8K physical media

rj144 said:
Aren't you talking about the maximum storage capacity of those though which is independent of the movie? I think for the same length movie with the same bit rate, the 4k should be 4x's greater... maybe more when you take into account the higher bit depth.
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I'm just saying there's no precedent for a 4x increase in storage capacity

1080p blu ray max capacity - 50gb
4K blu ray max capacity - 100gb
 
Drain Bamage said:
I'm just saying there's no precedent for a 4x increase in storage capacity

1080p blu ray max capacity - 50gb
4K blu ray max capacity - 100gb
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Fine... but hour for hour, it's 4x's more.
 
rj144 said:
Fine... but hour for hour, it's 4x's more.
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As is 4k to 1080p, and yet they only doubled capacity. I feel like 4K's should have gotten a bigger disc. I haven't adopted the format but from what I can see, it seems like they have less space on the 4K discs for special features compared to blu ray.

Blu ray compared to DVD was a huge increase in storage space.. like 7x more storage for 4x more pixels.
 
Drain Bamage said:
As is 4k to 1080p, and yet they only doubled capacity. I feel like 4K's should have gotten a bigger disc. I haven't adopted the format but from what I can see, it seems like they have less space on the 4K discs for special features compared to blu ray.

Blu ray compared to DVD was a huge increase in storage space.. like 7x more storage for 4x more pixels.
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Yeah, but most Blurays are less than 25 GB when actually put on the disc, so they probably realized no one is filling them up anyhow. And, the maximum size is more about the laser, than how much data is needed.
 
rj144 said:
Yeah, but most Blurays are less than 25 GB when actually put on the disc
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That's not true. Not sure where you are getting that. Almost all blu rays are 50gb. Only some from like 2006-2007 are 25gb when HD-DVD was still a thing and companies were just porting the transfers between the two.
 
rj144 said:
You're thinking of the maximum size.

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-rip-blu-ray-discs-to-your-pc

"A typical Blu-ray movie usually ranges from 15GB to 30GB in size..."

From 2018.
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Halloween (1978) shout factory was 33gb for the movie only. That's a 90 min movie. Thats the only one of mine ive ripped.

Regardless... i highly doubt 1 terabyte containers will be used to 8k physical media if/when it happens. But maybe they will go all out. Once you are at 8K im not sure where you go beyond that. That is getting into the upper limits of 70mm or IMAX celluloid film theoretical resolution.
 
Drain Bamage said:
Why are you beating a dead horse bro. Ita fine if all u wanted was 1080p but 4K is the new standard now. Its not somrthing only rich people have. Walmart sells Samsung 4k tvs for a few hundred bucks.
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It's funny how bent out of shape you're getting over this. I was just correcting you on the claim that's it's hard to find them. They still make up over 50% of tv/monitors being sold.
 
I just decided to upgrade from the television that I got this past summer. I was in a hurry to replace the one that the movers "lost" somewhere between New York & Arizona. So, I made a hasty decision to go with a 65" LG 4K OLED rather than getting the 75" that I really wanted. I considered just biting the bullet & getting an 8K model but I decided to wait for a couple more years to go 8K as I just couldn't justify paying $4500-$5000 right now.
So, I just went with the 75" 4K OLED for our living room & we're putting the 65" in our bedroom where we just have a 32" standard HDTV at the moment. But, we wound up having to wait until tomorrow to do it because when the 75" was delivered this afternoon & I unboxed it the screen was cracked in three places. So, they're replacing it tomorrow.

As for the probability of there eventually being 8K discs, I suppose that all depends on the demand for physical media when 8K becomes the standard. Personally, I don't plan on upgrading my collection past 4K UHD discs. But, of course I said the same thing about Blu-ray & I've got a lot of 4K discs now so, we shall see.
 
I'm itching to go 4K, but don't want a smart TV recording me doing or saying indecent things. They all seem to be smart TV.
 
GSP_37 said:
I'm itching to go 4K, but don't want a smart TV recording me doing or saying indecent things. They all seem to be smart TV.
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Don't worry. Your phone had been doing it for years.
 
TSO said:
Hard to believe or not there was one in every brand.
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Not in 55" for every brand. Unless you start naming them besides a single Insignia model thats out there or another random Chinese brand. No 55" 1080p Sony, Samsung, LG, Sharp....there is still a few misc 1080p sizes out there from these brands but they are scattered and smaller.
 
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bubbleboyjones said:
Not in 55" for every brand. Unless you start naming them besides a single Insignia model thats out there or another random Chinese brand. No 55" 1080p Sony, Samsung, LG, Sharp....there is still a few misc 1080p sizes out there from these brands but they are scattered and smaller.
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It was the insignia I got for him.
 
Drain Bamage said:
Halloween (1978) shout factory was 33gb for the movie only. That's a 90 min movie. Thats the only one of mine ive ripped.

Regardless... i highly doubt 1 terabyte containers will be used to 8k physical media if/when it happens. But maybe they will go all out. Once you are at 8K im not sure where you go beyond that. That is getting into the upper limits of 70mm or IMAX celluloid film theoretical resolution.
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65mm theoretical is supposedly 14-16K (though analog is never 1:1 with digital and there's more than the size of the negative at play). The Wizard of Oz (Academy ratio film) was scanned at 8K years ago (and we can't really say if a higher resolution scan would help or not as it wasn't attempted and I don't think it has shown in 8K anywhere in theaters) and normal 70mm film is roughly 3.5 times larger than Academy ratio film. If we go by The Wizard of Oz example and theoretically say 8K nabs you a perfect 1:1 scan of 35mm Academy ratio film (which is not proven) and typical 65mm film is 3.5 times larger than Academy ratio film then 14K would nab you 1:1 with 65mm. But the issue is with analog film, the quality of the stock also matters including its' contrast, the silvers in the film itself, the composition of the film, whether it was shot with anamorphic compression onto the film's frame, etc.

Once a tv or tv type image is nearly indistinguishable from real life, that's when we see the upper limits, right now we are far from that realm.
 
Plissken said:
65mm theoretical is supposedly 14-16K (though analog is never 1:1 with digital and there's more than the size of the negative at play). The Wizard of Oz (Academy ratio film) was scanned at 8K years ago (and we can't really say if a higher resolution scan would help or not as it wasn't attempted and I don't think it has shown in 8K anywhere in theaters) and normal 70mm film is roughly 3.5 times larger than Academy ratio film. If we go by The Wizard of Oz example and theoretically say 8K nabs you a perfect 1:1 scan of 35mm Academy ratio film (which is not proven) and typical 65mm film is 3.5 times larger than Academy ratio film then 14K would nab you 1:1 with 65mm. But the issue is with analog film, the quality of the stock also matters including its' contrast, the silvers in the film itself, the composition of the film, whether it was shot with anamorphic compression onto the film's frame, etc.

Once a tv or tv type image is nearly indistinguishable from real life, that's when we see the upper limits, right now we are far from that realm.
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Film even on a big screen has never been indistinguishable from life and I doubt people would really want that. Maybe they would though who knows. I see kids these days watching movies at 60fps with the soap opera motion effect fully engaged and they think it looks better than 24fps which is what I swear by.

I want the film look, at its best. Not something indistinguishable from life. Film adds the character that makes these images timeless, imo. The inherant distortions and artifacts in film.
 
Yeah 8k blu rays will def be a thing, they sell 8k tv’s now so eventually they’ll have native res content (and judging by current internet speeds it won’t be streamed any time soon).
 
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