All Time GOAT poll

[wilKO]

If I fought in an organization that allowed brass knuckles, using brass knuckles would not be cheating.
If I then join a new organization that doesn't allow them, but I do anyway, most clear minded people would consider that cheating.

It's really simple. I swear people change the goal posts and pretend nothing happened.

 

[Jopo]

LOL GSP in the lead just because he retired recently. Give it a few months and the short-memory people will go back to someone else.

Love GSP. Great guy, incredible fighter, and definitely one of the best. But...got finished twice during his prime years. Fedor went 10 years unbeaten in MMA AND combat sambo. GSP got the brakes beat off of him by Hendricks, no rematch...GSP flat out refused to fight at MW, until Bisping was champ....then GSP was suddenly too ill to defend the title.

size comparison. Now consider 1 is a WW and the other fought at HW with no weight limits.

agreed with every word of this. I'm not a hater I respect GSP as a man. but as you said these were all facts.

 

[ZOD66]

Jon Jones have the best ever arsenal of weapons HE is GOAT

 

[Felsh]

Negged for no Franscis Ngannou.

 

[Felsh]

Hardest fighter to beat - Jones (Prime Fedor has a small tiny shadow of doubt here)

Overcoming adversity/most epic streak - Fedor (Anderson has reasonable shadow of doubt here)

Most spectacular - ANderson (no others are close)

Most decorated / superficial record : GSP (I don't buy into MM's record so GSP no-brainer unless you say Jones. BUt he has done himself disservice in this aspect because of obvious reasons)


As someone who inst exactly a fan of GSP, you can't deny him a top 4 spot in G.O.A.T. list (DC 5th imo)

but the top 4 is up in the air, at least to a degree.

I can choose between Anderson/Jones/Fedor, as for the embodiment of fighting, but GSP is decorated af. There is no downplaying him. Anywhere you have him in the top 4 you can make argument for.

 

[Your Noodly Master]

No. People exclude Jones because he cheated when he took PEDs. He took it in an organisation that doesn't allow them. Therefore he took them to gain an illegal advantage over his opponents who obeyed the rules. No one gives a shit about fighters taking PEDs. They care about fairness. If everyone can take PEDs then cool. If no one can then cool. Fedor fits the bill. Jones doesn't.

There needs to be two polls for the GOAT discussion:

One for the greatest fighter ever without regard to allegations, drug tests, etc. - just based on talent. Jones wins it easily. You cannot dispute his talent as a fighter with or without failed tests. This is how I evaluate GOAT polls.

The other method, which it seems that you employ, weighs failed drug tests heavily, thus disregarding a fighter's previous body of work where tests were not failed. GSP would be the wise choice.

 

[jeremyemilio]

I'll repeat myself:

GSP is the GOAT,

26-2 in MMA, 20-2 in the UFC
Avenged both loses
Holds record for the most UFC title wins (13)
Tied first for the most UFC title fights (15)
Tied second for the most UFC wins (20)
Tied third for the most consecutive UFC title defences (9)
Two division champion
Did not lose a round between 2007 (Matt Serra) to 2011 (Jake Shields)
Second for the most consecutive rounds won (33)
Won first belt in 2006, last belt in 2018, on top for 12 years.
Retired on top

Want more?

Most strikes landed in the UFC (2591)
Most takedowns landed in the UFC (90)
Most guard passes in the UFC (114)

Anyone who disagrees with GSP being the GOAT, disagrees with facts.

Naw.

There are still a few of us who really don't buy into the pound for pound thing. It's not that I disagree with the idea of guys fighting guys who are around their own size... but that doesn't change the fact that weight divisions are essentially in place to protect guys like GSP from guys like Fedor.

I'm a really big GSP fan, and think he'd have beaten Anderson if that fight had happened. And I will admit that if I pretend for a moment that weight classes are like, say, gender divisions, or different eras, then GSP is easily GOAT.

But when we step back and acknowledge that GSP and Fedor are both men, and both dominated in (more or less) the same era, it's hard to just ignore the fact that Fedor would have kicked GSP's ass.

 

[Your Noodly Master]

DC is LHW GOAT, Fedor is HW GOAT. This is actually a fact, DC hasn't had enough HW fights to be HW GOAT and other then DC who could be LHW GOAT? Reminder Jones is in the cheating GOAT category but I do have Jones as the #1 GOAT of the cheaters

"This is actually a fact" . LOL

 

[r-harper-1]

Jones
Gsp


Anyone who voted for padded record MM SHould get yellows imo

 

[r-harper-1]

Naw.

There are still a few of us who really don't buy into the pound for pound thing. It's not that I disagree with the idea of guys fighting guys who are around their own size... but that doesn't change the fact that weight divisions are essentially in place to protect guys like GSP from guys like Fedor.

I'm a really big GSP fan, and think he'd have beaten Anderson if that fight had happened. And I will admit that if I pretend for a moment that weight classes are like, say, gender divisions, or different eras, then GSP is easily GOAT.

But when we step back and acknowledge that GSP and Fedor are both men, and both dominated in (more or less) the same era, it's hard to just ignore the fact that Fedor would have kicked GSP's ass.

Closer fight then you think imo lol

 

[Your Noodly Master]

These haters .....

Jones has 1 fight overturned for a failed test, a fight he won by KO. Ok, throw it out.
Aside from Gustafson no one, including Cormier, has even been close to beating him. How many test failures in those 21 wins? Zero, which equals his losses (don't even mention Hamill). He was the GOAT and dominant for years before the second Cormier fight.

 

[r-harper-1]

Another make believe thread.

The MMA GOAT can only be a HW champ.

This is not boxing. Boxing takes more skill so it makes sense to compare skills between weight classes.

This is fighting fighting.

The GOAT is 100% Fedor. And after Fedor it's not GSP or Anderson, it's someone like Big Nog, or Werdum or Cain.

GSP is the WW GOAT without a question. MM is the flyweight GOAT, Aldo is the FW GOAT, LW, MW and LHW are up for grabs, although DC is probably the LHW GOAT, and a strong contender at HW too.

Anderson and Jones just the GOAT cheaters, and that's not a cute nickname, they are the actual GOAT cheaters. Anderson is only second to Jones, and Jones is second to none.

Somebody explain the meaning of P4p to this assclown

 

[JPM1223]

Undisputed, untainted GOAT.

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THIS the man. The myth. The legend .FEDOR EMELIANENKO.

 

[mahavishnunj]

we are still caring about this meaningless nonsense?

 

[Mangar]

Troll not putting Conor in there

 

[DatSamboKid]

Naw.

There are still a few of us who really don't buy into the pound for pound thing. It's not that I disagree with the idea of guys fighting guys who are around their own size... but that doesn't change the fact that weight divisions are essentially in place to protect guys like GSP from guys like Fedor.

I'm a really big GSP fan, and think he'd have beaten Anderson if that fight had happened. And I will admit that if I pretend for a moment that weight classes are like, say, gender divisions, or different eras, then GSP is easily GOAT.

But when we step back and acknowledge that GSP and Fedor are both men, and both dominated in (more or less) the same era, it's hard to just ignore the fact that Fedor would have kicked GSP's ass.

GOAT rankings is based on achievements, not imaginary match ups.

 

[Ritler]

Threads fresh after news like a gsp retirement always skew the results.

GSP tapped to strikes. He is ineligible. This is not open for discussion.

 

[Greg House]

"All time GOAT"? Hell, what does GOAT even mean these days? GOAT already means the "greatest fighter of all time". It's not so hard to know who is when you think about it. The greatest fighter of a generation is the one that faced the greatest fighters of that era and beat them, then you compare his resume with other greatest fighters from other generations and the one that has the most impressive career is the greatest fighter of all time. As simple as that.

Weight divisions were invented to protect these "GOATs" that are in this poll from greater fighters that would have abused their size advantage over them. That way GOAT Johnson didn't have to worry about GOAT Aldo owning him in a one sided match. And GOAT Aldo didn't have to worry about GOAT GSP owning him in a one sided match. And GOAT GSP didn't have to worry about GOAT Jones owning him in a one sided match. And we all end up watching competitive fights instead of one sided beatings that feel unfair for the little guy. It works. It's good for business and entertainment.

Now if you guys LOVE the word GOAT so much that you want to use it on your favorite fighter of a division based on some P4P rankings that ignores the fact that they would get demolished by the greatest fighter of their generation if it weren't for weight classes. That's fine. But maybe we should invent another word other than "GOAT" to actually describe the greatest fighter of all time, the one that is actually... the greatest fighter, don't you think?

I mean from a P4P perspective, I don't think heavies are as skilled as welters and feathers, they overcompensate with power what they seem to lack on technique, cardio and skill. And the technical guys get knocked out by these guys while in other divisions those knock outs aren't that frequent and the technical guy is not at the end of an upset as often. The KO ratio on HW is way bigger than in those divisions so it's much harder to stay undefeated against many opponents even if the fighter is better than them. So because of this a P4P comparison is unfair for the record of the HW but a real fight would be unfair for these P4P GOATs that are protected by divisions.

 

[Kinger85]

Jones. Greatest in cage competitor I have ever seen, PED's be damned.

My P4P list is Jones, GSP, Anderson, Cormier, Fedor, Aldo, Johnson

 

[Perrichet]

DC should be on the list. GSP is the GOAT though