International Active US Air Force member self-immolates outside Israel Embassy in Washington

[TheMaster]

Again: what has anything to do with veterans in this candle light vigil?

Are you insinuating that many veterans aren't in solidarity with his sentiments? Because thats the main point not any particular vigil


"A lot of veterans PTSD is from a deep moral wound which comes from knowing they were part of terrible things happening to people in a way they did not sign up for"

 

[Thrawn33]

Are you insinuating that many veterans aren't in solidarity with his sentiments? Because thats the main point not any particular vigil


"A lot of veterans PTSD is from a deep moral wound which comes from knowing they were part of terrible things happening to people in a way they did not sign up for"

How is this vigil anything to do with a veterans organization? The vigil says nothing about it being put on by a vet group, I'm asking where you are seeing this candle light vigil being about vets at all.

 

[My Spot]

Are you insinuating that many veterans aren't in solidarity with his sentiments? Because thats the main point not any particular vigil


"A lot of veterans PTSD is from a deep moral wound which comes from knowing they were part of terrible things happening to people in a way they did not sign up for"

lol this guy was a super POG who never deployed.

 

[evansusmc2]

There have been times in the past I was able to get some 2nd hand info on some of these crazy dude military cases. I.E. Bowe Bergdahl and Bradley Manning. But this dude, I have no contacts that know anyone that met him.

 

[evansusmc2]

Once you are saved you are always saved regardless of how heinous the sin you commit. Im not going to preach a sermon im just pointing it out.

I got 10 years devout Babtist churches under my belt. It was always taught that suicide was the unforgivable sin. Now... is that gonna be the lock out from getting into heaven? Who knows.

 

[tastaylvr]

There should be another thread if dying for your beliefs is logical or not. I don’t know if this person truly was mentally ill.

I know a lot of people posting in this thread denigrating this man also talk about loving their country and dying for it yet can’t emphasise with his thoughts.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

a new height of stupid was reached

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

don't pretend there is a logical fallacy if a person changes their mind based on his actions and we can talk. otherwise pony up with a coherent argument on that front.

most of the disciples of Christ also had children and wives. there are times when self sacrifice is the right thing to do. and romantic?... that's not a word I would ever use. that's your word.

you say the family will wrestle with this BUT almost certainly you are only thinking about it from the point of view that he is wrong and that it was a mistake. and that a priori bias influences all your other thoughts about him. but take a couple hours and genuinely think about if from the perspective that he is right and his actions came from deep love for the "other".... with that thought experiment you can see each and every person left behind becoming a better person because of what he did and being inspired by it too.

you must do this thought experiment if you are going to invoke his wife and children and extended family because some of them will SURELY agree with his position on Israel and Palestine, will probably be justified in that thinking by some prominent later historians and will very possibly be moved deeply by what he did.

if you invoke his family you MUST consider these positions.

M8 his children are going to be absolutely fucked up. This will follow them throughout their life whether it's their own thoughts or other kids bullying them. This isn't ancient times, there are many better ways to make an impact on an issue you care about with self immolation being the last on the list. Dude was mentally ill and brainwashed by a cult church. Some of you weirdos are basically giving cult like behavior a pass.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

There should be another thread if dying for your beliefs is logical or not. I don’t know if this person truly was mentally ill.

I know a lot of people posting in this thread denigrating this man also talk about loving their country and dying for it yet can’t emphasise with his thoughts.

There's a difference between being in the military/police force vs commiting suicide because you're a member of a cult church and having a mental disability

 

[James Eagle]

just saying Skold hasn't been back

 

[James Eagle]

a new height of stupid was reached

ho LY fuck

tard stamp

 

[chardog]

There's a difference between being in the military/police force vs commiting suicide because you're a member of a cult church and having a mental disability

is that what hipsters call liberalism these days?

 

[BudKing8806]

Someone could at least have started pissing on ole boy to extinguish his retarded ass.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

is that what hipsters call liberalism these days?

Have you looked up his church?

 

[Scerpi]

There should be another thread if dying for your beliefs is logical or not. I don’t know if this person truly was mentally ill.

I know a lot of people posting in this thread denigrating this man also talk about loving their country and dying for it yet can’t emphasise with his thoughts.

The goal shouldn't be dying....

 

[Scerpi]

Have you looked up his church?

So dude went from a Far Right Group to a far Left Group?

Neither is idea for mental health

 

[Deleted member 577981]

M8 his children are going to be absolutely fucked up. This will follow them throughout their life whether it's their own thoughts or other kids bullying them. This isn't ancient times, there are many better ways to make an impact on an issue you care about with self immolation being the last on the list. Dude was mentally ill and brainwashed by a cult church. Some of you weirdos are basically giving cult like behavior a pass.

It all depends on his moral character and his capacity to have done this for selfless love. If that's what his kids find when they look deeper and deeper as adults then the outcome will most likely be positive.

If this was done with moral power behind him, then his children will most likely grow up to admire him and see their father as someone who sacrificed himself for a greater cause and who knew great love.

It's not like we don't have historical examples of martyrs who have made profound differences in the people around them.

 

[nostradumbass]

Keep seeing this "wife and child" thing with zero sources for it

You have to have sex to have a wife and kids, and this guy was clearly a flamer.

 

[Yehudim]

Yeah I dunno think we’ll see it differently. It’s selfish to me, because he had a wife and child. He killed himself to gain notoriety for a cause in which is legitimately unaffiliated and is not effected directly by. His family gains no benefit from his death, just a fatherless child and people left to mourn and question his suicide.

Certainly it’s a wicked way to do yourself in but I think it’s akin to, “look at me, look at what I’m doing.”

But no doubt this image will be burned into our memories for sometime. To what ends? I don’t know.

The point where he is not affected is the big one, nobody called the guy who burned himself in Tunisia an idiot, or the monk in Vietnam.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

You have to have sex to have a wife and kids, and this guy was clearly a flamer.

This is why I keep coming back to this stupid thread: for the dark jokes.