is just no correlation and lets not even get into the fact that Obama let the republicans gut his plan without even putting up a fight which is part of why his plan was so shitty.

UHC makes really good sense going by the numbers. It would be better for everyone IMO.

 

[ferrisjso]

Anyone who hates the wealthy are simply jealous. Stop trying to rob successful people and try more to be like them. Let’s raise the bar instead of lowering the standard.

The investment class does nothing worth emulating.

You know nothing about me.

 

[ferrisjso]

UHC and Obama's plan have nothing to do with each other. There is just no correlation and lets not even get into the fact that Obama let the republicans gut his plan without even putting up a fight which is part of why his plan was so shitty.

UHC makes really good sense going by the numbers. It would be better for everyone IMO.

The mandate was part of the Republican plan he copied it and liberals advocated for the stupid plan cause Obama was for it and conservatives abandoned their own idea cause Obama was for it.

Mediciad expansion is a small part of single payer though so I'll give him that much.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I agree that it’s a flawed system. I’m not for universal healthcare though. I think more competition between health care companies would be a better place to start.

I'm ok with that, I've mentioned DPC's here before, for example. I think a hybrid system of DPC (those are membership based primary care doctors, instead of pay per visit; like having a gym membership for health care) for routine care and medicare "plan c" as a catastrophic plan for all could be a good compromise.

 

[Captain Davis]

This is the problem with some right wingers, they conjure up the mythical deadbeat, lazy moocher as the boogeyman to torpedo any kind of measures that disproportionately help the poor all the while not realizing that in a market economy the losers are more often than not those who can't work(children, the elderly, the disabled) or those caring for them. These deadbeats that you speak of, the people who don't contribute to society, they're mostly the aforementioned groups of people.

If you really have something against a healthcare system that disproportionately helps children, the elderly, and disabled(the "deadbeats" you speak of) then sure continue along this line of argumentation. But something tells me you don't actually have a problem with that, that your image of the deadbeat is actually at odds with the reality of the poor in America today.

Actually, I see it on a daily basis.

And my deadbeat boogeyman is no different than your “wealthy” boogeyman.

You see, I actually experience “deadbeats” every shift. They aren’t old, helpless people either. They are able bodied adults who work the system.

Don’t preach to me about poor helpless people. I know better. I don’t have to read shit on the internet, I see it for myself. I’ve grown up around it.

It’s not the governments or society’s job to take care of the poor. It should be up to churches and/or humanitarian groups.

Most poor people are in their situation because of poor life decisions. That’s not my fault.

 

[Islam Imamate]

UHC and Obama's plan have nothing to do with each other. There is just no correlation and lets not even get into the fact that Obama let the republicans gut his plan without even putting up a fight which is part of why his plan was so shitty.

UHC makes really good sense going by the numbers. It would be better for everyone IMO.

Personally I have one question when it comes to UHC; does it have to be at the federal level or might it be better to have it implemented at the state level? Of course that would mean 50 different versions of it which could take forever to get done in practice and maybe it works better in some states than others but at the federal level it seems compromise and consensus building mechanisms have broken down so whatever gets filtered through the partisan Congress comes out looking less than ideal like Obamacare.

 

[ocfightfan]

They both drink water, which means they are exactly alike.

 

[franklinstower]

Anyone who hates the wealthy are simply jealous. Stop trying to rob successful people and try more to be like them. Let’s raise the bar instead of lowering the standard.

I don't think you have the only valid take on this at all. I know tons of wealthy people. I am not wealthy but own a 500,000 dollar house and all of my stuff is owned debt free and daughter college fund is full, etc etc.

I could have a lot more but I would have to trade being a present father and husband in order to get it. This would in turn negatively affect the long term success of my genetic line as great parenting with lots of love and attention and time produces better adults and better human beings who can in turn improve on what i have given them and pass it on.

Most of the very wealthy people I know have done the opposite placing monetary and social class ambitions ahead of family and love and personal development. I think they made terrible choices and many of them admit it around 65 years of age or so when they start to slow down and look at the real value they have produced in life and the regrets they have.

I am happier and more successful than any of the extremely wealthy people in my social circle-- and it is by a lot. They made the mistake of thinking more money was better, and they were wrong. Their children and families paid the price.

 

[Travis17]

There is just no correlation and lets not even get into the fact that Obama let the republicans gut his plan without even putting up a fight which is part of why his plan was so shitty.

Are you serious? The correlation is they are both being run by the government which is known for its bloat and inefficiency. That the plan was the ACA would cost less because more people were being covered, and it didn't cost less at all, it led to rates doubling. How does this not concern you at all?

 

[ferrisjso]

I'm ok with that, I've mentioned DPC's here before, for example. I think a hybrid system of DPC (those are membership based primary care doctors, instead of pay per visit; like having a gym membership for health care) for routine care and medicare "plan c" as a catastrophic plan for all could be a good compromise.

Anyone who's okay with murderers being allowed to operate their business isn't a real American. You don't compromise on murder, heck single payer without criminal liability for these companies is unacceptable.

 

[Captain Davis]

I don't think you have the only valid take on this at all. I know tons of wealthy people. I am not wealthy but own a 500,000 dollar house and all of my stuff is owned debt free and daughter college fund is full, etc etc.

I could have a lot more but I would have to trade being a present father and husband in order to get it. This would in turn negatively affect the long term success of my genetic line as great parenting with lots of love and attention and time produces better adults and better human beings who can in turn improve on what i have given them and pass it on.

Most of the very wealthy people I know have done the opposite placing monetary and social class ambitions ahead of family and love and personal development. I think they made terrible choices and many of them admit it around 65 years of age or so when they start to slow down and look at the real value they have produced in life and the regrets they have.

I am happier and more successful than any of the extremely wealthy people in my social circle-- and it is by a lot. They made the mistake of thinking more money was better, and they were wrong. Their children and families paid the price.

That’s great. You have made solid decisions. I’m not saying everyone should strive to be ultra rich. All I’m saying is, stop blaming the wealthy. Focus less on what others are doing and strive to be the best that you can be, without robbing others.

 

[ferrisjso]

Are you serious? The correlation is they are both being run by the government which is known for its bloat and inefficiency. That the plan was the ACA would cost less because more people were being covered, and it didn't cost less at all, it led to rates doubling. How does this not concern you at all?

ObamaCare is not run by the governemnt except Medicaid expansion. That is why liberals hate the other parts.

The Mandate is a federal requirement to buy PRIVATE insurance. It also did lead to rates increasing at a slightly lower pace, still immoral to force people to pay murderers and I'm very opposed to mandate and it was BS and that it's like delaying the Titanic sinking for two or three minutes for someone on the brink of medical bankruptcy.

It doesn't concern liberals because it's not what liberals wanted, we don't want the private market to exist at all that is the problem.

 

[ferrisjso]

That’s great. You have made solid decisions. I’m not saying everyone should strive to be ultra rich. All I’m saying is, stop blaming the wealthy. Focus less on what others are doing and strive to be the best that you can be, without robbing others.

Personal responsibility is cancer. It usually is a tactic used to distract people from people hurting them. Personal responsibility is just as stupid as blaming everyone for everything. No the merits say the wealthy are to blame for many of the issues in people's lives, why the fuck should people ignore that?

 

[franklinstower]

Are you serious? The correlation is they are both being run by the government which is known for its bloat and inefficiency. That the plan was the ACA would cost less because more people were being covered, and it didn't cost less at all, it led to rates doubling. How does this not concern you at all?

Obama is not president and he did not implement UHC and what he did the republicans fucked with and ruined.

I am talking about UHC for everyone and it will do way more and cost less money as discovered by the Koch brothers while funding a study to prove what you are saying.

I get it though. It is your religious anti government view that makes you think it can NEVER do better than private industry.

I don't care what you think man. Vote your conscience.

 

[Travis17]

Yeah rates were always going up, they've just slowed down due to Obamacare. Oh wait.
Health care premiums for 2018 set to go up by as much as 50 percent
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/10...-healthcare-premiums-increase-2018-50-percent

This is just one year. After rates have been continuing to rise since 2014.

 

[cincymma79]

I'm genuinely curious WTF is going on because I hear all sorts about how she's a dingbat who says nothing but crazy shit but I never see any good examples of this. The 70% tax rate thing is overblown and misrepresented so it's not a good example, for one. I think they're just projecting because in their world she's hot(-ish) and hot(-ish) women who are outgoing and independent aren't supposed to be smart too, just slutty.

Or she talks out of her ass and when called on it says I’m a woman of color

 

[Captain Davis]

Personal responsibility is cancer. It usually is a tactic used to distract people from people hurting them. Personal responsibility is just as stupid as blaming everyone for everything. No the merits say the wealthy are to blame for many of the issues in people's lives, why the fuck should people ignore that?

Lol at you blaming others for people who make poor decisions in life. Blaming others will get you nowhere. Personal responsibility is the only way. Depending on others is a terrible way to approach life. Your well being is your responsibility. End of story.