8K physical media

[TSO]

Film even on a big screen has never been indistinguishable from life and I doubt people would really want that. Maybe they would though who knows. I see kids these days watching movies at 60fps with the soap opera motion effect fully engaged and they think it looks better than 24fps which is what I swear by.

I want the film look, at its best. Not something indistinguishable from life. Film adds the character that makes these images timeless, imo. The inherant distortions and artifacts in film.

Soap opera effect hurts my soul

 

[TSO]

I watch all my movies on this https://epson.com/For-Home/Projecto...148bxO7hdv1YTN6PqUaAuRSEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#

 

[therealdope]

Yeah but 4K discs arent 4x blu ray which was 50gb. They only doubled capacity going from 1080p to 4k.

Scaling by the number of pixels, it would be 4x. The fact they fuck with bit rate is another matter.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

65mm theoretical is supposedly 14-16K (though analog is never 1:1 with digital and there's more than the size of the negative at play). The Wizard of Oz (Academy ratio film) was scanned at 8K years ago (and we can't really say if a higher resolution scan would help or not as it wasn't attempted and I don't think it has shown in 8K anywhere in theaters) and normal 70mm film is roughly 3.5 times larger than Academy ratio film. If we go by The Wizard of Oz example and theoretically say 8K nabs you a perfect 1:1 scan of 35mm Academy ratio film (which is not proven) and typical 65mm film is 3.5 times larger than Academy ratio film then 14K would nab you 1:1 with 65mm. But the issue is with analog film, the quality of the stock also matters including its' contrast, the silvers in the film itself, the composition of the film, whether it was shot with anamorphic compression onto the film's frame, etc.

Once a tv or tv type image is nearly indistinguishable from real life, that's when we see the upper limits, right now we are far from that realm.

The other side of the coin is even if you hit theoretical upper limits, the display you are watching on can benefit even if you are past that theoretical upper limit.

Lets use a current example like Evil Dead 4k UHD. Everyone basically says 35mm is roughly 4K but here's an example of a low budget 16mm production utilizing a 4k scan. Where this really comes into play is when you are watching on a higher resolution screen meaning I'll take a 4k scan of 16mm when watching on a 4k screen over a 2k scan of 16mm on a 4k screen because when a 2k scan is displayed on a 4k screen, it has to fill the screen and some process along the line requires an algorithm create pixels where there weren't pixels before. Where this could matter more is when everyone is on 8K screens which all manufacturers will end up pushing heavily at the end of the decade(they already are for many of their higher models). I could theoretically see a benefit of 35mm benefiting from 8k scans just from the simple fact that the content is being displayed on 8k screens. I still think they would need more that just 8k to sell this just like UHD bluray offers much more that just increased resolution like HDR.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Scaling by the number of pixels, it would be 4x. The fact they fuck with bit rate is another matter.

I am referring to the capacity of the discs.

Yes 4K is 4x the pixels of 1080p. But the discs are only double in size.

 

[TestosterOWN]

I’m curious if 4K streaming will ever take off. Many internet companies have data caps. Mine is like 1000gb a month. You’d be over within a few days streaming 4K movies and tv shows.

and I don’t even own a DVD player anymore. I’m straight up streaming everything. Fuck discs

 

[therealdope]

I’m curious if 4K streaming will ever take off. Many internet companies have data caps. Mine is like 1000gb a month. You’d be over within a few days streaming 4K movies and tv shows.

and I don’t even own a DVD player anymore. I’m straight up streaming everything. Fuck discs

this is 2020, right? You know there is 4k Netflix, right?

 

[bubbleboyjones]

I’m curious if 4K streaming will ever take off. Many internet companies have data caps. Mine is like 1000gb a month. You’d be over within a few days streaming 4K movies and tv shows.

and I don’t even own a DVD player anymore. I’m straight up streaming everything. Fuck discs

The max speed from UHD Netflix stream is 16 mbps(7 GB per hour) from what I understand. Do the math....you ain't burning through a 1000 Gb in a few days.

 

[sweetviolenturg]

The max speed from UHD Netflix stream is 16 mbps(7 GB per hour) from what I understand. Do the math....you ain't burning through a 1000 Gb in a few days.

I subscribe to premium Netflix for their 4K UHD content & it's definitely worth it IMO but it doesn't look nearly as good as a physical 4K disc. Same thing with Amazon Prime's 4K content. That's why I still enjoy collecting Blu-ray & 4K UHD disc physical media. The physical media looks better than streaming content & I buy/collect a lot of films that don't show up on any streaming service.

 

[Ladder Master]

I'm itching to go 4K, but don't want a smart TV recording me doing or saying indecent things. They all seem to be smart TV.

Just dont connect to network, wired or wireless.
Tape over spot you would be speaking into on remote.

Just like someone said your phone listens and tracks you already.

 

[GSP_37]

Just dont connect to network, wired or wireless.
Tape over spot you would be speaking into on remote.

Just like someone said your phone listens and tracks you already.

What about them recording, saving, then waiting for you to connect to run firmware update or some sort of mandatory internet verification?

My phone has whatever looks like privacy invasion stuff disabled... assuming that does something.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

I subscribe to premium Netflix for their 4K UHD content & it's definitely worth it IMO but it doesn't look nearly as good as a physical 4K disc. Same thing with Amazon Prime's 4K content. That's why I still enjoy collecting Blu-ray & 4K UHD disc physical media. The physical media looks better than streaming content & I buy/collect a lot of films that don't show up on any streaming service.

4k streaming is really good but yes you can't compete overall with a disc. Streaming does excellent in bright scenes without a lot of movement but really can fall apart in trickier situations. Sound is another area as well.

 

[sweetviolenturg]

4k streaming is really good but yes you can't compete overall with a disc. Streaming does excellent in bright scenes without a lot of movement but really can fall apart in trickier situations. Sound is another area as well.

Spot on. That's what I've noticed with both Netflix & Amazon as well.
I give big props to my satellite service, Direct TV for their 4K programming though. There's not a lot of it but what there is looks outstanding.

 

[rj144]

I’m curious if 4K streaming will ever take off. Many internet companies have data caps. Mine is like 1000gb a month. You’d be over within a few days streaming 4K movies and tv shows.

and I don’t even own a DVD player anymore. I’m straight up streaming everything. Fuck discs

What? I've had 4k Netflix and Amazon Prime for about 3 years now stream a ton.

 

[surrealworlds]

8k will be the upper limit but I doubt many people go past 4k. By the time 8k becomes popular VR/AR will finally be a viable solution.
VR is the obvious future it's just taking longer than expected to get the tech right.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

4K is overrated because the puny little sets people run it on already have small pixels. I have a 150in projection screen. The thing is 11ft wide and can fit four 70in tvs inside it and 1080p still looks extremely detailed up close.

I was considering upgrading to a native 4K Sony or JVC projector but after spending an hour watching them a best buy magnolia demo room, I just wasn't impressed. And these were 5 grand projectors.

The reason that 4k OLEDs looks so good has little to do with the 4K and mostly to do with the contrast ratio and color reproduction. This is why the last gen plasmas looked much sharper and clearer to their LED counterparts at the same 1080p resolution. All the LEDs had were peak brightness.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

No. Movies aren't filmed in 8k and most aren't even filmed in 4k. If you get a 4K UHD physical copy of a movie, it's going to be the best the movie is going to look at home and in a lot of ways, it will look even better than the home theater experience because of HDR. The only movies that would benefit from 8K would be 70mm movies which you can count on two hands in the last 100 years and the improvements would be minimal since we are watching on modest sized TV screens.

8K TVs might become a thing but it will just upscale 2K and 4K content and make it sharper. I'd be shocked if there is much native 8K content outside of demos. The reason for this is CGI and animation. Almost every movie now contains a huge amount of CG. Even movies that you wouldn't even think about CG like the Joker have entire cities and backdrops that are CG. Most of the time, CG is rendered in 2K. Avengers End Game - the most successful movie of all time - 2K. Not even 4K. Why? Computer processing power and manpower for CG effects.

Animated movies use server farms to render movies. Big Hero 6 for instance had 55,000 CPU cores rendering data all day, every day for HALF A YEAR just for 2K. If you rendered in 4K, now you are talking 2 years. 8K? 6 years. No one is going to spend the time and money spending years on rendering animated movies or CG effects when 99% of the audience won't even notice. Perhaps if CPU power gets exponentially better and someone devotes an entire warehouse of computers to render it might happen but I just can't see it.

As for physical media, I think this is the end. I'm a big physical media supporter for movies since I feel like this is the last chance to own your favorite movies. Thankfully, physical media didn't die with DVD when there was still a lot of room for improvement. With Blu-ray, you are getting very close to the movie theater experience. With 4K, you are pretty much better than the theater and have a master copy of the film. If 8K happens, it will be digital only or it will be like SACD where a handful of titles get put out and you'll have a single company making players.

 

[wlu.29]

Wait what? You said you couldn't buy one and I was nearly correcting you. Not only that, but most models are still 720-1080p.

No, most models are 4k

There are 720/1080p but if you're looking for anything 50" or bigger, it's all 4k from brands such as samsung, sony, Panasonic, LG

Lol if you buy TVs from another brand

 

[wlu.29]

I was just at best buy and picked up a 1080p 55" for a friend that had his stolen. There were lots of selections there and even more at Target and Walmart.

 

[Satanical Eve]

Arrow Films did a 4K remaster of RoboCop from the original film last year. Purchased the special edition version of it which features both the theatrical and director's cut in 4K. They did an amazing job granted there is some grain here and there with the director's cut but that can be forgiven.

Also 4K TV"s have dropped in price by a lot so anyone buying 50+ TV should definitely look to get a 4K TV right now. No sense in buying a 1080p TV if you go that size. I currently have this Sony 65 inch 4K I got last year and its great.