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Elections Age-based attacks are boomeranging back on Trump

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The Harris campaign wants to make a more nuanced version of the argument.

By MEGAN MESSERLY and MYAH WARD
08/16/2024 06:12 PM EDT


Donald Trump spent months framing his opponent as a doddering old man who couldn’t be trusted with the country’s future. Now he’s facing a similar attack from Kamala Harris.

The strategy is a byproduct of a Democratic Party newly unleashed by having a much younger candidate at the top of the ticket. And it’s part of a broader case the Harris campaign is making to the American people that the former president is a relic of a past that the country can’t afford to return to.

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“Part of Trump is definitely about moving the country back and taking the country back, not moving it forward — taking it back to a time that people don’t want to return to. Age is a part of that,” said Anita Dunn, a longtime adviser to President Joe Biden. “But I don’t think age as a message against Trump is anywhere near as effective as what the vice president is doing right now, which is contrasting a positive vision of where this country can be versus Trump’s vision.”

That more nuanced argument is also the result of the fact that the age issue doesn’t work as well against Trump, 78, who voters have long viewed as more youthful than Biden, 81. A Marquette Law School Poll national survey released last week found that 57 percent of people think that Trump is too old, compared to 79 percent who worried about Biden’s age. Just 13 percent think the same about Harris, who is 59.

Some Democrats are relishing the fact that they can finally make an attack based on age after months of being forced to defend a historically old nominee. Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz, 60, veered into overt attacks on Trump’s age at a fundraiser in Newport Beach, California, this week. He called Trump “low energy,” “tired” and the “guy that needs to get a little rest on the weekend.”

But leaning into Trump’s age specifically could alienate older voters and come off as hypocritical after Harris and other Democrats defended Biden’s age.

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“I understand the future-versus-the-past argument. That’s a smart argument to make,” said Douglas Heye, a veteran GOP strategist. “People may view Donald Trump as erratic and unfocused, weird, whatever else. … But it is in voters’ minds that Donald Trump is a ball of energy. You can argue that that’s a benign ball or a malignant ball, but he’s a ball of energy.

“Future versus past. Boom. That’s it,” he added. “But old?”

Harris herself is addressing the age issue more subtly, building upon a message she’s delivered on the trail over the last year. During her battleground state tour last week, the vice president warned of a past where corporations were given tax cuts that didn’t help the working class, people were denied medical coverage for preexisting conditions and women weren’t able to make decisions about their own reproductive health care. The crowd, unprompted, at several points chanted, “We’re not going back” — a phrase that has in less than weeks become a hallmark of the Harris campaign.

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- Donnie recent picture!

“This campaign is not just about us versus Donald Trump,” she said at a rally Saturday in Las Vegas. “It is about two different visions for our nation: one — ours — focused on the future; the other focused on the past.”

Trump’s age is the “cherry on top” of the vice president’s argument, said Paul Maslin, a top Democratic pollster who worked on the presidential campaigns of Jimmy Carter and Howard Dean.

“You already thematically want to go to the future, but now you’re able to also point to a very real thing, which is how much confidence do you have in this guy’s mental acuity, energy, overall health?” Maslin said. “Yeah, he can still play a decent game of golf. Okay, we’ll give him that. Is that enough?”

The fact that Trump is facing attacks on his age is partly of his own making. Before Harris upended the race, Trump’s campaign hammered Biden’s age, presenting the race as a choice between “strong and weak.” And after five years of a steady drumbeat of attacks against Biden’s mental acuity, the vice president has thrown the GOP’s message into disarray, said Celinda Lake, the president of Lake Research Partners and a lead pollster for Biden’s 2020 campaign.

“I am honestly surprised that they can’t catch their stride. They have no idea how to run against her, at least to date,”
she said.

And Trump keeps giving the Harris campaign fresh opportunities to dig into his age. He hosted a meandering, 90-minute press conference in New Jersey on Thursday that criticized Harris’ ban on “price gouging” on groceries, tying her to the Biden administration’s economic policies and calling her a “radical California liberal” — and then wandered onto other topics, including Hillary Clinton, Nikki Haley and Cheerios. This was on top of other, similarly freewheeling public appearances in recent weeks, including a Monday interview with Elon Musk, another press conference in Mar-a-Lago last week and a speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee last month so long he broke his own record for speaking time at the convention.

“He goes on too long at his rallies and in these exchanges, and at his presser the other day, to where you get kind of bored, you lose the thread, you lose interest, which is not something you’re used to with Trump,” conservative pundit Megyn Kelly said on her podcast Tuesday. “I think that’s probably an age-related change.”

The Harris campaign, in a mock media advisory ahead of Trump’s Thursday press conference, projected that the former president would “ramble incoherently.” Afterward, another press release panned the speech as “quite boring” and said “Trump tried to read some paper for more than 40 minutes, while giving a stream of not-much-consciousness.”

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It’s the kind of attack Democrats couldn’t make as easily when Biden, prone to his own verbal stumbles and memory lapses, was at the top of the ticket.

Though Harris tries to present herself as a fresh face and an agent of change, her age puts her in the middle of the pack of recent presidents — younger than Biden, Trump and Ronald Reagan were when they took office
, but older than Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. She and Trump are, at least by some metrics, technically of the same generation. The pair bookend the Baby Boomer generation according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s definition, which spans the former president’s birth year of 1946 to the vice president’s birth year of 1964. (Though Harris is often referred to as a member of Generation X.) And the vice president is herself just six years from qualifying for Medicare.

Still, the two are a study in contrasts: a nearly 80-year-old, white, male property tycoon from New York and an almost 60-year-old Black and Indian American, female prosecutor from California’s Bay Area.

“There were a lot of Americans who didn’t want the same choice from four years ago. They wanted something different. They wanted something new. That’s what Harris-Walz gives them,” Pete Giangreco, a longtime Democratic strategist who has worked on multiple presidential campaigns. “It’s a generationally different ticket.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/16/harris-trump-old-age-2024-00174466
 
It wasn't Biden's age so much as it was his cognitive mental decline. Anybody, at any age, showing signs as severe as Biden's is not fit to be President. Harris can try this angle if she wants but, like most everything she says, isn't really based on reality.
 
It wasn't Biden's age so much as it was his cognitive mental decline. Anybody, at any age, showing signs as severe as Biden's is not fit to be President. Harris can try this angle if she wants but, like most everything she says, isn't really based on reality.
- I do agree. Biden was a very successful politician. And as i said on other threads, man could talk about politics and teach in any college. We literally saw he decline in those last years. As were seeing with Trump. Trump was a great talker till a couple of months ago.
 
Personally I dont think age is a problem

There are sharp, wise people in their 70s who would make or are phenomenal leaders


Problem is, our friend trump is neither sharp, nor wise nor a leader.

The fact that he shits himself is irrelevant in terms of leadership
 
That's pretty neat spin to pretend it was Biden's "age" and not his crippling dementia, but it doesn't really work for Harris who's even less coherent than her senile boss, and "taking people back to a time they don't want to go back to" doesn't work either, because that time was just 5 years ago before Biden/Harris screwed up everything they've touched, and most people DO want to go back to that.
 
Not going to work since Trump is still Trump. He’s the same guy everybody has known for 40 years.

Biden is not for anybody paying attention to him his whole political career. The guy used to be a Pitbull. Always gaffe prone and a fuck up but high energy. The VP debate with Paul Ryan is a clear and depressing contrast. His cognitive decline was too obvious. He’s a completely different person. Like the old grandpa who was always an asshole when you were growing up but is meek as a lamb in his final years.

Democrats have been trying to turn it around on Trump the last month and it isn’t landing. Because to everybody else, there is negligible difference between Trump now and Trump 10 years ago. Ideologically and the way he carries himself.

“Oh but he rambles during press conferences”…uhh yeah, and? When has Trump not gone off on a bunch of seperate rants during a presser and a rally? It would be cause for concern if he DIDN’T do all that shit because that’s Trump.

All it does it take away something for republicans to use in the campaign but it’s not something that will effectively be used against them because it was never about a number. It was about a man who is clearly unfit to be in his position due to whatever condition he has.


Trump covered his bases before. He said Biden wasn’t too old to be President. He was too incompetent and in mental decline. That’s not ageism as there are plenty of people in their 80’s that aren’t going through that level of cognitive decline.
 
The Harris campaign wants to make a more nuanced version of the argument.

By MEGAN MESSERLY and MYAH WARD
08/16/2024 06:12 PM EDT


Donald Trump spent months framing his opponent as a doddering old man who couldn’t be trusted with the country’s future. Now he’s facing a similar attack from Kamala Harris.

The strategy is a byproduct of a Democratic Party newly unleashed by having a much younger candidate at the top of the ticket. And it’s part of a broader case the Harris campaign is making to the American people that the former president is a relic of a past that the country can’t afford to return to.

dynarski.jpg

“Part of Trump is definitely about moving the country back and taking the country back, not moving it forward — taking it back to a time that people don’t want to return to. Age is a part of that,” said Anita Dunn, a longtime adviser to President Joe Biden. “But I don’t think age as a message against Trump is anywhere near as effective as what the vice president is doing right now, which is contrasting a positive vision of where this country can be versus Trump’s vision.”

That more nuanced argument is also the result of the fact that the age issue doesn’t work as well against Trump, 78, who voters have long viewed as more youthful than Biden, 81. A Marquette Law School Poll national survey released last week found that 57 percent of people think that Trump is too old, compared to 79 percent who worried about Biden’s age. Just 13 percent think the same about Harris, who is 59.

Some Democrats are relishing the fact that they can finally make an attack based on age after months of being forced to defend a historically old nominee. Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz, 60, veered into overt attacks on Trump’s age at a fundraiser in Newport Beach, California, this week. He called Trump “low energy,” “tired” and the “guy that needs to get a little rest on the weekend.”

But leaning into Trump’s age specifically could alienate older voters and come off as hypocritical after Harris and other Democrats defended Biden’s age.

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“I understand the future-versus-the-past argument. That’s a smart argument to make,” said Douglas Heye, a veteran GOP strategist. “People may view Donald Trump as erratic and unfocused, weird, whatever else. … But it is in voters’ minds that Donald Trump is a ball of energy. You can argue that that’s a benign ball or a malignant ball, but he’s a ball of energy.

“Future versus past. Boom. That’s it,” he added. “But old?”

Harris herself is addressing the age issue more subtly, building upon a message she’s delivered on the trail over the last year. During her battleground state tour last week, the vice president warned of a past where corporations were given tax cuts that didn’t help the working class, people were denied medical coverage for preexisting conditions and women weren’t able to make decisions about their own reproductive health care. The crowd, unprompted, at several points chanted, “We’re not going back” — a phrase that has in less than weeks become a hallmark of the Harris campaign.

images

- Donnie recent picture!

“This campaign is not just about us versus Donald Trump,” she said at a rally Saturday in Las Vegas. “It is about two different visions for our nation: one — ours — focused on the future; the other focused on the past.”

Trump’s age is the “cherry on top” of the vice president’s argument, said Paul Maslin, a top Democratic pollster who worked on the presidential campaigns of Jimmy Carter and Howard Dean.

“You already thematically want to go to the future, but now you’re able to also point to a very real thing, which is how much confidence do you have in this guy’s mental acuity, energy, overall health?” Maslin said. “Yeah, he can still play a decent game of golf. Okay, we’ll give him that. Is that enough?”

The fact that Trump is facing attacks on his age is partly of his own making. Before Harris upended the race, Trump’s campaign hammered Biden’s age, presenting the race as a choice between “strong and weak.” And after five years of a steady drumbeat of attacks against Biden’s mental acuity, the vice president has thrown the GOP’s message into disarray, said Celinda Lake, the president of Lake Research Partners and a lead pollster for Biden’s 2020 campaign.


“I am honestly surprised that they can’t catch their stride. They have no idea how to run against her, at least to date,”
she said.

And Trump keeps giving the Harris campaign fresh opportunities to dig into his age. He hosted a meandering, 90-minute press conference in New Jersey on Thursday that criticized Harris’ ban on “price gouging” on groceries, tying her to the Biden administration’s economic policies and calling her a “radical California liberal” — and then wandered onto other topics, including Hillary Clinton, Nikki Haley and Cheerios. This was on top of other, similarly freewheeling public appearances in recent weeks, including a Monday interview with Elon Musk, another press conference in Mar-a-Lago last week and a speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee last month so long he broke his own record for speaking time at the convention.

“He goes on too long at his rallies and in these exchanges, and at his presser the other day, to where you get kind of bored, you lose the thread, you lose interest, which is not something you’re used to with Trump,” conservative pundit Megyn Kelly said on her podcast Tuesday. “I think that’s probably an age-related change.”

The Harris campaign, in a mock media advisory ahead of Trump’s Thursday press conference, projected that the former president would “ramble incoherently.” Afterward, another press release panned the speech as “quite boring” and said “Trump tried to read some paper for more than 40 minutes, while giving a stream of not-much-consciousness.”

images

It’s the kind of attack Democrats couldn’t make as easily when Biden, prone to his own verbal stumbles and memory lapses, was at the top of the ticket.


Though Harris tries to present herself as a fresh face and an agent of change, her age puts her in the middle of the pack of recent presidents — younger than Biden, Trump and Ronald Reagan were when they took office
, but older than Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. She and Trump are, at least by some metrics, technically of the same generation. The pair bookend the Baby Boomer generation according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s definition, which spans the former president’s birth year of 1946 to the vice president’s birth year of 1964. (Though Harris is often referred to as a member of Generation X.) And the vice president is herself just six years from qualifying for Medicare.

Still, the two are a study in contrasts: a nearly 80-year-old, white, male property tycoon from New York and an almost 60-year-old Black and Indian American, female prosecutor from California’s Bay Area.

“There were a lot of Americans who didn’t want the same choice from four years ago. They wanted something different. They wanted something new. That’s what Harris-Walz gives them,” Pete Giangreco, a longtime Democratic strategist who has worked on multiple presidential campaigns. “It’s a generationally different ticket.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/16/harris-trump-old-age-2024-00174466
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Mods, do your job....
 
That's pretty neat spin to pretend it was Biden's "age" and not his crippling dementia, but it doesn't really work for Harris who's even less coherent than her senile boss, and "taking people back to a time they don't want to go back to" doesn't work either, because that time was just 5 years ago before Biden/Harris screwed up everything they've touched, and most people DO want to go back to that.


We want to go back to 2020 when Trump fucked the economy
 
I bet Trump didn't see this coming lol
 
That's pretty neat spin to pretend it was Biden's "age" and not his crippling dementia, but it doesn't really work for Harris who's even less coherent than her senile boss, and "taking people back to a time they don't want to go back to" doesn't work either, because that time was just 5 years ago before Biden/Harris screwed up everything they've touched, and most people DO want to go back to that.
How about the GOP does a coup and we get someone who does not spaz himself on the regular while speaking in public. Also does not talk like an Pakistani warlord.
 
Personally I dont think age is a problem

There are sharp, wise people in their 70s who would make or are phenomenal leaders
I’m sure there are folks out there who are 25 or 30 years old who are brilliant minds and would make fine leaders, yet we still don’t allow them because ageism.
 
I don't believe communicating is a problem Trump has.

Between the two candidates, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, Harris has the bigger problem with being an effective communicator. It is a main reason why Harris is avoiding the press these days. She knows she is a lousy embarrassing talker. It is a liability for her that if it ever comes out in a big way could cost Harris the election.

Harris gives strange word salads or scrambled responses frequently when she is without a teleprompter. One recent example ~



Kamala Harris mocked for ‘incoherent word salad’ message on inflation​


 
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