Alex vs Tom needs to be done!!

[mkess101]

You say I'm "dodging stats" yet again — and it makes me laugh because your stat was a tap-im freebie... "100% takedown accuracy". Yes, I contextualized it and that's exactly what stats require. If all, and I mean all, of Tom's takedowns landed against guys with garbage-level takedown defense (think Spivac, Baudot, Arlovski), then yes, your stat is accurate but click bait If you think it predicts success against an elite TDD guy like Pereira. That's not double standard, it's called analytical rigor... Statistics speak louder with context, always, which you miss...

You keep acting like I invented the Craig Jones thing... He's literally on Tom's fucking channel praising his attention to his grappling lmao. It's taken so seriously that EssentiallySports commented fans were scared for Ciryl Gane... This is not unicorn shtick lol it's intentional defensive and offensive evolution for a heavyweight. Yeah bright lights didn't affect performance, ok, but Tom said it in RESPONSE to a QUESTION about facing ALEX PEREIRA... So either you mean nothing when I quote what he literally said, or you believe what he says is irrelevant. Pick one.

You say : "if Alex loses again to Ank, you'll just pivot to big Ank vs Tom"... I adjust as what we see happens. That's a plus, not a down. Claiming that evolving your position is somehow dishonest is not good faith, unless you think blind loyalty that never shifts is a virtue. If Alex has more wins than losses vs those same guys... Cool, I stick. If not, I shift downward. That's how smart posters do, they don't deny reality. But if Alex makes it competitive enough to the point it's very very close or wins, he's guaranteed to fight in HW. That's not me saying it... That's the UFC saying Alex will fight either Gane or Tom... So win or lose, he will fight at HW. Anyways he could of have anyways without the rematch... You can move up a division at will if you don't have a belt. Even more the biggest star of the sort... Duhh

Actually I explicitly said I don't expect you to agree... I said I see it as 60/40 Alex. That's me saying how I believe in what I say, not a guaranteed prophecy... That's nuance. And I explained it in trades, data, angles, you just jump to do mini rants about projection while only picking through the tone, not the content. That's not debate, that's dodge from you. If you want to say Tom has elite TD success against early round opponents, fair, I'll grant that... If you want to ignore how that record might shatter vs a trained Pereira who eats Ankalaev's clean entries while injured and still won the 5th round, well, then you might be surprised and confused when the fight happens...

.., Plus if you feel I'm misinterpreting quotes, then quote it out, explain how it's misinterpreted and add an alternative reading... Ironically that's the same thing you accuse me of doing... At the end, I'm just calling what I think is most likely. You're free to disagree but at least make a point replying to my arguments, "nothing" again is not a criticism, it's skipping the chessboard and sticking to your own narrative. If you can actually challenge the substance then cool, if not, move on.

It's late and I'm not replying to all this now. But you need to self analyze a bit. Yes, adjusting on the fly is fine. It's not a bad thing. But when you just say your context is ______, you gotta understand that others may well disagree with the subjective things you use as context. Aspinall takes everyone down he tries to take down so far. That YOU think they suck ar TDD is fine but just saying that means Alex (who's never faced a true HW) can stop it seems wildly optimistic on your part.

 

[White lightning 2]

So now that he can't fantasize on Jon beating Tom, he's switched it up to Alex??? This dude comes off like a 16 or 17 year old who's only ever watched highlight reels. Just stop man.

Aspinall smokes Alex faster than he would have beaten Jon.

Aspinall is hittable as shown by Blaydes? Okay, when? The first fight where Tom blew his kneee out in 20 seconds, or the rematch where Tom smoked him in a minute flat? Forget that Tom is bigger, faster, younger with KO power and legitimate grappling chops. You're fucking bent if you think Alex fending off Ankalaev's attempts will be the same as fending of Tom. There's a reason why Arlovski has been the only fighter able to take Tom to the second round, and I'm guessing if you think about it hard enough, I am sure it will eventually come to you.

Watch more fights.

Lol Jones beats Aspinall all day long

 

[White lightning 2]

Dangerous fight for Alex stle wise even though Alex is the far superior Striker.

Who cares. He is getting old. Give it to him. He deserves it

 

[White lightning 2]

Well, that's why it's better to do that when not with a belt. If Alex says, he wouldn't have cleaned out his division either way. There will be new contenders. Alex Pereira moved to LHW when he lost to Adesanya. He didn't hold a belt. It's fair for the division to move up when passing the torch.

Alex is getting up there in age. Plus he was fed to the wolves in lhw. He deserves it

 

[Ibm]

Mileage is the main factor not age. Fighters who started later in their career had success later in their career. Poatan is getting BETTER let alone being old.

 

[Pierce 34]

Alex is getting up there in age. Plus he was fed to the wolves in lhw. He deserves it

That guy is banned lmfak

 

[Vehap1]

Dangerous fight for Alex stle wise even though Alex is the far superior Striker.

Do you know more about striking than Rico Verhoeven

 

[Vehap1]

looking at pereiras resume
the pattern of fighters he fought are mostly strikers
jan was the only fighter he fought that he should have lost as well (debatable)
then got beaten by ankalaev

lol he should have went up at HW before
his team knows he cant beat jones thats why
now they also know he cant beat aspinal

but yeah people love him
the man gets title shot anywhere he likes
i believe ddp beats him too when ddp was closing in the top 5 MWs he suddenly went up

Lets pretend that Jon is some kind of takedown machine... Why did he wait 8 rounds to take Gus down? 39 yo Werdum only needed 49 seconds to finish Gus
I get it, Jon is gonna take him down and controll the whole fight like he did vs Reyes and Santos - you are right as always

And DDP? no comment

 

[colorles]

Why not make this fight. Frame for frame and lean mass for lean mass, if anything Pereira is the larger man of the two and will have a reach advantage and, unlike with Pavlovich, Aspinal will not be able to blitzkrieg his way through Pereira's check hook.

Why the hell not make superfights. If the viewers want to see it, then make it happen. Pereira vs Aspinal at HW or Pereira vs Chimaev at LHW.

 

[orca]

Lets pretend that Jon is some kind of takedown machine... Why did he wait 8 rounds to take Gus down? 39 yo Werdum only needed 49 seconds to finish Gus
I get it, Jon is gonna take him down and controll the whole fight like he did vs Reyes and Santos - you are right as always

And DDP? no comment

lets also pretend that jones could easily take rua down
but decides to beat him up standing

i also get it that you think jones wrestling is average at best and dc is worst

also werdum is no joke
he submittee fedor aswell
but got slept by stipe

 

[VAfan]

never thought i'd live to see the day i agreed with luffy, but...

it would be a fun fight. doubt alex would have much for him but might as well let him try.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Lol Jones beats Aspinall all day long

Based on Jon ducking Tom for a couple years then retiring rather than fight him? Of course, your opinion makes total sense. I mean, why actually fight the guy when have the chance to prove it? Right?

 

[White lightning 2]

Based on Jon ducking Tom for a couple years then retiring rather than fight him? Of course, your opinion makes total sense. I mean, why actually fight the guy when have the chance to prove it? Right?

There will always be someone to challenge the champ. Tom is in his prime and hungry. Jones has been doing this for years and has nothing to prove. I am not his biggest fan but he has dominated.
He deserves big money fights if he chooses.
They way Jones beat Gane was unbelievable.

 

[PeterGriffin]

There will always be someone to challenge the champ. Tom is in his prime and hungry. Jones has been doing this for years and has nothing to prove. I am not his biggest fan but he has dominated.
He deserves big money fights if he chooses.
They way Jones beat Gane was unbelievable.

No, Jon doesn't deserve anything other than a shit sandwich.

He is a risk and a liability. And he's a fucking bitch for retiring instead of fighting Tom. Seriously, are you for real? What do you not understand about Jon literally retiring and vacating the belt INSTEAD of fighting Tom? That actually happened. Where were you?

 

[loisestrad]

No, Jon doesn't deserve anything other than a shit sandwich.

He is a risk and a liability. And he's a fucking bitch for retiring instead of fighting Tom. Seriously, are you for real? What do you not understand about Jon literally retiring and vacating the belt INSTEAD of fighting Tom? That actually happened. Where were you?

There's always someone to fight.

Let's keep it serious here: Jon fights Tom and loses. People would be like, Jon was never good. Jon fights Tom an wins, people would be like: Tom was never good, who's he really beat?

Jon doesn't fight Tom, and people be like: Jon is running.

Well, he's 38. He fights in a different weightclass from the one he's been doing his entire pro life and has like 15 title wins in. At some point in time you're actually entitled to just walk away and quit.

Point is, no matter how Jon walks away, some people are always gonna bitch. Cuz some people wouldn't recognize greatness even if it got injected in their asscheek with a needle.

 

[mkess101]

There's always someone to fight.

Let's keep it serious here: Jon fights Tom and loses. People would be like, Jon was never good. Jon fights Tom an wins, people would be like: Tom was never good, who's he really beat?

Jon doesn't fight Tom, and people be like: Jon is running.

Well, he's 38. He fights in a different weightclass from the one he's been doing his entire pro life and has like 15 title wins in. At some point in time you're actually entitled to just walk away and quit.

Point is, no matter how Jon walks away, some people are always gonna bitch. Cuz some people wouldn't recognize greatness even if it got injected in their asscheek with a needle.

They aren't mutually exclusive. I can recognize that Jones was once a great champion while also realizing he's acted like an absolute bitch over the past year or two.

He wanted a "legacy fight" vs Stipe. Okay fine, whatever. Stipe hadn't won a fight in FOUR AND A HALF YEARS by the time Jones fought him. Let that sink in. And you know what? It's dumb to us hard core fans and we saw how Stipe was an absolute shell of his old self but I still get it on some level. After that though? Jones clung to that belt and drug shit out to be a cunt instead of just immediately vacating. And of course the UFC has blame for letting him play them, too. But now look...Jones put himself back into the testing pool about 10 minutes after Aspinall/Gane was scheduled. Hmm. So he didn't just "walk away and quit". He waited until his boogeyman had a fight scheduled and then decided "Hey, just kidding, maybe I do want to keep going".

And all of this is within his rights of course. But as fans, to not call it out for what it is...c'mon. Let's not play make believe.

 

[PeterGriffin]

There's always someone to fight.

Let's keep it serious here: Jon fights Tom and loses. People would be like, Jon was never good. Jon fights Tom an wins, people would be like: Tom was never good, who's he really beat?

Jon doesn't fight Tom, and people be like: Jon is running.

Well, he's 38. He fights in a different weightclass from the one he's been doing his entire pro life and has like 15 title wins in. At some point in time you're actually entitled to just walk away and quit.

Point is, no matter how Jon walks away, some people are always gonna bitch. Cuz some people wouldn't recognize greatness even if it got injected in their asscheek with a needle.

I am serious here. I am a fight fan, and if you are a champion with a belt to defend, either shit or get off the pot.

Jon didn't want to fight or defend against Tom, but he didn't want to give up the belt either. Jon retired rather than test himself against his well-rounded peer. Then "unretired" a week later so he can try to cherry-pick another one-dimensional fighter based off his legacy.

If Jon wasn't willing to go to bat for the company when they needed him, why should the UFC accommdate Jon in the future? I didn't think Dana was that easily manipulated.

MMA fans want to see the best fight the best, regardless of who wins.. Jon's fans are just scared to watch him lose. Period. Jon Jones has been cheating damn near his whole career inside and outside of the octagon and never gave a single thought to others along the way. He's a wife-beater and a documented rat. But hey, if these things make him appealing to fans, I guess that says more about them than it does Jon.

 

[loisestrad]

if you are a champion with a belt to defend, either shit or get off the pot.

Not all champs are equal, and that's the part you miss.

Jones does have extra privileges. Cuz he earned them. Privileges are what you earn by becoming GOAT i.e.. You work hard to get to pick and choose.

Now Jones gets to choose. Sometimes in the future, maybe Aspinall reaches that place too? I hope he does. Would be great to witness someone surpass Jones' accomplishments.

And obviously to see people shitting on Tom, once he's surpassed Jones and retires while not fighting some up and coming fighter who's considered the next big thing.




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