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All Time GOAT poll

AnotherOldGuy said:
Anderson and Fedor tapped to chokes, which are far less dangerous than head strikes (ask any doctor -- there's a reason several countries' medical associations want to ban boxing and MMA, but no country's association wants to ban judo or BJJ). If GSP is illegible, then they are even less eligible.

Least dangerous thing to tap to is chokes (no long term or short term damage if the ref stops it, which always happens).
Medium danger thing to tap to is arm and leg locks (small long term damage, major short term damage which can be repaired by modern surgery).
Most dangerous thing to tap to is head strikes (lifelong neurological damage which can't be repaired by any medical science).
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Fedor didn't tap to a choke. He tapped to the armbar. Werdum is known to transition from triangle to to armbar. Same way he submitted Zentsov. If he didn't tap his arm would surely be broken
 
welcometohavoc said:
Even if that were objectively true (and it isn't), his resume speaks for itself. Unlike Fedor and Anderson, virtually every fight GSP had in the UFC/Pride was a top 10 fight...and he won 95% of them
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Fedor has also fought almost twice as many opponents as GSP.
 
Typrune Goatley said:
Fedor didn't tap to a choke. He tapped to the armbar. Werdum is known to transition from triangle to to armbar. Same way he submitted Zentsov. If he didn't tap his arm would surely be broken
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My bad, thanks. Tapping to an armbar is still tapping to a lesser danger than to head strikes. Modern medicine routinely fixes broken arms. Modern medicine can't do anything to repair the neurological damage from head strikes.

Personally I picked Fedor as my number one fighter; I just think saying that tapping to strikes is worse than to chokes or armbars shows a complete lack of medical knowledge. Any doctor will tell you the potential long term damage from strikes is far worse.
 
Jopo said:
A lot of people? I think most people forgive fighters for losing at the tail end of their career like any other sport.

If you didn't watch a fighters full career I don't want to hear someone elses opinion about their career because you seriously can't possibly know.

and another point... if GSP came back and lost 5 in a row you'd look down on him even though youre a fan? You'd think his career is marred at least? That's just unfair and ridiculous.

I don't even like GSP but if he came back tomorrow and got Ko'd by Tyron Woodley i'd respect him more for trying.
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Not really, not considering a fighter GOAT due to bad loses, poor fight choices or hanging about too long isn't looking down on that fighter.

I respect BJ Penn for example and recognize he did a lot in his career, but am also aware that the latter part of his MMA record losing 6 fights on the bounce cannot just be written off like 'ow well 11 years ago he beat Sherk...GOAT!!' these loses, these beating the fighters take don't mean we look down on them be they certinaly mean something in the whole picture of their career.

Choosing to think a fighter is the best ever in spite of his late career rather than choosing to believe he is not inspite of his glory days is essentially the same thing-Your not wrong, I'm not wrong, it's just a matter of how we see it.
 
For me, it's Fedor.

He dominated a division where the biggest fighters are. PRIDE had the best HW division as well so this whole "he never fought in the UFC" argument is silly. He is 8-1 against UFC HW Champs. Undersized nonetheless. He was tested and never failed, not to mention if everyone was juicing in PRIDE then it was a level playing field.

Jones has been juicing his entire career. Too many question marks for me no matter how great he is.

Anderson, same thing.

GSP is right behind Fedor.
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
Anderson and Fedor tapped to chokes, which are far less dangerous than head strikes (ask any doctor -- there's a reason several countries' medical associations want to ban boxing and MMA, but no country's association wants to ban judo or BJJ). If GSP is illegible, then they are even less eligible.

Least dangerous thing to tap to is chokes (no long term or short term damage if the ref stops it, which always happens).
Medium danger thing to tap to is arm and leg locks (small long term damage, major short term damage which can be repaired by modern surgery).
Most dangerous thing to tap to is head strikes (lifelong neurological damage which can't be repaired by any medical science).
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You know who’s never tapped? To Strikes or Chokes/subs?
<JonesLaugh>
#1 Goat
 
So GSP got 2x more votes than JBJ?

Wasn't expecting this.
The JBJ fan base is so annoying here,
I felt there was more of em'.
 
GrayArea said:
How can GSP be goat when Jon Jones would literally kill him anyway he wants?

Also 99% of Canadian sherdoggers vote for gsp out of bias because that’s the only relevant champion their country has ever produced
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This. GSP would have nothing for Jones. And beyond that, as great as GSP's career is on paper, I think he loses to every guy on that list if they were the same size.

I could understand saying GSP is goat if Jones was still 25 and had 1 or 2 defenses. Like an Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady thing. But this is like Rodgers getting to 5 titles and people saying "well Brady has 6, so he's still the goat."
 
Ritler said:
Threads fresh after news like a gsp retirement always skew the results.

GSP tapped to strikes. He is ineligible. This is not open for discussion.
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Silva tapped to a flying sub. Ineligible.

Fedor didn't fight in the ufc. Ineligible.

Jones has the most positive PED tests in mma history. Ineligible.

See it's easy to discredit anyone with some imaginary criteria that suits my argument, dummy.
 
GrayArea said:
How can GSP be goat when Jon Jones would literally kill him anyway he wants?

Also 99% of Canadian sherdoggers vote for gsp out of bias because that’s the only relevant champion their country has ever produced
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Ok lets add up all the brazillian votes (Aldo + Silva). Ohhhh booooo fucking hoo still not even 25% of GSP's numbers you fucking halfwit.
 
ThunderStruck said:
Ok lets add up all the brazillian votes (Aldo + Silva). Ohhhh booooo fucking hoo still not even 10% of GSP's numbers you fucking halfwit.
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Jones is the goat. He‘d murder gsp in the cage, literally
 
GrayArea said:
How can GSP be goat when Jon Jones would literally kill him anyway he wants?

Also 99% of Canadian sherdoggers vote for gsp out of bias because that’s the only relevant champion their country has ever produced
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What a salty post. Lol.
 
GrayArea said:
Jones is the goat. He‘d murder gsp in the cage, literally
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GSP would requires VADA testing and Jones wouldnt even be able to make it to the cage to begin with.

GSP GOAT, and 100% clean.

Deal with it, loser.
 
"GSP would requires VADA testing and Jones wouldnt even be able to make it to the cage to begin with."

Well Ngannou would kill Jones in the ring... does that make Ngannou GOAT? Nope
 
ThunderStruck said:
GSP would requires VADA testing and Jones wouldnt even be able to make it to the cage to begin with.

GSP GOAT, and 100% clean.

Deal with it, loser.
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Jones has competed under usada more than greaseSP

And Jones literally kills gsp anyway he wants whenever he wants
 
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