Regimen Alexander Karelin - Resistance Bands?

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Not really it isn't. What coach has the time to program for enough people to make a great living while also having to answer detailed questions about every aspect of ones lifestyle? AI is the only thing that makes any sense unless you yourself are a robot and are going to stay up all night every night configuring the calculations for thousands of trainees at one time.

A coach who does that as their main job and has the appropriate amount of clients they can manage.

AI is just the equivalent of using 5/3/1 and having something tell you how many reps to do in that final set based off some data and other peoples previous results in a database.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

No they aren't. People can't be honest with themselves, your RPE 10 might actually only be your RPE 8 when your coach says you have more in you. Plenty of time I thought I hit my max for that exercise, was told to make a big jump next week and hit another PR for that lift. Bar speed devices are ok, but that's only for specific types of sessions. A coach can do the same thing in session. AI can't tell i am flat because I slept poorly, had a car accident on the way to the session and just got a huge bill.

I can tell it my sleep and stress are bad, but a coach can know me enough to say to pullback from the stress or push to have a win for that day.

You evidently haven't taken a look. It in fact does ask you those questions. RPE is the poor mans way to measure bar speed that is all it is. If AI wasn't going to work then people wouldnt have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to create them. If a trainee cant be honest with themselves then how do you expect a PT to be honest with a client? Why would I trust a trainers judgement which includes human error in their own judgement when I can get a robot to take all emotion out and make the most logical decision?

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

It also makes sense to train for power when you achieve a certain level of maximal strength. It likely would translate very well into grappling or martial arts/MMA in general.

For example doing pull ups as fast as possible to chest/stomach/hips....

 

[maximus__]

You evidently haven't taken a look. It in fact does ask you those questions. RPE is the poor mans way to measure bar speed that is all it is. If AI wasn't going to work then people wouldnt have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to create them. If a trainee cant be honest with themselves then how do you expect a PT to be honest with a client? Why would I trust a trainers judgement which includes human error in their own judgement when I can get a robot to take all emotion out and make the most logical decision?

Yeah but it just will dial back the session. That's not always the answer. It's like tracking HRV. Sure it's a tool, but ultimately it just tells me to go easy if anything bad happens. I would never get to train hard if I used AI. It would tell me to pull things back every session.

People spent money on AI training apps to fill a niche in the market that requires no more input after setting up. It's just another source of set and forget income.

Clients are just people and are never honest about anything. Everyone wants to think they are better or worse than they are, hides things or sets limits on themselves.

AI is just the equivalent on a highly educated person spouting what they were taught. It's basically the coach spouting the latest course/qual they did before they have any experience in programming it. It's just giving the textbook answer based off an algorithm.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Yeah but it just will dial back the session. That's not always the answer. It's like tracking HRV. Sure it's a tool, but ultimately it just tells me to go easy if anything bad happens. I would never get to train hard if I used AI. It would tell me to pull things back every session.

People spent money on AI training apps to fill a niche in the market that requires no more input after setting up. It's just another source of set and forget income.

Clients are just people and are never honest about anything. Everyone wants to think they are better or worse than they are, hides things or sets limits on themselves.

AI is just the equivalent on a highly educated person spouting what they were taught. It's basically the coach spouting the latest course/qual they did before they have any experience in programming it. It's just giving the textbook answer based off an algorithm.

Do you even understand what you are saying? An algorithm is exactly what should be making the decision. What do you think happens when coach forgets to ask if your dog died or you had a late credit card payment and how your stress levels were on that particular day? Even if you dont forget to ask a client that how else are you making programming decisions other than your own algorithm that you have calculated in your mind? Maybe you guys think training is about blind faith in a coach that got his information from previous knowledge espoused to him by someone else. I could see hybrid method where a guy comes in and then uses a coach for help when they need it but all of the questions that must be answered before a session is the same thing whether it is with an AI app or a coach either calculating the exact same questions that you would ask the AI. If you actually need a coach to babysit you through a training session today then you might have problems that a coach cant solve. If you are physically handicapped in some way then you have bigger problems than an AI program telling what your training program should be.

 

[1rawdog]

You evidently haven't taken a look. It in fact does ask you those questions. RPE is the poor mans way to measure bar speed that is all it is. If AI wasn't going to work then people wouldnt have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to create them. If a trainee cant be honest with themselves then how do you expect a PT to be honest with a client? Why would I trust a trainers judgement which includes human error in their own judgement when I can get a robot to take all emotion out and make the most logical decision?

You keep dismissing the fact that humans gonna human. The fact that people might not be 100% honest in answering for one. That's not all RPE is. People spend money on shit that ain't gonna work all the time, plus no one said it will NEVER work. But the perfect AI for this at a consumer friendly price doesn't exsist at this time afaik.
You might trust a trainers judgement because he can see the look on your face. He remembers that 10 year old shoulder impingement injury you have. He knows that you are scared of a hammy injury because RDL's just feel funny to you. He knows if your goals are realistic based on his and your history. He notices that you showed up smelling like cheap whisky sweat and cigarette smoke. He saw you lose your balance when you bent over to pickup your water bottle. He knows that's your gym crush right in his mirror view doing pelvic thrusts.
The fact is there are human nuances to this shit. Cool with me if you don't get this part, I'm not gonna try to convince you.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You keep dismissing the fact that humans gonna human. The fact that people might not be 100% honest in answering for one. That's not all RPE is. People spend money on shit that ain't gonna work all the time, plus no one said it will NEVER work. But the perfect AI for this at a consumer friendly price doesn't exsist at this time afaik.
You might trust a trainers judgement because he can see the look on your face. He remembers that 10 year old shoulder impingement injury you have. He knows that you are scared of a hammy injury because RDL's just feel funny to you. He knows if your goals are realistic based on his and your history. He notices that you showed up smelling like cheap whisky sweat and cigarette smoke. He saw you lose your balance when you bent over to pickup your water bottle. He knows that's your gym crush right in his mirror view doing pelvic thrusts.
The fact is there are human nuances to this shit. Cool with me if you don't get this part, I'm not gonna try to convince you.

I said earlier that if you actually cared about your goal then you would do the work and if you didnt then you wouldnt. That includes answering questions honestly either to an AI program created by a human or a trainer. They already have injury protocols within AI systems and if your injury is that bad you dont need a trainer you need a doctor and a physical therapist.

You are literally telling me that if I came to you for a training session that by the look on my face it would tell me how many sets and reps to do?

You shouldn't try to convince me because it is completely illogical.

Your emotions do not matter in training. They are completely fake.

 

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Do you even understand what you are saying? An algorithm is exactly what should be making the decision. What do you think happens when coach forgets to ask if your dog died or you had a late credit card payment and how your stress levels were on that particular day? Even if you dont forget to ask a client that how else are you making programming decisions other than your own algorithm that you have calculated in your mind? Maybe you guys think training is about blind faith in a coach that got his information from previous knowledge espoused to him by someone else. I could see hybrid method where a guy comes in and then uses a coach for help when they need it but all of the questions that must be answered before a session is the same thing whether it is with an AI app or a coach either calculating the exact same questions that you would ask the AI.

Why? You can literally see how someone is warming up and how their work sets are going. An algorithm can't.
Someone likes to talk a heap in between sets, but today they don't, you can pick up on that interaction in person.

If someone is simply taking more rest between sets than usual you can pick up on them being flat.

AI can't do that. It's effectively just percentage based programming, that adjusts down if you say you are tired or maintained if you say you are good.

There is more blind faith in AI. You are effectively trusting a google search to program for you.

 

[maximus__]

I said earlier that if you actually cared about your goal then you would do the work and if you didnt then you wouldnt. That includes answering questions honestly either to an AI program created by a human or a trainer. They already have injury protocols within AI systems and if your injury is that bad you dont need a trainer you need a doctor and a physical therapist.

You are literally telling me that if I came to you for a training session that by the look on my face it would tell me how many sets and reps to do?

You shouldn't try to convince me because it is completely illogical.

Your emotions do not matter in training. They are completely fake.

You can't tell when someone on your baseball team is having a bad day, bad practice or a bad game and it's dropping their performance?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Why? You can literally see how someone is warming up and how their work sets are going. An algorithm can't.
Someone likes to talk a heap in between sets, but today they don't, you can pick up on that interaction in person.

If someone is simply taking more rest between sets than usual you can pick up on them being flat.

AI can't do that. It's effectively just percentage based programming, that adjusts down if you say you are tired or maintained if you say you are good.

There is more blind faith in AI. You are effectively trusting a google search to program for you.

RPE and bar speed during warm up sets helps determine working sets for the session. I dont think it is possible for a human to calculate how much energy it takes somebody to utter a sentence to a coach and how much that should effect the work set as that is just splitting hairs. It is like going into an mma match and saying wow that guy looks incredibly confident today we will award him 2 points before the fight even starts. All programming is percentage based programming whether we like it or not. You are always coaching load with or without AI. Emotions are completely fake. Did the guy lift with his normal calculated bar speed during his warm up or didnt he? Did He squat with nearly identical technique during his worksets at the same bar speed as the last session?

 

[1rawdog]

RPE and bar speed during warm up sets helps determine working sets for the session. Not neccesarily I dont think it is possible for a human to calculate how much energy it takes somebody to utter a sentence to a coach and how much that should effect the work set as that is just splitting hairs. Correct which AI can't do very well It is like going into an mma match and saying wow that guy looks incredibly confident today Oh so maybe you do get it? That would deserve consideration wouldn't it? Could affect your gameplan no? we will award him 2 points before the fight even starts. All programming is percentage based programming whether we like it or not. NOPE You are always coaching load with or without AI. NOPE Emotions are completely fake. **NOPE, AND THIS SEEMS LIKE THE BIG THING YOU ARE MISSING**

**The mental game and it's strengths and fragility IMO are much more important than you give it credit for. It's great to say emotion is fake and if you actually cared about your goal then you would do the work and if you didn't then you wouldn't. That's super alpha macho and cool but no one is on 100% 100% of the time.
Sometimes the grind can get a guy down, sometimes ya just gotta inject some fun. Sometimes a little reverse psychology is in order.
Sometimes a switch up can be just what's needed.
Might be:
"Dude LFG you look lost today"
"Naw I'm fine coach"
"Were not here for fine man Fucking show me something or just go fucking home I don't need to be here to watch you half ass it"
or
"Ok that's enough lets load this thing up with quarters and hammer out some drop sets"
Beat the shit out of medicine ball throws, sprints, bearcrawls, 21's, yougoIgo barbell curls, circuits, negatives only just some fun shit. Make up some crazy challenge inverted pulldowns on the lat machine are a good time, knees hooked over the bar hands gripping the seat or just sitting in the corner for an hour bullshitting then going home.
I couldn't count the times I've been thanked "just what I needed coach" from house wives to some damn good athletes.

I'm fine with you not seeing it but I don't see much point in saying anymore here, have atter.

 

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Look up Seles adaptation syndrome. If you do not train to get stronger your top end strength with eventually regress. I said you shouldn't eliminate heavy lifting. I said that you should still lift heavy but tone down the intensity and volume and put more of the focus on speed/power/conditioning. Doing RPE 9-10s is too fatiguing when your focus shifts from gaining max strength. Training with the goal of maintenance doesn't really work over the long term.

So if I successfully keep pushing the number of reps I can get with 50% of my current max I will eventually get weaker? Maybe. But then again, I would eventually get weaker even if I kept trying to push my 1 RM. And if the demand of my sport is being able to tolerate a high volume of moving explosively with 50% of 1 RM without the fatigue caused by 1 RM training, then focusing on the former seems to make more sense to me. For a competitive rower, it will also matter more if he can do 50 reps in the squat with 100 kg than wether his 1 RM is 200 or 250 kg - besides, being able to do 250 or even 300 is no guarantee that one can do 50 reps with 100. It's the Tom Platz vs Fred Hatfield squat battle imho - there are sports where I'd rather have the ability of Platz than of Hatfield.

 

[maximus__]

RPE and bar speed during warm up sets helps determine working sets for the session. I dont think it is possible for a human to calculate how much energy it takes somebody to utter a sentence to a coach and how much that should effect the work set as that is just splitting hairs. It is like going into an mma match and saying wow that guy looks incredibly confident today we will award him 2 points before the fight even starts. All programming is percentage based programming whether we like it or not. You are always coaching load with or without AI. Emotions are completely fake. Did the guy lift with his normal calculated bar speed during his warm up or didnt he? Did He squat with nearly identical technique during his worksheets at the same bar speed as the last session?

I have hit some of my best PRs following the shittest warm up sets ever. Same with weights flying up and just failing the top set.

Do you have friends or family you interact with? Can you pick when they are having a bad day?

That literally forms part of the scoring criteria of MMA for impact... Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 – 8 when a fighter IMPACTS their opponent significantly in a round even though they do not dominate the action. Effectiveness in striking or grappling which leads to a diminishing of a fighter's energy, confidence, abilities and spirit.
You don't award it prior but you do within a round. You look incredibly confident compared to your opponent and it might tip a close round your way. That's why fighters train to lift their hands up and stay up when they are exhausted.

Emotions are fake? Not sure why you keep saying this. If you slept amazing, were fully recovered but you left a set of headphones behind it can impact your session if that's something you use in your training. Let alone an actual real problem.

Everything you are saying is an example of what is wrong with training certs. People regurgitate all this type of thing and don't factor in actual real life. It sounds like a freshly qualified trainer who hasn't actually worked with anyone.

 

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It also makes sense to train for power when you achieve a certain level of maximal strength. It likely would translate very well into grappling or martial arts/MMA in general.

For example doing pull ups as fast as possible to chest/stomach/hips....

Yes, most fighters I have seen try to always move as fast as possible during their strength/strength endurance work, at least most of the time. But then again, it depends on what else they do in training, since the solo work is always meant to fill the gaps in your regular training.
One example is that throwing your training partners HARD is considered to be a fauxpas in most gyms, and if we are talking suplexes for example, you would be out of training partners quite quickly if you did that. So wrestlers who specialize in that in competition (not too many do these days, most are looking for lower-risk, lower-impact takedowns from standing) have to do extra work with dummies to ingrain the mechanics necessary for maximum impact, and consciously hold back when training with a partner.
Another example is if you specialize on pinning (another almost-lost art in international competition), you need to both work for pins in training (duh) and focus on prolonged isometric or near-isometric contractions. That's one of the few times where maximal strength plays a large role on the mat, the other times are gut wrenches and gut wrench defence. Lifting from parterre - what Karelin was famous for - is more of a quickness game at the lighter weights, since they usually have enough relative strength to pull it off. That's why it was so amazing that Karelin could reliably lift at superheavy - he had the amount relative strength typically found in the 84 kg class, but at 135 kg.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I have hit some of my best PRs following the shittest warm up sets ever. Same with weights flying up and just failing the top set.

Do you have friends or family you interact with? Can you pick when they are having a bad day?

That literally forms part of the scoring criteria of MMA for impact... Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 – 8 when a fighter IMPACTS their opponent significantly in a round even though they do not dominate the action. Effectiveness in striking or grappling which leads to a diminishing of a fighter's energy, confidence, abilities and spirit.
You don't award it prior but you do within a round. You look incredibly confident compared to your opponent and it might tip a close round your way. That's why fighters train to lift their hands up and stay up when they are exhausted.

Emotions are fake? Not sure why you keep saying this. If you slept amazing, were fully recovered but you left a set of headphones behind it can impact your session if that's something you use in your training. Let alone an actual real problem.

Everything you are saying is an example of what is wrong with training certs. People regurgitate all this type of thing and don't factor in actual real life. It sounds like a freshly qualified trainer who hasn't actually worked with anyone.

If I am having a bad day it doesn't make a difference. Nobody in the real world cares if you are having a bad day and neither do the weights as they are inanimate objects. Rawdog said I am trying to sound macho when it isn't at all. I dont even have to want to jog for 30 minutes or bench press 5x5 the one thing that matters is if I did it or not at least if I was trying to achieve a particular goal. You cannot measure someones confidence or spirit. You are saying that training is subjective when it most definitely is not. If you want human interaction then play a sport or pick up a hobby with other humans that promotes interaction. When I am standing in the batters box I dont care how confident the pitcher looks if he throws the ball over the plate 60 mph or 90 mph I am attempting to hit the ball the same way with the same mental cues. Every aspect of a swing is physical and none of it has to do with emotion. I dont even have to want to be hitting. The only thing that matters is if I hit the ball. It is the same thing with training.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

So if I successfully keep pushing the number of reps I can get with 50% of my current max I will eventually get weaker? Maybe. But then again, I would eventually get weaker even if I kept trying to push my 1 RM. And if the demand of my sport is being able to tolerate a high volume of moving explosively with 50% of 1 RM without the fatigue caused by 1 RM training, then focusing on the former seems to make more sense to me. For a competitive rower, it will also matter more if he can do 50 reps in the squat with 100 kg than wether his 1 RM is 200 or 250 kg - besides, being able to do 250 or even 300 is no guarantee that one can do 50 reps with 100. It's the Tom Platz vs Fred Hatfield squat battle imho - there are sports where I'd rather have the ability of Platz than of Hatfield.

You do not actually NEED a live human coach to answer these questions. Just like you do not actually need the restaurant down the street to be able to eat a meal.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I have hit some of my best PRs following the shittest warm up sets ever. Same with weights flying up and just failing the top set.

Do you have friends or family you interact with? Can you pick when they are having a bad day?

That literally forms part of the scoring criteria of MMA for impact... Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 – 8 when a fighter IMPACTS their opponent significantly in a round even though they do not dominate the action. Effectiveness in striking or grappling which leads to a diminishing of a fighter's energy, confidence, abilities and spirit.
You don't award it prior but you do within a round. You look incredibly confident compared to your opponent and it might tip a close round your way. That's why fighters train to lift their hands up and stay up when they are exhausted.

Emotions are fake? Not sure why you keep saying this. If you slept amazing, were fully recovered but you left a set of headphones behind it can impact your session if that's something you use in your training. Let alone an actual real problem.

Everything you are saying is an example of what is wrong with training certs. People regurgitate all this type of thing and don't factor in actual real life. It sounds like a freshly qualified trainer who hasn't actually worked with anyone.

What does sleeping too little or the perfect amount have to do with emotion? What does leaving a set of head phones at the house have to do with emotion?

So because you deem a guy looking confident that awards him a point? What happens if the guy is feigning injury to induce an attack and the judges do not know the difference? What you are saying is a great thing to say but it isn't reality. Because An olympic track sprinter looks confident before the race has nothing to do with whether or not he ran a blazing fast world record sprint or not.

 

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You do not actually NEED a live human coach to answer these questions. Just like you do not actually need the restaurant down the street to be able to eat a meal.

The thing is, I've had wrestling coaches answer these questions for me time and time and again. I am writing about the answers they have given me.
Wrestling is about putting another human being trying to resist you on their back. Part of it is being able to lift them while they are trying to prevent you from doing just that. A little story to illustrate that: when my Greco coach was competing for Nuremberg (where incidentally, one of his teammates was Joel Romeiro) in the 68 kg category, they had a Swedish wrestler in the 84 kg Greco spot. The Swede was known for being able to seal row 180 kg (and the seal row is one of the exercises that predict a strong gut wrench; the national team standards in that exercise are usually much lower, 120 kg for that weight class), plus he was an international competitor at 84 kg. On the other hand, my Greco coach didn't lift weights over 20 kg in training, but focused on rope climbing and dummy throwing (he was number 2 or 3 in Germany at that time). But he offered the Swede the bet "I can lift you, but you can't lift me." ("lift" meaning either standard or reverse lift from parterre) - and he won that bet.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

The thing is, I've had wrestling coaches answer these questions for me time and time and again. I am writing about the answers they have given me.
Wrestling is about putting another human being trying to resist you on their back. Part of it is being able to lift them while they are trying to prevent you from doing just that. A little story to illustrate that: when my Greco coach was competing for Nuremberg (where incidentally, one of his teammates was Joel Romeiro) in the 68 kg category, they had a Swedish wrestler in the 84 kg Greco spot. The Swede was known for being able to seal row 180 kg (and the seal row is one of the exercises that predict a strong gut wrench; the national team standards in that exercise are usually much lower, 120 kg for that weight class), plus he was an international competitor at 84 kg. On the other hand, my Greco coach didn't lift weights over 20 kg in training, but focused on rope climbing and dummy throwing (he was number 2 or 3 in Germany at that time). But he offered the Swede the bet "I can lift you, but you can't lift me." ("lift" meaning either standard or reverse lift from parterre) - and he won that bet.

Being a good combat sport athlete requires more than training with weights.

 

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Being a good combat sport athlete requires more than training with weights.

Of course. In my opinion, it comes down to weighing the benefits of how much return one would get for the effort (e.g. me pushing my 120 kg best in the seal row to 180 kg) compared to doing more specific training, and vice-versa.