Opinion AOC = Trump of the Left.

[Travis17]

I get it though. It is your religious anti government view that makes you think it can NEVER do better than private industry.

It's my experience with being lied to consistently by the government. Seeing their waste and inefficiency along with the lies of ACA that make me highly skeptical about these so called theories. Koch brothers aren't trustworthy either imo.

 

[franklinstower]

That’s great. You have made solid decisions. I’m not saying everyone should strive to be ultra rich. All I’m saying is, stop blaming the wealthy. Focus less on what others are doing and strive to be the best that you can be, without robbing others.

The very wealth do not stop at becoming rich though. At a certain level of wealth its not about more money or stuff-- it becomes about controlling policy by using money to influence policy.

They go about shaping policies to allow them to extract more and more money from EVERYTHING and EVERYONE and they are able to do so because they have the time and resources to make it all happen. They lobby for lower wages, less regulations that protect people from their pollutants and chemicals etc etc.

Many extremely wealthy people are sick IMO, addicted to more and to work and generally resentful of anyone who did not make the shitty choices they made to get there, they are spiritually sick and empty inside and chasing something that will never fill them.

 

[Captain Davis]

It's my experience with being lied to consistently by the government. Seeing their waste and inefficiency along with the lies of ACA that make me highly skeptical about these so called theories. Koch brothers aren't trustworthy either imo.

Couldn’t agree more. The government doesn’t run anything efficiently. Just look at the shitstorm the VA is! That is a small scale version of what government sponsored healthcare will look like. NO THANKS.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Right. We already pay too much in taxes. Fuck paying more for people who aren’t motivated to get out of their situation. My idea of helping people doesn’t include penalizing others. Especially the ones who abtially contribute the most to society.

My idea would be competition across state lines with insurance companies. The competition will drive down costs.

I’ll never be ok with robbing the willing while rewarding the lazy.

And there are jobs out there. They may not be desirable, but they are out there.

We are ALWAYS going to subsidize people who can't afford health care, no matter what system we implement, that's a fact. Might as well make it as efficient as possible.

 

[franklinstower]

It's my experience with being lied to consistently by the government. Seeing their waste and inefficiency along with the lies of ACA that make me highly skeptical about these so called theories. Koch brothers aren't trustworthy either imo.

Private industry lies as much or more than the government and is even often behind the abuses that the government levels on people. There is no perfect solution to anything and there will be abuse no matter who does it or what is done.

I want everyone to have health care coverage so the abuse that is going to happen no matter what is done might as well be done implementing a system that helps the most people.

As a christian I cas support no other policy.

 

[ferrisjso]

Lol at you blaming others for people who make poor decisions in life. Blaming others will get you nowhere. Personal responsibility is the only way. Depending on others is a terrible way to approach life. Your well being is your responsibility. End of story.

And this is why common ground with conservatives will never be reached, you have shitty inconsistant values that have no place in the 21st century. People respond to emphathy and you shouldn't want success or recognition in a society that will only give it to you by stepping over others. People caring for you dependent on your success in life is inherently fake and shallow.,

 

[Captain Davis]

The very wealth do not stop at becoming rich though. At a certain level of wealth its not about more money or stuff-- it becomes about controlling policy by using money to influence policy.

They go about shaping policies to allow them to extract more and more money from EVERYTHING and EVERYONE and they are able to do so because they have the time and resources to make it all happen. They lobby for lower wages, less regulations that protect people from their pollutants and chemicals etc etc.

Many extremely wealthy people are sick IMO, addicted to more and to work and generally resentful of anyone who did not make the shitty choices they made to get there, they are spiritually sick and empty inside and chasing something that will never fill them.

What’s your point? The wealthy need therapy?

I don’t care what the wealthy do. They don’t dictate what I do with my life. My life is my responsibility, not the governments, the wealthy or the poor. I don’t focus on anyone else or measure what I do with others. I try to do the best so canvwith what I have and with the opportunities that I have available.

You are likely far more successful financially than me. That’s awesome! I don’t blame you for that, I applaud your effort.

 

[ferrisjso]

What’s your point? The wealthy need therapy?

I don’t care what the wealthy do. They don’t dictate what I do with my life. My life is my responsibility, not the governments, the wealthy or the poor. I don’t focus on anyone else or measure what I do with others. I try to do the best so canvwith what I have and with the opportunities that I have available.

You are likely far more successful financially than me. That’s awesome! I don’t blame you for that, I applaud your effort.

I mean they actually do. If you have a job your discounted labor is a part of the machine that creates their wealth.

 

[franklinstower]

What’s your point? The wealthy need therapy?

I don’t care what the wealthy do. They don’t dictate what I do with my life. My life is my responsibility, not the governments, the wealthy or the poor. I don’t focus on anyone else or measure what I do with others. I try to do the best so canvwith what I have and with the opportunities that I have available.

You are likely far more successful financially than me. That’s awesome! I don’t blame you for that, I applaud your effort.

You are free not to keep track of how the super wealthy buy politicians to shape policy to take even more wealth that would otherwise go to the people actually doing the fucking labor.

Some of us have the time and energy to do more.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Anyone who's okay with murderers being allowed to operate their business isn't a real American. You don't compromise on murder, heck single payer without criminal liability for these companies is unacceptable.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I'm for any system that covers or is affordable to everyone regardless of income or existing medical conditions, and has the chance to drive down costs. If that's a fully free market system, full blown single payer, or some hybrid, I couldn't care less. I'm not ideologically bound to any solution, though I have my opinion on which are the most likely to be successful.

 

[Captain Davis]

And this is why common ground with conservatives will never be reached, you have shitty inconsistant values that have no place in the 21st century. People respond to emphathy and you shouldn't want success or recognition in a society that will only give it to you by stepping over others. People caring for you dependent on your success in life is inherently fake and shallow.,

You live in a fantasy world. People are inherently greedy. Ones gratification and the well being of ones family is what motivates people. Without the reward of work, there is no motivation to excel.

 

[ferrisjso]

The very wealth do not stop at becoming rich though. At a certain level of wealth its not about more money or stuff-- it becomes about controlling policy by using money to influence policy.

They go about shaping policies to allow them to extract more and more money from EVERYTHING and EVERYONE and they are able to do so because they have the time and resources to make it all happen. They lobby for lower wages, less regulations that protect people from their pollutants and chemicals etc etc.

Many extremely wealthy people are sick IMO, addicted to more and to work and generally resentful of anyone who did not make the shitty choices they made to get there, they are spiritually sick and empty inside and chasing something that will never fill them.

More people need to understand this.

 

[ferrisjso]

You live in a fantasy world. People are inherently greedy. Ones gratification and the well being of ones family is what motivates people. Without the reward of work, there is no motivation to excel.

Just saying if people don't love you unconditionally it's fake.

There is no reward in work, it just helps people convince themselves sometimes they are doing something meaningful.

 

[Captain Davis]

And this is why common ground with conservatives will never be reached, you have shitty inconsistant values that have no place in the 21st century. People respond to emphathy and you shouldn't want success or recognition in a society that will only give it to you by stepping over others. People caring for you dependent on your success in life is inherently fake and shallow.,

So basically, you are a Socialist or Communist?

 

[Captain Davis]

Just saying if people don't love you unconditionally it's fake.

There is no reward in work, it just helps people convince themselves sometimes they are doing something meaningful.

I don’t care if people are fake. I do what’s best for me and people I care about. I don’t need sincerity, I just need respect at work.

People don’t have to personally like each other, but we do need to be able to work together.

 

[Captain Davis]

Just saying if people don't love you unconditionally it's fake.

There is no reward in work, it just helps people convince themselves sometimes they are doing something meaningful.

Meaning is personal to each person. The reward in work is the money you make for your time and skill. Also some get joy from what they do. I love my job. I’m not rich and never will be. However, I will never try to rob someone else, because of my life decisions.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Actually, I see it on a daily basis.

And my deadbeat boogeyman is no different than your “wealthy” boogeyman.

My what? Where did I ever mention that?

You see, I actually experience “deadbeats” every shift. They aren’t old, helpless people either. They are able bodied adults who work the system.

Don’t preach to me about poor helpless people. I know better. I don’t have to read shit on the internet, I see it for myself. I’ve grown up around it.

You're appealing to anecdotal evidence, something I can't refute but honestly is of little value to me. What I'm talking about is structural, just think about it for just a second. We live in a market economy, which is great because the market is excellent at distributing goods and services. But people who can't work aren't going to be inherently disadvantaged and that generally means the elderly, children, and the disabled. Are there able bodied adults who can but don't work because they are lazy? Sure, of course there are and that can't be avoided. But here's what the poor look like at the big picture level

Figure 1 shows that about a third of those living in poverty in 2017 were children, about an eighth were senior citizens, and more than half were working-age (18- to 64-year-olds) adults.

As in previous years, 18 to 64 year-old labor force nonparticipants living in poverty gave a variety of reasons for their nonparticipation. A third of this group were disabled, a quarter were caregivers, and almost a quarter were students. Only one in 10 were early retirees. Only 7 percent of nonparticipants—4 percent of the working-age poor overall—gave other reasons for nonparticipation.

So over half of the poor are children, the elderly, the disabled, or caretakers of them.

It’s not the governments or society’s job to take care of the poor. It should be up to churches and/or humanitarian groups.

Most poor people are in their situation because of poor life decisions. That’s not my fault.

Those aren't mutually exclusive, actually they should be mutually reinforcing. The state can help poor people in ways churches and humanitarian groups can't and vice versa. The state is no replacement for community level, grassroots organizing and charity but that shouldn't mean we should only rely on the latter.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

The dancing thing is funny. Maybe you're just humorless. I would also want to deflect if I was ideologically aligned with proud boys and mgtows.

I merely stated that it's odd how you guys thought Trump wanted to make sure the rich wouldn't continue to fuck the common man, and now when someone actually proposes a single policy, you guys load your diapers.

If you think that's white knighting, maybe you're just a snarky dipshit.

There was great criticism of AOC before her little redistribution of wealth policy.

Oooo no not snarky!

 

[jeffk]

Max Boot wrote a column on how AOC views facts like Trump in early January. He said at the end she is more like Palin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...mp-does/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0b25024be003

What makes Ocasio-Cortez’s errors especially troubling was her response when called out by Anderson Cooper on “60 Minutes.” “I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” she complained.

Ocasio-Cortez partially redeemed herself with a tweet the next day: “Fact-checking is critically important. It’s not always fun. But that’s okay! It pushes me to be better.”

But her initial response displayed a cavalier attitude toward the truth similar to that of President Trump — who is, to be sure, a far more energetic purveyor of falsehoods.

 

[ferrisjso]

I don't know what you're talking about.

I'm for any system that covers or is affordable to everyone regardless of income or existing medical conditions, and has the chance to drive down costs. If that's a fully free market system, full blown single payer, or some hybrid, I couldn't care less. I'm not ideologically bound to any solution, though I have my opinion on which are the most likely to be successful.

Health Insurers are inherent murderers based on their business model you allowing them to continue to exist is not acceptable. That isn't ideological, I want the slaughter to end.