Opinion AOC = Trump of the Left.

[kpt018]

I get that. That’s something he has to get control of. I think he has gotten better, but he’s got a long way to go. Again, he’s not a seasoned politician, that was what I liked about him.

Also, don’t think politicians don’t feel the same way he does over issues important to them. They just know how to play the game and/or have dozens of handlers telling them what to say or do.

It's a personality flaw vs having experience or being an insider. I understand why people want folks outside of the system to disrupt what they feel is an unfair system but what I'm referring to is simply put childish behavior. The guy behaves like a teenage brat when he doesn't get what he wants and his only response is to bully.

 

[Captain Davis]

But that's false even ignoring MMT. It makes you an advocate for murder, not a murderer but in a democracy the advocates for murder have a large say in it continuing. There's many ways the insurance industry kills that's one of them, they can kill by coercing people not to use their insurance with expensive copays and deductibles, they can kill by denying claims or only approving cheaper treatments, they can kill by premium increases making insurance impossible to afford.

Stop endorsing killing my people and I can be very reasonable. Instead you're endorsing the slaughter of Americans. Don't we intervene when other countries do that shit?

The scientist hypoethical is cute. We believe in something happening because it is happening. Is this sort of logic applied to religion by the right?

I bet you believe climate change and personal health care is murder, but abortion is a woman’s right.

 

[Captain Davis]

It's a personality flaw vs having experience or being an insider. I understand why people want folks outside of the system to disrupt what they feel is an unfair system but what I'm referring to is simply put childish behavior. The guy behaves like a teenage brat when he doesn't get what he wants and his only response is to bully.

I understand that and agree. Still better than Hillary though.

 

[kpt018]

I understand that and agree. Still better than Hillary though.

Cool. I disagree with the idea he's better than Hillary (I think she's far better) but I appreciate civil disagreement!

 

[Captain Davis]

Cool. I disagree with the idea he's better than Hillary (I think she's far better) but I appreciate civil disagreement!

Well, we have different ideas as to what we think is the best course of government action. It’s ok to disagree. I’m sure we could compromise on things by trying to really do what’s right and not play stupid political games like the real politicians do.

 

[JDragon]

Well, we have different ideas as to what we think is the best course of government action. It’s ok to disagree. I’m sure we could compromise on things by trying to really do what’s right and not play stupid political games like the real politicians do.

Bolded key word. A decisive flaw of the American political system, at least the way it has developed in the last decades, is (IMO) that it is not encouraging compromise and consensus seeking. To Trump, it is all about ''winning", but the other side acts in a similar manner in order not to look like idiots. It's something I never understood about Trump tbh. Someone who wrote/gave his name for a book called Art of the Deal should understand that ideally everyone involved in a negotiation walks away with the feeling that they didn't lose out. It's exactly the feeling Trump seems to want to give everyone he works with, though.

 

[Captain Davis]

Bolded key word. A decisive flaw of the American political system, at least the way it has developed in the last decades, is (IMO) that it is not encouraging compromise and consensus seeking. To Trump, it is all about ''winning", but the other side acts in a similar manner in order not to look like idiots. It's something I never understood about Trump tbh. Someone who wrote/gave his name for a book called Art of the Deal should understand that ideally everyone involved in a negotiation walks away with the feeling that they didn't lose out. It's exactly the feeling Trump seems to want to give everyone he works with, though.

He tried to compromise on this wall deal several times. Pelosi is the one who dug in her heels and wouldn’t budge. You can’t just blame Trump. It’s been this way for a long time.

 

[Travis17]

Stop endorsing killing my people and I can be very reasonable.

Who are your people? You can't be American. Your English is terrible. I'm not endorsing the slaughter of Americans. Jesus Christ.

The scientist hypoethical is cute. We believe in something happening because it is happening. Is this sort of logic applied to religion by the right?

You don't believe in science. I hate that retarded question, "Do you believe in science?" You recognize what the scientific method has allowed us to achieve in understanding the world and universe around us. There is still human error and corruption that can lead us to think something is proven that is not true.

No one is denying the temperature changes that have occurred. What people are questioning, is whether or not it's apart of the natural change in the temperature or if it's man made and how much of it is man made as well. People are also rightly skeptical because climate change scientists keep flip flopping. It use to be there was an ice age coming 40 years ago. I'm old enough to recall when it was called global warming and it turned out some of the data had been fabricated, so they rebranded it as climate change.

 

[ferrisjso]

I bet you believe climate change and personal health care is murder, but abortion is a woman’s right.

Well it's disputable whether fetuses are alive but I get the concern for people who firmly believe they are if they treat clearly living people the same. Like if one is a climate deiner and doesn't support single payer you're full of shit cause you're advocating for the death of the living but the life of the fetus.

My position on abortion is that it being legal does not require people to get abortions, it keeps the option of having safe abortions open. Before Roe women were dying en masse from illegal dangerous abortions, they are going to try to abort the pregnancies anyway often with fatal results this is why it was such an issue in the 60s and 70s. This needs to be prevented. People also misunderstand the late term abortion laws to be designed for women 8 months into a pregnancy who just are like "you know, don't feel like having a kid couldn't make this decision until the last second" when in reality these laws are designed for late pregnancy emergencies. But yeah it's pro choice because pro choice doesn't mean pro abortion it means pro choice. Don't know how many people are out there excited about murdering fucking fetuses.

Generally though I'm looking more for the quality of life of the baby and if the baby is going to be put in an economically misreable position, perhaps having the child is a greater evil than aborting it(I firmly believe that it is more evil to bring a kid into a fucked up situation they will have to endure for decades rather than aborting them)? For example was watching a doc that attributed the lowering of crime rates not to draconian broken window law and order policing but rather to it being the time when the pregnancies prevented by the Roe ruling, children born into predominantly negative situations and thus been more likely to commit crimes would have come of age. You are creating more of a troubled class by forcing pregnancies to term women are not prepared to support, and yet pro life people tend to be very anti supporting these sorts of people once they are undisputedly alive. If you are pro life perhaps you should incentivize the behavior you want.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

She attracts a lot of very lonely leftists with that "adoring fan" effect. It's quite sad really that she will never be taken seriously due to her low IQ, crap tier charisma, shitty agenda yet she will be taken very seriously by the incels of the left and the ones that purely just want a woman, a minority woman, in power.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Did AOC turn into a bitter caricature of an old man who makes insane claims about himself at the center of the universe?

 

[ferrisjso]

Who are your people? You can't be American. Your English is terrible. I'm not endorsing the slaughter of Americans. Jesus Christ.

You don't believe in science. I hate that retarded question, "Do you believe in science?" You recognize what the scientific method has allowed us to achieve in understanding the world and universe around us. No one is denying the temperature changes that have occurred. What people are questioning, is whether or not it's apart of the natural change in the temperature or if it's man made and how much of it is man made as well. People are also rightly skeptical because climate change scientists keep flip flopping. It use to be there was an ice age coming 40 years ago. I'm old enough to recall when it was called global warming and it turned out some of the data had been fabricated, so they rebranded it as climate change.

We know it's man made. It's not up for debate. The people who say otherwise are criminals and that "global cooling talking point" is just a climate denail talking point.

It was rebranded as climate change because of the right mocking global warming, that way they could say it was "climate" and climate always change. This was not a voluntary rebranding decision. It was one climate skeptics largely are responsible for and that everyone else went with.

 

[JDragon]

He tried to compromise on this wall deal several times. Pelosi is the one who dug in her heels and wouldn’t budge. You can’t just blame Trump. It’s been this way for a long time.

Yeah that's what I am saying. I am arguing that part of the issue is that in the normal world, people would hold a common press conference after negotiations have concluded and shake hands and smile and say something like 'We both have had to cede some ground and now have found a good compromise that both sides can live with for the sake of the country'.

In the era of Trump, you just know Trump would hit Twitter to gloat about his big win and how his political opponents caved in. It's just something Democrats don't want for the looks alone already imo.

Regarding compromise, well, the Dreamer vs Wall funding compromise had been on the table a year ago already.

 

[hillelslovak87]

She attracts a lot of very lonely leftists with that "adoring fan" effect. It's quite sad really that she will never be taken seriously due to her low IQ, crap tier charisma, shitty agenda yet she will be taken very seriously by the incels of the left and the ones that purely just want a woman, a minority woman, in power.

Dude, the hyper leftists are the ones white knighting feminists trying to get laid. The incels are the MGTOW, proud boys and all these other weirdos on the right who reeee at women they are hostile to.

What did she do to piss you guys off? Did she dance again?

Trump comes in and build a following bemoaning the bifurcated economy, makes it worse, and you're bitching about some rep who wants to tax the fuck out of the hyper rich. Bitch, please.

 

[sickc0d3r]

It's not just the cable news. It's the entire media establishment. Television and movies. It's the tech industry. It's in our education. It's everywhere.

Progressive policies are absurd. You can't afford universal health care without taxing everyone much, much higher. To the point that $15 an hour will still not be enough to afford to live comfortably. Getting out of wars? Last I checked the left was arguing how we need to stay in Syria, because Trump announced we're leaving. Obama also overthrew Gaddafi in Libya, which led to the rebel leaders taking over and beginning to enslave the populace. You hear the media complaining about that, or the government talking about intervening to free all those slaves in Libya from rebel leaders we empowered? Hell no. Green deal? So we need to pay even more in taxes so other countries pollute less? Like a protection racket? We still have no idea whether humanity is having an impact on the climate, and if so, how much is it changing it. Expanding social security? LOL more taxes. How about people be responsible and set up their own retirement plans out of their paychecks instead of having the government do it for you and fail at it?

Progressive policies are a joke. It's about manipulating people's natural instinct and good will to help each other into irresponsible self-destruction.

"The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." -Winston Churchill

Basically we'll all be living in poverty and like third worlders under socialism, with a tiny amount of middle managers, and of course the top 1% that control 99% of the wealth.

Ok, but, just focusing on health care, progressives are the only ones with any policy at all. And their ideas are based on more successful systems that currently exist in other countries. What in your mind is the alternative? Conservatives have no plan. How about we talk about solutions to real problems that actually affect people, instead of pretending illegal immigration which hit a 46 year low in 2017, trannies influencing our kids, and CNN being unfair to Trump are the big issues we need to tackle?

The average annual health care coverage per family is 28k a year, with employers generally paying 2/3rd of that. That's costing folks in lost wages to benefits plus out of pocket expenses before a single visit to the doctor about half of a middle class salary. Never mind if someone actually gets sick. This shouldn't be a partisan debate. Nobody likes insurance companies, nobody likes the pharmaceutical industry, nobody likes not being sure what's covered and what isn't, enrolling in plans that change every year, costs fluctuating, getting bills for months from every doctor that waved at you during a hospital visit, etc, etc. Nobody thinks a $100k+ bill for a little kid's four night stay in the hospital due to extremely common RSV is reasonable. Yet only one side seems to want to address it.

 

[Travis17]

We know it's man made. It's not up for debate.

 

[Captain Davis]

Yeah that's what I am saying. I am arguing that part of the issue is that in the normal world, people would hold a common press conference after negotiations have concluded and shake hands and smile and say something like 'We both have had to cede some ground and now have found a good compromise that both sides can live with for the sake of the country'.

In the era of Trump, you just know Trump would hit Twitter to gloat about his big win and how his political opponents caved in. It's just something Democrats don't want for the looks alone already imo.

Regarding compromise, well, the Dreamer vs Wall funding compromise had been on the table a year ago already.

And since the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Dreamers, the Dems already got what they wanted, so no deal, no compromise, just RESIST.

Funny thing is Pelisi was all for it when it was Obama’s idea.

Gotta love politics.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Dude, the hyper leftists are the ones white knighting feminists trying to get laid. The incels are the MGTOW, proud boys and all these other weirdos on the right who reeee at women they are hostile to.

What did she do to piss you guys off? Did she dance again?

Trump comes in and build a following bemoaning the bifurcated economy, makes it worse, and you're bitching about some rep who wants to tax the fuck out of the hyper rich. Bitch, please.

This right here folks is a terrific example of a AOC lefty white knight. They cannot help themselves but to white knight her and they always mention something about her dancing for some odd reason.

 

[Captain Davis]

Ok, but, just focusing on health care, progressives are the only ones with any policy at all. And their ideas are based on more successful systems that currently exist in other countries. What in your mind is the alternative? Conservatives have no plan. How about we talk about solutions to real problems that actually affect people, instead of pretending illegal immigration which hit a 46 year low in 2017, trannies influencing our kids, and CNN being unfair to Trump are the big issues we need to tackle?

The average annual health care coverage per family is 28k a year, with employers generally paying 2/3rd of that. That's costing folks in lost wages to benefits plus out of pocket expenses before a single visit to the doctor about half of a middle class salary. Never mind if someone actually gets sick. This shouldn't be a partisan debate. Nobody likes insurance companies, nobody likes the pharmaceutical industry, nobody likes not being sure what's covered and what isn't, enrolling in plans that change every year, costs fluctuating, getting bills for months from every doctor that waved at you during a hospital visit, etc, etc. Nobody thinks a $100k+ bill for a little kid's four night stay in the hospital due to extremely common RSV is reasonable. Yet only one side seems to want to address it.

Simply stated, as someone who took a job mainly for benefits and have paid my fair share of taxes for over 30 years - I’m not going to continue to pay my share AND fit the bill for deadbeats. If everyone is paying for it, what’s the motivation for deadbeats to even try to be a contributor?

 

[ferrisjso]

Yes cite fox news very good. Checkmate. Tucker occasingly does good pieces and all but climate denial is treasonous horse shit.