Why do we allow primitive tribes to still exist ?

Bring them alcohol and porn. They'll come around.
 
dirtypablo said:
The thread is about people living in sustainable isolated communities. People who make no effort to join the modern world. So no, they wouldnt flood first world countries.
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they don't make an effort to join the modern world because they don't know what the modern world is.

if you're saying that these people don't know modernity, then i agree with you. they of course wouldn't want to embrace modernity because they wouldn't know about it. but if you're saying that they would stay in their isolated communities with the full knowledge of modernity, and if given the chance to live in modernity? then i disagree with you.
 
IIIIIIII said:
they don't make an effort to join the modern world because they don't know what the modern world is.

if you're saying that these people don't know modernity, then i agree with you. they of course wouldn't want to embrace modernity because they wouldn't know about it. but if you're saying that they would stay in their isolated communities with the full knowledge of modernity, and if given the chance to live in modernity? then i disagree with you.
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There are plenty of groups living in the Amazon for example, that have communication with outsiders, and know about modern technology to some degree, but still maintain their way of life.
 
Organic Damage said:
Prime Directive IMO.

Fuck off "helping less advanced peoples". That's part of the reason so many parts of the world are as messed up as they are today.
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Agreed. Introducing technology does not change the culture, it just makes them more advanced tech wise. Can look at any 3rd world country to see how that goes.

If we literally drug them into the modern world and destroyed their culture it would probably improve their lives in a literal sense, but it seems kind of pointless.
 
dirtypablo said:
There are plenty of groups living in the Amazon for example, that have communication with outsiders, and know about modern technology to some degree, but still maintain their way of life.
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Because a sustainable, yet primitive life in the jungle is far better than living in a crime ridden favela.

People who argue in favor of integration are thinking in their own cozy, suburban life and not the fact that a lot of these people are under sovereignity of a third world country and would join the immediate bottom of said society.

The san people were integrated by force and many found their way back to the desert.
 
This type of crap has been used to argue in favor of forced assimilation throughout history.
 
IIIIIIII said:
that would be pretty cool. for a little while. at a certain point, you're going to be pissed off that you have to spend hours of your day doing something basic like feeding yourself. by the time you do the basics, it'll be time for bed. and worse still, you'd know that others are living a much easier life, with time to post on sherdog.
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How is this different then people in first world countries who work 8 or more hours a day at a job they hate just to pay the basics? I'd rather hunt/fish over being a desk jockey any day. I'm not saying I'd like to live in a primitive tribe, but I can see the value in both modern and primitive living.
 
Kinda funny how many people the west already cant take of. People who want to be civilized. And yet we feel the need to fuck these peoples lives up to so we can give them longer lives. It's a joke. There are 200. Why not just help 200 kids from Milwaukee or something instead.
 
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


^^^^
 
MusterX said:
These people are probably free on a level that most modern people can't even comprehend. No landlord, no cops, no government, no taxes, etc. I almost envy them if not for the fact they still think its 10,000 B.C.
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they also have no medicine, no education, no literature and if they don't live near advanced society. when enemy comes, they can't defends themselves.
 
Pem123 said:
they also have no medicine, no education, no literature and if they don't live near advanced society. when enemy comes, they can't defends themselves.
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And they live in the middle of nowhere, so who is going for them again?
 
LucasWithLidOff said:
It's pretty well documented the Europeans felt justified to colonize in order to civilize.
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The Europeans (in addition to every other colonizing force) felt justified in all the crap they did. And a lot of it was just so god awful. It's the height of hubris to look on a different culture as "primitive" or "savage" because they have a society that works different than yours does. I suggest reading "On Cannibals" by Montaigne or "Things Fall Apart" by Achebe.
 
Limbo Pete said:
The Europeans (in addition to every other colonizing force) felt justified in all the crap they did. And a lot of it was just so god awful. It's the height of hubris to look on a different culture as "primitive" or "savage" because they have a society that works different than yours does. I suggest reading "On Cannibals" by Montaigne or "Things Fall Apart" by Achebe.
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Catholic church did prevented the conquest of mexico and latin america to becoming far more brutal than it could had been.

Conversion and legal status as subjects of the king, along with encouragement of intermixing prevented the more encroach, kill and rout approach seen on english colonization.

Disease was going to kill most of the people of America, regardless of peace. Old world diseases killed like 75% of the population.
 
MaTaLa said:
Pick your standards. Longevity is not the only marker.
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Less war, less violent crime, less poverty, less disease, the almost entire eradication of slavery, less persecution based on race, religion or sexuality. Widespread literacy and freedom of speech, more opportunities for women, a colossal amount of information available for next to nothing.

Even if you live in the shittiest of shitholes, then 2014 is at least no worse than any other time in history. For most of us, the modern world is a marked improvement over what has gone before.

If you're interested, check out the book 'Better Angels of Our Nature' by Steven Pinker. It's about how violence has decreased spectacularly over time. I can't lie and say it's an entertaining read (Pinker's style is not exactly riveting), but overall it is fascinating.
 
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