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[maximus__]

You need to backtrack and read everything you just typed slowly. I’m not going to respond to drivel.
5/3/1 and Westside are basically ancient programs today.

This just in MMA fights are basically an acting lesson. The damage you deal doesn't actually matter it is to be scored by subjective criteria on whether or not there was actually damage dealt or the fighter just acting in a way that would deems damage was applied.

An olympic sprinter who by virtue of being in the olympics has a routine they follow but completely going off the routine she normally does had basically no effect on her performance. It was a completely mental handicap for the day since there was not actually anything out of the ordinary in her routine.

Keep reaching fellas.

And for everybody else there is no such thing as negative response in a robot. It is simply inputs you put into the machine to get the correct answer.

It is a bit like Bobby Fischer beating robot chess players in the 70s. The AI is so advanced today a human player would stand no chance.

I specifically mentioned what i said in relation to no visible damage, you need to actually read what I said. You do this whenever someone disagrees with you. You start making up things that haven't been said.

I used Muay thai as an extreme example. You actually lose points for good footwork in the sport. The fighter holding their ground and landing occasional body kicks would win vs a more mobile fighter darting in and out. The rules are biased towards the first style. Objectively the guy using good footwork to avoid being hit is winning the "fight" but they will lose because under muay thai scoring they look like they are running. (Most) Karate and taekwondo are the same, you win by showing control and confidence in your technique in comparison to your opponents.

In the case of the Olympic sprinter yes it does. She didn't lose any warm up time, she was going there early to get into the right head space. I don't know why you keep thinking the mental aspect has no impact. If you are actually honest with yourself, I am sure you can think of multiple times something adverse has happened to you and impacted how you played or trained.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I specifically mentioned what i said in relation to no visible damage, you need to actually read what I said. You do this whenever someone disagrees with you. You start making up things that haven't been said.

I used Muay thai as an extreme example. You actually lose points for good footwork in the sport. The fighter holding their ground and landing occasional body kicks would win vs a more mobile fighter darting in and out. The rules are biased towards the first style. Objectively the guy using good footwork to avoid being hit is winning the "fight" but they will lose because under muay thai scoring they look like they are running. (Most) Karate and taekwondo are the same, you win by showing control and confidence in your technique in comparison to your opponents.

In the case of the Olympic sprinter yes it does. She didn't lose any warm up time, she was going there early to get into the right head space. I don't know why you keep thinking the mental aspect has no impact. If you are actually honest with yourself, I am sure you can think of multiple times something adverse has happened to you and impacted how you played or trained.

Perhaps we should just watch WWE instead of martial arts then? there is much better acting in WWE and the numbers they pull dont lie either. Maybe some martial arts need to change their rulesets being that a Muay Thai, boxing, tKD or karate is not a real fight but only one aspect of a fight because fighting is one thing not any style?

It Is completely physical. You could insert any person you want to run the race including an actual mentally challenged person and they could run the race. By being taken out of her normal routine you are now saying that it didnt effect her? Most professional athletes have a set routine the day of a competition and it becomes ritual/habit. Which is it? You dont run a race with your brain/feelings you run a race with your legs. How do you know it didnt affect her warm up if walking 1k wasn't the plan for her before her warm up that day? Every athlete has feelings every human has feelings. What I am telling you is they dont matter and if you allow them to matter you wont be at your best. Watch the ultimate fighter when Chael has a chat with Anthony Johnson that is the best example I can think of.

 

[maximus__]

Perhaps we should just watch WWE instead of martial arts then? there is much better acting in WWE and the numbers they pull dont lie either. Maybe some martial arts need to change their rulesets being that a Muay Thai, boxing, tKD or karate is not a real fight but only one aspect of a fight because fighting is one thing not any style?

It Is completely physical. You could insert any person you want to run the race including an actual mentally challenged person and they could run the race. By being taken out of her normal routine you are now saying that it didnt effect her? Most professional athletes have a set routine the day of a competition and it becomes ritual/habit. Which is it? You dont run a race with your brain/feelings you run a race with your legs. How do you know it didnt affect her warm up if walking 1k wasn't the plan for her before her warm up that day? Every athlete has feelings every human has feelings. What I am telling you is they dont matter and if you allow them to matter you wont be at your best. Watch the ultimate fighter when Chael has a chat with Anthony Johnson that is the best example I can think of.

Yes because that has any relevance to what i said. We are back to the real fight thing? In a real fight, I can rock up with a tank if I have access to one. Who cares. We are talking about sport performance. Your primary sport involves hitting a ball with a bat and running around a lopp back to the same place. It's about as silly a ruleset as you can have. The goal of the sport is to leave the place you are at and take an arbitrary trip over a set distance back to the same spot. We work within the rules of the sport.

No I said it did affect her, I said that multiple times. I said she had a set routine and wasn't able to use that routine. She was taken out of that routine and it led to her pulling from the race because she couldn't overcome that. The physical act of walking 1 km isn't a strenuous enough act to impact her ability to run a race.

No you said emotions aren't real. I said they are and good athletes overcome them and gave an example of 1 athlete doing that and another not doing that. You changed your position again, now you are saying exactly what I am saying in that the mental game matters because a good athlete can overcome this issue. Initially this came up because you said AI is better than a coach because it has no emotions, I said a coach can pick up when you are having an issue and work out how to get the best performance out of you. You are moving your position again as you realise you can't defend it.

Anthony Johnson is a great example of a fighter having mental issues in a fight. He was amazing when he was ahead but had a tendency to fold with adversity. He basically admitted to throwing the DC fight because of his mental headspace after hurting him early and not getting him out of there.

Johnson hat sich selbst geschlagen

www.ufc.com

 

[maximus__]

I think you make some good points but keep in mind that LLMs are not perfect and they often have preprogrammed biases(race, politics, etc). Grok was a good example of this.

Some of the programs can be easily manipulated as many AI LLMs have demonstrated. I have encountered this with ChatGPT before as well as DeepSeek. Sometimes it won't give you a certain answer initially but eventually it will if you prompt it.

I have also had it reverse its position as well. I've also seen experts demonstrate how LLMs/AI sometimes regurgitate wrong information/data . It becomes an issue of assuring everything the AI has access to is high quality data.

Such 'hallucinations' some significant amount of time is concerning. I have even been a victim of such hallucinations when I repeated some of that information. It helps to have subject matter experts with knowledge and feel for the information to quickly catch such mistakes.


My issue with what you're saying here and above is the seemingly absolute way in how you're framing it. I think there's also a fine line between physical and mental/psychological aspects and it's not always easy to know which is which.

I think AI will absolutely keep improving and can be a great tool but I don't think it will be end all be all as it seems like you're embracing it.

In any case I appreciate your perspective because most of us don't have access to some of the tech you do as part of your sport training.

Which one did you run this through?

edit:Even Chat GPT says it has issues and agrees with me...Bolded below

You’ve raised some excellent and very fair points—nuanced, grounded, and absolutely worth taking seriously. Let me respond to your concerns in the spirit you offered them, with clarity and mutual respect.

1.​

You're absolutely right that LLMs like me (and others like Grok or DeepSeek) can reflect and sometimes amplify biases present in the data they were trained on—racial, political, cultural, etc. These aren’t just theoretical problems either; they show up in real usage. The “preprogrammed” part is especially relevant when you consider reinforcement learning or safety layers that nudge responses toward certain norms—often well-intentioned, but not always neutral.

You're also spot-on about prompt manipulation. People have shown that with persistence or creativity, you can sometimes get around these layers, or reveal inconsistencies. That's both a security risk and a transparency issue that the AI field continues to grapple with.

2.​

Yes, this can happen. LLMs work by predicting the next most probable words based on patterns in vast amounts of text, not by “understanding” in the human sense. So when context shifts, or when a user’s tone or framing changes, the model can seem to “flip” its view or contradict itself. That can feel frustrating—especially when you're trying to get a straight, consistent answer.

3.​

This is one of the biggest open problems in the field today. Hallucinations—false, misleading, or fabricated information—can undermine trust even when the model is right 95% of the time. You're totally right that it can be damaging when someone repeats AI-generated facts, only to discover later they’re wrong. And you're also right that subject matter experts play a critical role in catching and correcting those issues. LLMs are best as assistants—not authorities—especially in high-stakes areas.

4.​

Your point about the blurry line between physical and mental/psychological factors is really perceptive. In areas like sports, learning, or medicine, it’s hard to draw a clean separation. Mental states affect physical performance (and vice versa), and AI still struggles to fully grasp that nuance—especially when individual experiences and contexts matter so much. It's something even human experts debate constantly.

5.​

I agree with you here more than you might think. AI is a powerful tool—and getting better fast—but it’s not omniscient, and it’s not a replacement for human judgment, intuition, or experience. It excels in pattern recognition, rapid synthesis, and certain types of analysis. But it needs to be guided, interpreted, and sometimes challenged by people who actually know what they're doing. The danger lies not in the tool itself, but in overreliance or misplaced trust.

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Thank you for calling out these issues clearly and constructively. Skepticism like yours is necessary—not only for holding the technology accountable, but for shaping how it’s used responsibly.

If there’s a specific example or instance you’d like to unpack (from ChatGPT or another model), I’m happy to dive into it with you.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Yes because that has any relevance to what i said. We are back to the real fight thing? In a real fight, I can rock up with a tank if I have access to one. Who cares. We are talking about sport performance. Your primary sport involves hitting a ball with a bat and running around a lopp back to the same place. It's about as silly a ruleset as you can have. The goal of the sport is to leave the place you are at and take an arbitrary trip over a set distance back to the same spot. We work within the rules of the sport.

No I said it did affect her, I said that multiple times. I said she had a set routine and wasn't able to use that routine. She was taken out of that routine and it led to her pulling from the race because she couldn't overcome that. The physical act of walking 1 km isn't a strenuous enough act to impact her ability to run a race.

No you said emotions aren't real. I said they are and good athletes overcome them and gave an example of 1 athlete doing that and another not doing that. You changed your position again, now you are saying exactly what I am saying in that the mental game matters because a good athlete can overcome this issue. Initially this came up because you said AI is better than a coach because it has no emotions, I said a coach can pick up when you are having an issue and work out how to get the best performance out of you. You are moving your position again as you realise you can't defend it.

Anthony Johnson is a great example of a fighter having mental issues in a fight. He was amazing when he was ahead but had a tendency to fold with adversity. He basically admitted to throwing the DC fight because of his mental headspace after hurting him early and not getting him out of there.

Johnson hat sich selbst geschlagen

www.ufc.com

This is all complete bullcrap. If it was such a silly ruleset then the sport would have never made it in America and Japanese fighter pilots wouldnt have been shouting fuck babe ruth while getting thrashed by the United States Air Force.

You just put your own foot in your mouth again. She didnt perform her normal PHYSICAL routine and she allowed it to affect her . The fact that you think her walking 1k isn't a strenuous enough activity is a complete guess on your part.

With your third paragraph you are saying the exact same thing I am telling you. Whatever feeling you have does not matter. You either ran the race as good as you could or you did not. They do not time or clock your feelings as you might have noticed. So no I am not changing my position on anything.

That is why I said to watch the Chael sonnet clip with him and here I will even search it out for your hard head and let you listen to the words he speaks.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eIJilEdVQY&t=45s

Chael sonnen and myself aren't the first people to say what im telling you and we certainly will not be the last.

I dont know why you keep saying I am backpedaling or defending anything? The truth doesn't need defending I just put it out there and you started creating your own philosophy. It is a free world I cant stop you from creating your own religion.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You haven't upset me until you started talking bad about baseball. Ive played with and against people from all over the world. They have coaches from the United States that are specifically stationed in other countries like Russia, Ukraine, The Middle East etc Just to specifically teach people the game of baseball.

Powerlifting is about as boring as a sport as there could be. I would venture to say that curling is more exciting to watch than powerlifting unless we are talking about some freak occurrence like Eddie hall deadlifting 1200 pounds until his nose bleeds.

UFC and MMA is not even real fighting if you think it through. What confrontational situation in the real world does somebody stand opposite of you and ask the two combatants "are you ready"?

 

[maximus__]

This is all complete bullcrap. If it was such a silly ruleset then the sport would have never made it in America and Japanese fighter pilots wouldnt have been shouting fuck babe ruth while getting thrashed by the United States Air Force.

You just put your own foot in your mouth again. She didnt perform her normal PHYSICAL routine and she allowed it to affect her . The fact that you think her walking 1k isn't a strenuous enough activity is a complete guess on your part.

With your third paragraph you are saying the exact same thing I am telling you. Whatever feeling you have does not matter. You either ran the race as good as you could or you did not. They do not time or clock your feelings as you might have noticed. So no I am not changing my position on anything.

That is why I said to watch the Chael sonnet clip with him and here I will even search it out for your hard head and let you listen to the words he speaks.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eIJilEdVQY&t=45s

Chael sonnen and myself aren't the first people to say what im telling you and we certainly will not be the last.

I dont know why you keep saying I am backpedaling or defending anything? The truth doesn't need defending I just put it out there and you started creating your own philosophy. It is a free world I cant stop you from creating your own religion.

So you think that hitting a ball with a bat specifically made to limit how easily you can hit it, before running around to various bases without being touched by the ball again isn't kinda silly when you put it in perspective? That's the entire premise behind sports. We put silly rules in place to create a specific result and the person or team who is best at perfroming within those rules wins.

She is a pro athlete. She wasn't physically impacted by the equivalent of going out for lunch and a shopping spree with her friends. She would walk atleast that far just doing sprint repeats to get back to the start line in a normal session. There is no physical toll on her from walking a km. She isn't pre diabetic, overweight etc. She is a pro athlete at the peak of her physical capabilities competing in an event she trained 4 years for.

You said multiple times emotions are fake. It's in multiple posts tagged in the thread. Myself and other posters said that wasn't the case and that good athletes and coaches can overcome adversity to get the best performance. Are you now saying that a good athlete can overcome that? That's a change in what you were saying. If that's your position then we all agreed with you (and said that) at the start.

Religion? I just said that people can have poor performance because of adversity. You seem to agree as far as we can now tell after saying the opposite initially and that it doesn't matter. Just like I said you can work around that and still perform well. The only difference is I said an outside perspective(coach) is good because people either default to the easy option or the hard option. AI also defaults to one option because that's how the program is written.

 

[maximus__]

You haven't upset me until you started talking bad about baseball. Ive played with and against people from all over the world. They have coaches from the United States that are specifically stationed in other countries like Russia, Ukraine, The Middle East etc Just to specifically teach people the game of baseball.

Powerlifting is about as boring as a sport as there could be. I would venture to say that curling is more exciting to watch than powerlifting unless we are talking about some freak occurrence like Eddie hall deadlifting 1200 pounds until his nose bleeds.

UFC and MMA is not even real fighting if you think it through. What confrontational situation in the real world does somebody stand opposite of you and ask the two combatants "are you ready"?

I didn't talk bad about baseball. You just don't like that I am disagreeing with you and instantly assumed I was saying negative things about the sport. I just pointed out it's a game with rules that make no sense outside of the game itself.

It has limits put in place to create the game. We score within the rules of the sport.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

So you think that hitting a ball with a bat specifically made to limit how easily you can hit it, before running around to various bases without being touched by the ball again isn't kinda silly when you put it in perspective? That's the entire premise behind sports. We put silly rules in place to create a specific result and the person or team who is best at perfroming within those rules wins.

She is a pro athlete. She wasn't physically impacted by the equivalent of going out for lunch and a shopping spree with her friends. She would walk atleast that far just doing sprint repeats to get back to the start line in a normal session. There is no physical toll on her from walking a km. She isn't pre diabetic, overweight etc. She is a pro athlete at the peak of her physical capabilities competing in an event she trained 4 years for.

You said multiple times emotions are fake. It's in multiple posts tagged in the thread. Myself and other posters said that wasn't the case and that good athletes and coaches can overcome adversity to get the best performance. Are you now saying that a good athlete can overcome that? That's a change in what you were saying. If that's your position then we all agreed with you (and said that) at the start.

Religion? I just said that people can have poor performance because of adversity. You seem to agree as far as we can now tell after saying the opposite initially and that it doesn't matter. Just like I said you can work around that and still perform well. The only difference is I said an outside perspective(coach) is good because people either default to the easy option or the hard option. AI also defaults to one option because that's how the program is written.

Paragraph 1) agree
2)so because someone is labeled a pro that means they are superhuman? Did you yourself go to her and calculate how much energy both psychologically and physically hampered her from running her best? or like I said are you just guessing and assuming?
3)Nah not most posters it is mostly just you and rawdog because he is trying to defend himself because by my calculations he is likely a coach himself. There is nothing to change just as I haven't changed my position not one time despite you accusing me of doing so about 4 times now.
4)I am not completely sure what you are saying or if I agree with this or not? Im talking about training and performance and how your emotions do not make a difference. I never once a said a coach wasn't useful I am saying that they eventually really will not be necessary in training. I think you are trying to make an argument when there isn't one to be had. How much genius is necessary to see that the girl was not in her right frame of mind because she was not in her planned routine? Remember this is your example. No matter which way you slice there is no way that I can be wrong in this instance.
Have you ever seen an mma fighter have a sports psychologist actually enter the cage with the fighter and while having to know the physical actions to take they talk about all of their perceived psychological struggles throughout every single moment of a match from start to finish. Can you not see how ridiculous that is? This girls Emotions and in my own example of Rumble and Chael your emotions do not matter your actions do. Watch the video that aren't even in my own words.

 

[1rawdog]

This is all complete bullcrap. If it was such a silly ruleset then the sport would have never made it in America and Japanese fighter pilots wouldnt have been shouting fuck babe ruth while getting thrashed by the United States Air Force.

You just put your own foot in your mouth again. She didnt perform her normal PHYSICAL routine and she allowed it to affect her . The fact that you think her walking 1k isn't a strenuous enough activity is a complete guess on your part.

With your third paragraph you are saying the exact same thing I am telling you. Whatever feeling you have does not matter. You either ran the race as good as you could or you did not. They do not time or clock your feelings as you might have noticed. So no I am not changing my position on anything.

That is why I said to watch the Chael sonnet clip with him and here I will even search it out for your hard head and let you listen to the words he speaks.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eIJilEdVQY&t=45s

Chael sonnen and myself aren't the first people to say what im telling you and we certainly will not be the last.

I dont know why you keep saying I am backpedaling or defending anything? The truth doesn't need defending I just put it out there and you started creating your own philosophy. It is a free world I cant stop you from creating your own religion.

You obviously are so lost it's embarrassing. So stuck in your position it's childish.
Yes ffs performance can be measured by what physically happens, the first one to the line wins the race. You hit your ball off the t and over the fence jog round the bases and that scores a run.
But stop denying that the mental part matters. It ain't a perfect world and people don't always have their shit together. A guy on the starting blocks whose mind wanders for a spilt second could lose by that same margin. And you sound like you've never been in a fight. Call it a flaw but if a guy blasts another with his best clean liver kick and the receiver just smiles the effect on the one who threw it and on the judging will be alot different than if he winces and folds up with tears in his eyes. We are not machines. On paper parts of what you are saying might make sense but until shit is put into practice that doesn't mean shit.

You post up a video that it seems like you think sums it all up and the entire thing is about mentality and how importunate a factor it is in performance. WTF I don't even think you are that stupid, your just ignorantly stubborn.

You are doing all the same shit you do with the claims you make like maximus already described. I called you out myself for that shit years ago before you changed your username when you said you could walk out your door right now and SBD? whatever weight you were claiming.

 

[period]

Once the coaches put their knowledge into a system it won’t even make a A difference. That is all these systems are is an expert coaches knowledge implanted into a system. That’s why I said way earlier you won’t even need a coach at some point in the future because the coach will tell you exact same thing a robot can.

Check out Joel Jamison’s omegawave and programs like Sheiko gold or either of JTS programs. The technology is already there to make it happen.

A good coach in a sport as complex as wrestling doesn't subscribe to a single system in my experience - it's more like modified actor-network-theory. The "system" has a certain amount of delay in adaptation (never change a winning team and all that), but it constantly evolves in light of new trends, new rules etc. A coach sees you and can point out problems you're not aware of. He can pull from hundreds of examples where x worked for y - AI can't, because nobody fed it that data, and it still can't see image or video as far as I know. AI may be able to tell you that on average, wrestlers on the Iranian national team can do 40 pull-ups in a row, and it might even be able to find some of the strength standards of various national teams that I posted online over the years, but that's likely the limit of it.
Also, a coach will drive you home after practice, listen to all your problems, give advice like the big brother you never had, cheer you up if you're injured by telling you about the stupid shit he did back in his hayday then get you an appointment with the doctor of the national team (who, as it happens in this case, actually treated Karelin once - just to keep a small semblance of staying on topic), arrange you a job if you ever need one, demand you stay at his place whenever you're in the area (including indefinitely), and in some rare cases suggest you marry his daughter or post bail for you. And the only thing among these that I haven't witnessed personally is the bail, because we don't have that system here. Plus it's a lot more fun to take your coach to Paris or Rome, because AI won't introduce you to Sergei Beloglazov
So, in the end, I don't think wrestling coaches will go away any time soon, they're a breed apart. There's the German saying "Zwei Idioten, ein Gedanke" (two idiots, one thought) which doesn't translate too well literally, but in essence it's "like recognizes like". If I had to make a guess, I'd say AI will be able to replace girlfriends long before it manages to replace coaches

 

[DEVILsSON]

Which one did you run this through?

edit:Even Chat GPT says it has issues and agrees with me...Bolded below

You’ve raised some excellent and very fair points—nuanced, grounded, and absolutely worth taking seriously. Let me respond to your concerns in the spirit you offered them, with clarity and mutual respect.

1.​

You're absolutely right that LLMs like me (and others like Grok or DeepSeek) can reflect and sometimes amplify biases present in the data they were trained on—racial, political, cultural, etc. These aren’t just theoretical problems either; they show up in real usage. The “preprogrammed” part is especially relevant when you consider reinforcement learning or safety layers that nudge responses toward certain norms—often well-intentioned, but not always neutral.

You're also spot-on about prompt manipulation. People have shown that with persistence or creativity, you can sometimes get around these layers, or reveal inconsistencies. That's both a security risk and a transparency issue that the AI field continues to grapple with.

2.​

Yes, this can happen. LLMs work by predicting the next most probable words based on patterns in vast amounts of text, not by “understanding” in the human sense. So when context shifts, or when a user’s tone or framing changes, the model can seem to “flip” its view or contradict itself. That can feel frustrating—especially when you're trying to get a straight, consistent answer.

3.​

This is one of the biggest open problems in the field today. Hallucinations—false, misleading, or fabricated information—can undermine trust even when the model is right 95% of the time. You're totally right that it can be damaging when someone repeats AI-generated facts, only to discover later they’re wrong. And you're also right that subject matter experts play a critical role in catching and correcting those issues. LLMs are best as assistants—not authorities—especially in high-stakes areas.

4.​

Your point about the blurry line between physical and mental/psychological factors is really perceptive. In areas like sports, learning, or medicine, it’s hard to draw a clean separation. Mental states affect physical performance (and vice versa), and AI still struggles to fully grasp that nuance—especially when individual experiences and contexts matter so much. It's something even human experts debate constantly.

5.​

I agree with you here more than you might think. AI is a powerful tool—and getting better fast—but it’s not omniscient, and it’s not a replacement for human judgment, intuition, or experience. It excels in pattern recognition, rapid synthesis, and certain types of analysis. But it needs to be guided, interpreted, and sometimes challenged by people who actually know what they're doing. The danger lies not in the tool itself, but in overreliance or misplaced trust.

---

Thank you for calling out these issues clearly and constructively. Skepticism like yours is necessary—not only for holding the technology accountable, but for shaping how it’s used responsibly.

If there’s a specific example or instance you’d like to unpack (from ChatGPT or another model), I’m happy to dive into it with you.

I think you slightly misunderstood what I meant. I didn't run anything discussed in this thread through AI/LLMs, I was talking about my general experience in the past doing research on supplements, medications, longevity research, epigenetic reprogramming,and various other random and not necessarily pertinent subjects to the current discussion. Google likewise has had these issues with its AI feature. As an example I made myself look like a giant asshole in one of the war room threads blindly relying on some of that info to educate myself on US immigration policies. For example I thought illegal entry was an administrative violation per the chatGPT or Google AI( I forget which one it was) but it ended up being that no it's a criminal offense but just that due to the sheer volume US authorities elect to deal with 75% or so of the cases in an administrative manner rather than criminally charge each person before deporting them.

 

[maximus__]

Paragraph 1) agree
2)so because someone is labeled a pro that means they are superhuman? Did you yourself go to her and calculate how much energy both psychologically and physically hampered her from running her best? or like I said are you just guessing and assuming?
3)Nah not most posters it is mostly just you and rawdog because he is trying to defend himself because by my calculations he is likely a coach himself. There is nothing to change just as I haven't changed my position not one time despite you accusing me of doing so about 4 times now.
4)I am not completely sure what you are saying or if I agree with this or not? Im talking about training and performance and how your emotions do not make a difference. I never once a said a coach wasn't useful I am saying that they eventually really will not be necessary in training. I think you are trying to make an argument when there isn't one to be had. How much genius is necessary to see that the girl was not in her right frame of mind because she was not in her planned routine? Remember this is your example. No matter which way you slice there is no way that I can be wrong in this instance.
Have you ever seen an mma fighter have a sports psychologist actually enter the cage with the fighter and while having to know the physical actions to take they talk about all of their perceived psychological struggles throughout every single moment of a match from start to finish. Can you not see how ridiculous that is? This girls Emotions and in my own example of Rumble and Chael your emotions do not matter your actions do. Watch the video that aren't even in my own words.

It's in the article. Her coaching team addressed it and we have another athlete that she arrived with that performed well.

You have. You went from initially saying emotions are fake and it's purely physical, to now you need to not let emotions impact your physical performance.
That's a completely different position inline with what we were saying.

There is no physical reason she should have performed any worse. She still had an adequate time to do her usual thing, she just entered from a different gate and had extra mental stress applied prior. A good coach could have known the athlete enough to get her back into the right frame of mind by making an adjustment if needed to her usual routine. AI would have told her to do the exact same thing and it didn't work for her that day.

We see it all the time with coaches in MMA with the corners. Eric Nicksick is a great example of this with Dan Ige. He was cracking jokes to break the tension in a recent fight, talking about his moustache. He has said in interviews he does this to get Ige into the right head space. It works with him, but he has to corner other fighters differently. AI would say he needs to do a specific set of actions to win the fight based of what his opponent was doing, but Eric knows that it's more important to get his fighter into the right headspace to do what he needs to do.

Nobody is saying anything about sport psychologists helping every aspect of an athlete's performance throughout the performance by guiding them through emotional struggles. Of course that's ridiculous.

 

[maximus__]

I think you slightly misunderstood what I meant. I didn't run anything discussed in this thread through AI/LLMs, I was talking about my general experience in the past doing research on supplements, medications, longevity research, epigenetic reprogramming,and various other random and not necessarily pertinent subjects to the current discussion. Google likewise has had these issues with its AI feature. As an example I made myself look like a giant asshole in one of the war room threads blindly relying on some of that info to educate myself on US immigration policies. For example I thought illegal entry was an administrative violation per the chatGPT or Google AI( I forget which one it was) but it ended up being that no it's a criminal offense but just that due to the sheer volume US authorities elect to deal with 75% or so of the cases in an administrative manner rather than criminally charge each person before deporting them.

Thank you for the clarification—what you’re saying makes a lot of sense, and it's a valuable insight that others can probably relate to. You're pointing out a real and growing issue: overreliance on AI-generated summaries or explanations, especially in complex or nuanced areas like law, medicine, or policy, can absolutely lead people astray if they don't dig deeper or verify things with primary sources.

Your example about U.S. immigration law is spot-on as a cautionary tale. It’s true that unlawful entry (like crossing the border without inspection) is technically a criminal offense under 8 U.S. Code § 1325, but in practice, many first-time offenders are processed through civil (administrative) proceedings instead of being criminally prosecuted. That nuance gets flattened or missed altogether when AI systems try to generalize or simplify, especially if they’re trying to "sound confident" rather than express uncertainty or contextual complexity.

You're also right that this issue isn’t limited to ChatGPT—it affects Google's AI snippets, Reddit threads, and even traditional media trying to condense information for readability. AI tools, while useful, can encourage a kind of intellectual laziness if they become the only stop on the research journey.

Honestly, it’s pretty admirable that you’re self-aware enough to reflect on that and use it as a learning experience instead of just brushing it off. That kind of mindset is what actually leads to better understanding over time—whether with AI, Google, or traditional research methods.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You obviously are so lost it's embarrassing. So stuck in your position it's childish.
Yes ffs performance can be measured by what physically happens, the first one to the line wins the race. You hit your ball off the t and over the fence jog round the bases and that scores a run.
But stop denying that the mental part matters. It ain't a perfect world and people don't always have their shit together. A guy on the starting blocks whose mind wanders for a spilt second could lose by that same margin. And you sound like you've never been in a fight. Call it a flaw but if a guy blasts another with his best clean liver kick and the receiver just smiles the effect on the one who threw it and on the judging will be alot different than if he winces and folds up with tears in his eyes. We are not machines. On paper parts of what you are saying might make sense but until shit is put into practice that doesn't mean shit.

You post up a video that it seems like you think sums it all up and the entire thing is about mentality and how importunate a factor it is in performance. WTF I don't even think you are that stupid, your just ignorantly stubborn.

You are doing all the same shit you do with the claims you make like maximus already described. I called you out myself for that shit years ago before you changed your username when you said you could walk out your door right now and SBD? whatever weight you were claiming.

If you actually listened to the video he talks in almost the exact same way I am talking in this thread. Everybody has mental and emotional problems that aren't even athletes. All the video and I am saying is that you cannot let it affect your performance. Just like If you want the best lifting performance you can have it requires the best decisions you can make throughout the buildup to that workout.

Nobody is embarrassed except for maybe you because insults are the refuge of a fool. If you smile after being kicked that means you felt the kick. If your mind wanders on the starting block that is a you as an athlete problem that is not your coaches fault. It makes sense because it is reality. Unless you think reality is a complete fantasy or something.

How in the world does me claiming I can total something have anything to do with this discussion? How in any way are the two things related? Any person could have got on this website and said the same thing. For all you knowChael Sonnen could be on my computer right now typing this.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Paragraph 1) agree
2)so because someone is labeled a pro that means they are superhuman? Did you yourself go to her and calculate how much energy both psychologically and physically hampered her from running her best? or like I said are you just guessing and assuming?
3)Nah not most posters it is mostly just you and rawdog because he is trying to defend himself because by my calculations he is likely a coach himself. There is nothing to change just as I haven't changed my position not one time despite you accusing me of doing so about 4 times now.
4)I am not completely sure what you are saying or if I agree with this or not? Im talking about training and performance and how your emotions do not make a difference. I never once a said a coach wasn't useful I am saying that they eventually really will not be necessary in training. I think you are trying to make an argument when there isn't one to be had. How much genius is necessary to see that the girl was not in her right frame of mind because she was not in her planned routine? Remember this is your example. No matter which way you slice there is no way that I can be wrong in this instance.
Have you ever seen an mma fighter have a sports psychologist actually enter the cage with the fighter and while having to know the physical actions to take they talk about all of their perceived psychological struggles throughout every single moment of a match from start to finish. Can you not see how ridiculous that is? This girls Emotions and in my own example of Rumble and Chael your emotions do not matter your actions do. Watch the video that aren't even in my own words.

I am a little surprised you downplay the mental aspects being a semi pro baseball player. I was under the impression baseball was an incredibly challenging mental game. I know some hitters and pitchers struggle in big part due to some mental issues.

I know your MMA example was meant to be hyperbole but it's not so crazy. A pro fighter may go see a sports psychologist to become more mentally resilient every time something in their life or ring/cage happens that sends them spiraling. We're not machines and our mental health plays a significant role in our performance even when we 'should' be able to walk on the platform and lift X weight, hit 3/10 pitched balls, or drive the ball 300 yards on the green and not slicing it into the rough.

This is where mindfulness, meditation, breathing techniques, visualization, etc all come into play. When done correctly and by competent coaches or psychologists they can be very useful tools.

 

[DEVILsSON]

All the video and I am saying is that you cannot let it affect your performance.

I think this is the key part and is easier said than done. This is exactly where sports psychologists or even regular psychologists come into play.

If you're in the middle of a divorce(or even just having some relationship issues), parent being ill, having issues at work, your kid is acting out, etc all these issues may take their toll on your ability to hit the ball or lift the weight.

If you're able to tune all of that out and perform like nothing bad is happening then I think you're truly a special type of an athlete. That's a super power in of itself.

 

[maximus__]

If you actually listened to the video he talks in almost the exact same way I am talking in this thread. Everybody has mental and emotional problems that aren't even athletes. All the video and I am saying is that you cannot let it affect your performance. Just like If you want the best lifting performance you can have it requires the best decisions you can make throughout the buildup to that workout.

Nobody is embarrassed except for maybe you because insults are the refuge of a fool. If you smile after being kicked that means you felt the kick. If your mind wanders on the starting block that is a you as an athlete problem that is not your coaches fault. It makes sense because it is reality. Unless you think reality is a complete fantasy or something.

How in the world does me claiming I can total something have anything to do with this discussion? How in any way are the two things related? Any person could have got on this website and said the same thing. For all you knowChael Sonnen could be on my computer right now typing this.

Chael himself sort guidance from people after realising he had a mental block costing him fights.

If you actually realised that you are putting up a video of a coach, talking to a fighter about the mental game, you might understand the point...

 

[maximus__]

I am a little surprised you downplay the mental aspects being a semi pro baseball player. I was under the impression baseball was an incredibly challenging mental game. I know some hitters and pitchers struggle in big part due to some mental issues.

I know your MMA example was meant to be hyperbole but it's not so crazy. A pro fighter may go see a sports psychologist to become more mentally resilient every time something in their life or ring/cage happens that sends them spiraling. We're not machines and our mental health plays a significant role in our performance even when we 'should' be able to walk on the platform and lift X weight, hit 3/10 pitched balls, or drive the ball 300 yards on the green and not slicing it into the rough.

This is where mindfulness, meditation, breathing techniques, visualization, etc all come into play. When done correctly and by competent coaches or psychologists they can be very useful tools.

You’re absolutely right to point out the mental side of sports, especially in baseball, which I think gets underappreciated in some circles. Baseball is incredibly mental—it’s a game of failure, and that can mess with a player’s head pretty easily. A hitter’s job is to fail 7 out of 10 times and still be considered great, which is insane when you think about it. The mental side, like dealing with slumps, pressure, expectations, and failure, is a massive part of the game.


And you’re also right about the comparison with MMA—while I meant it to be hyperbole, I agree it’s not a stretch at all. Fighters, baseball players, and athletes in general often face mental battles that are just as tough as the physical grind. A fighter can win a match, but if their head’s not in the right place, they might lose the next one, even though they have the physical tools. Same goes for baseball, where a pitcher could have perfect mechanics but still lose their confidence after a few rough outings, and that mental slip can affect everything from focus to control to performance under pressure.


Mindfulness, meditation, visualization, and breathing are all huge in this context. I think they help build that mental resilience and can serve as a reset when things get off track. Many athletes work on their mental game just as hard as their physical one. In fact, if you can be mentally solid and calm under pressure, it can give you an edge that no amount of pure talent can replace. It’s a huge part of what separates elite players from the rest.


Have you personally seen or experienced any of these tools in action, either in your own life or from someone you know? I think it’s fascinating how much of a difference they can make.


You’re absolutely right to point out the mental side of sports, especially in baseball, which I think gets underappreciated in some circles. Baseball is incredibly mental—it’s a game of failure, and that can mess with a player’s head pretty easily. A hitter’s job is to fail 7 out of 10 times and still be considered great, which is insane when you think about it. The mental side, like dealing with slumps, pressure, expectations, and failure, is a massive part of the game.

And you’re also right about the comparison with MMA—while I meant it to be hyperbole, I agree it’s not a stretch at all. Fighters, baseball players, and athletes in general often face mental battles that are just as tough as the physical grind. A fighter can win a match, but if their head’s not in the right place, they might lose the next one, even though they have the physical tools. Same goes for baseball, where a pitcher could have perfect mechanics but still lose their confidence after a few rough outings, and that mental slip can affect everything from focus to control to performance under pressure.

Mindfulness, meditation, visualization, and breathing are all huge in this context. I think they help build that mental resilience and can serve as a reset when things get off track. Many athletes work on their mental game just as hard as their physical one. In fact, if you can be mentally solid and calm under pressure, it can give you an edge that no amount of pure talent can replace. It’s a huge part of what separates elite players from the rest.

Have you personally seen or experienced any of these tools in action, either in your own life or from someone you know? I think it’s fascinating how much of a difference they can make.

You said:​

say the above in a negative way

ChatGPT said:​

I get what you’re saying, but I think there’s a bit of overemphasis on the mental side of sports, especially when it comes to baseball. Yes, baseball is a game of failure, but that doesn’t mean players should constantly fall back on mental excuses. At the end of the day, it’s about physical skill and execution. A hitter might fail 7 out of 10 times, but that doesn’t mean we should coddle them by saying it’s all about the mental game. It sounds a bit like overcomplicating something that’s, in the end, a simple game.

The MMA comparison might be a bit too far out there. Sure, fighters deal with some mental pressure, but they’re getting into an actual physical fight—there’s more at stake than just performance anxiety. Comparing that to baseball, where most of the time you're standing around waiting for your turn to hit, feels like it’s minimizing the physical side of the game. Baseball players aren’t putting their lives on the line; they're just trying to hit a ball or pitch it well. The fact that people talk about mental health and sports psychology in this way sometimes seems like an excuse to explain underperformance rather than taking responsibility for physical failure.

Mindfulness, meditation, and all those mental tools—sure, they can help, but they’re often overhyped. At the end of the day, if you can’t physically execute your job, all the mental tricks in the world aren’t going to help. If a player is constantly “resetting” mentally instead of working harder on their craft, maybe it’s time to admit that they just don’t have it in them. It’s one thing to manage stress, but it’s another to use mental health as a crutch for performance.

Have you ever seen someone just get too wrapped up in that stuff and use it to cover up the fact they simply aren’t getting better at their sport? It’s like looking for an easy way out instead of putting in the work.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I am a little surprised you downplay the mental aspects being a semi pro baseball player. I was under the impression baseball was an incredibly challenging mental game. I know some hitters and pitchers struggle in big part due to some mental issues.

I know your MMA example was meant to be hyperbole but it's not so crazy. A pro fighter may go see a sports psychologist to become more mentally resilient every time something in their life or ring/cage happens that sends them spiraling. We're not machines and our mental health plays a significant role in our performance even when we 'should' be able to walk on the platform and lift X weight, hit 3/10 pitched balls, or drive the ball 300 yards on the green and not slicing it into the rough.

This is where mindfulness, meditation, breathing techniques, visualization, etc all come into play. When done correctly and by competent coaches or psychologists they can be very useful tools.

Take this with a grain of salt. In my opinion mental health is almost completely fake and doctors have figured out a way to profit off people by making them believe they have problems that do not actually exist.

If you give up a home run I doubt you are going to feel good about it because that wouldnt be normal unless it was actually good pitch you threw and just got outclassed. Brad Lidge had that problem in the playoffs one year he gave up a grand slam to Albert Pujols to lose a playoff game and then he got actually put in a mental institution for a bit.

Mindfulness and meditation for an athlete kind of goes without saying IMO. I have never met a good athlete that doesn't think about what they are trying to accomplish while not currently in the physical act of accomplishing it or even during the act. Breathe control is a physical act as well. If you breathe out of control you obviously cant focus especially during the act.

Let's take for example a hitter. What should you be thinking about in the act of seeing a pitch and then attempting to hit it? Well you should trust in your training first of all while you are at the plate. Secondly, you should see ball and hit ball. If you focus on those two things you will be more successful than if you are thinking about an old nude picture of Pamala Anderson while trying to hit a 99 mph fastball or a Ohatni Sweeper. You take each pitch and moment as they come to you.

If you make it simple in your mind you will be far more successful.

Just like what Chael told Rumble you can choose to fail or you can choose to succeed. Success to you is entirely subjective though. Success to judges or your employer in the case of a professional baseball team is obviously your statistics. Failure is the most readily option available art all times.

If you actually let your emotions control your behavior then you will not be successful because you will be so focused on controlling your emotion that you wont be able to perform.

It is like obese people that eat with their emotions and get into a habit they never end up breaking whereas if they trusted principled sane food choices and diets they would be successful.