A Brutally Honest Review UFC 319’s Main Event.

[TrueBias]

"the onus was on Khamzat" is fucking insane lmfao. People just forgiving DDP for accepting defeat while being mad at Khamzat for ragdolling him. Absolute fucking retards man

Ragdolling = paddy cake taps to the face and/or knees to the tush.

Retards > You

 

[TrueBias]

Searching "GSP" in your post history, you've been crying about this for at least 13 years, so it's far from new.

So you're my fan? Well come on in and get you something to drink!

 

[Captain Herb]

Competition is exciting, as is uncertainty and an even contest.

Complete and utter dominance usually is not exciting. Let's not confuse boring because everyone sucked and it was all shit, and boring because he was so dominant the the defending champ couldn't or wouldn't muster any kind of a counter to what everyone knew his strategy was going to be.

If you're in a position to finish the fight but don't even try and then continue to play with your food for the next 25 minutes, that's boring and it's against the spirit of the sport. He can do that within the current rules and he probably will because in a 5 round fight he clearly has to go into econo safe mode, but he will rightfully lose fans and earn indifference.

 

[Captain Herb]

TS, you don't know what Lay'n'pray is.

Lay'n'pray is to lay on your back with your opponent in a dominant position, holding on to him praying the ref stands you up. (You lay'n'pray from the bottom position, not the top you doofus).

You can lay in top position and pray the ref doesn't stand it up.

 

[Mask Of Winters]

Imagine going back in time to last year and telling people that Belal would put on a top-3 fight of the year in 2025, and that Khamzat would have a boring decision against DDP that made fans miserable

Forget last year, try last WEEK. I'm not sure so many people were so excited for a fight that was that much of a dud in UFC history.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

TS, you don't know what Lay'n'pray is.

Lay'n'pray is to lay on your back with your opponent in a dominant position, holding on to him praying the ref stands you up. (You lay'n'pray from the bottom position, not the top you doofus).

Lol you've been Sherdog member sinsce 2010 and still don't know what lay'n'pray is?

 

[HereticBD]

TS, you don't know what Lay'n'pray is.

Lay'n'pray is to lay on your back with your opponent in a dominant position, holding on to him praying the ref stands you up. (You lay'n'pray from the bottom position, not the top you doofus).

I was always under the impression that it's a tactic used by dominant grapplers to win rounds and get a decision victory. Lay on your opponent, and pray the fight doesn't get stood up where you're in a far more vulnerable position. I can remember people joking about Tim Sylvia having a "lean and pray" style.

 

[fzoid4454]

If you're in a position to finish the fight but don't even try and then continue to play with your food for the next 25 minutes, that's boring and it's against the spirit of the sport. He can do that within the current rules and he probably will because in a 5 round fight he clearly has to go into econo safe mode, but he will rightfully lose fans and earn indifference.

If the guy completely turtles up and won't take any risks to get out of the shit situation he's in, and willingly accepts the "L" instead of trying to change the status quo, that also contributes to it being boring and it's against the spirit of the sport.

Much more than the person who is cruising to victory, who does not need to change anything to become champ, the person who is clearly going to lose the belt, but decides losing by decision is okay with them.... THAT person has the onus to take some risks, which makes the fight more exciting whether it backfires or succeeds.

Sorry, but DDP had good defenses against the submission opportunities that were there, but part of those good defenses was a complete turtling up and accepting the loss. It's weird that folks like you don't think accepting the loss and not even trying to do something that would change that and allow a chance to try for a win is "against the spirit of the sport."

 

[TrueBias]

I was always under the impression that it's a tactic used by dominant grapplers to win rounds and get a decision victory. Lay on your opponent, and pray the fight doesn't get stood up where you're in a far more vulnerable position. I can remember people joking about Tim Sylvia having a "lean and pray" style.

Thats how I see it, but being on the bottom could work too. However the term "blanket" typically is used with a lay n pray description, so its more accurate.

 

[Captain Herb]

If the guy completely turtles up and won't take any risks to get out of the shit situation he's in, and willingly accepts the "L" instead of trying to change the status quo, that also contributes to it being boring and it's against the spirit of the sport.

Much more than the person who is cruising to victory, who does not need to change anything to become champ, the person who is clearly going to lose the belt, but decides losing by decision is okay with them.... THAT person has the onus to take some risks, which makes the fight more exciting whether it backfires or succeeds.

Sorry, but DDP had good defenses against the submission opportunities that were there, but part of those good defenses was a complete turtling up and accepting the loss. It's weird that folks like you don't think accepting the loss and not even trying to do something that would change that and allow a chance to try for a win is "against the spirit of the sport."

I see it exactly the opposite. If a fighter has control and can't or won't do anything productive with it they should get stood up just like wall and stall gets reset after about 30 seconds. Control for control's sake should not earn any points.

 

[fzoid4454]

I see it exactly the opposite. If a fighter has control and can't or won't do anything productive with it they should get stood up just like wall and stall gets reset after about 30 seconds. Control for control's sake should not earn any points.

But it's not control for control's sake. When an arm was available, we went for a kimura. When DDP turned his face out from the belly, he dropped elbows. And when DDP did a complete turtle, he tried improving his angles to do more.

Sometimes a very good defense can lead to less excitement. But, again, if one fighter is winning and not taking huge risks, and one person is losing and being dominated, and taking no risks, if one of them is to blame for the fight stagnating, it's not the one who is winning. #1 priority is to secure the win.

The person accepting the loss is violating that priority, and the spirit of the sport.

Again, if the person losing is unwilling to un-turtle, to try and, you know, not-lose, why is it the responsibility of the person who is winning to take risks to win, when they already are winning?

 

[USA!USA!]

Don't hate the player, hate the game

If you are going to have fighters/coaching staffs as stupid and arrogant as DDPs, he is going to continue to have a lot of success

His fights versus Burns and Usman were more competitive ffs lol

I think people will still be able to give him a good fight, especially after watching how easily you can be embarrassed if you don't train to do the right things

No one is going to let him do that to him again.. not saying he isn't going to still win, but no one is going to willingly embarrass themselves the way DDP did by having no ideas or gameplan

 

[Captain Herb]

But it's not control for control's sake. When an arm was available, we went for a kimura. When DDP turned his face out from the belly, he dropped elbows. And when DDP did a complete turtle, he tried improving his angles to do more.

Sometimes a very good defense can lead to less excitement. But, again, if one fighter is winning and not taking huge risks, and one person is losing and being dominated, and taking no risks, if one of them is to blame for the fight stagnating, it's not the one who is winning. #1 priority is to secure the win.

The person accepting the loss is violating that priority, and the spirit of the sport.

Again, if the person losing is unwilling to un-turtle, to try and, you know, not-lose, why is it the responsibility of the person who is winning to take risks to win, when they already are winning?

Everyone agrees Khamzzzat won the fight under the current rules. What some of us are saying is that it's time to change the rules that allow that kind of stalling and inactivity, no matter who you want to blame for it. I just want a better product and if a rule change can accomplish that, I'm all for it

 

[fzoid4454]

Everyone agrees Khamzzzat won the fight under the current rules. What some of us are saying is that it's time to change the rules that allow that kind of stalling and inactivity, no matter who you want to blame for it. I just want a better product and if a rule change can accomplish that, I'm all for it

Super duper. But I'm not addressing "no matter who you blame for it," I'm addressing the idea that this is on Khamzat more than DDP. So, if we're talking about different things, fair enough.

 

[pātrēärkē]

TS, you don't know what Lay'n'pray is.

Lay'n'pray is to lay on your back with your opponent in a dominant position, holding on to him praying the ref stands you up. (You lay'n'pray from the bottom position, not the top you doofus).

You certainly know what mental gymnastics is, I'll give you that.

 

[KO Shotz]

Complete domination by the champ. Terrible defensive performance by the former champ. If you don’t like technique you don’t like fighting.