Why do we allow primitive tribes to still exist ?

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Saw this and wondered what sherdog thinks. This guy makes the argument that it is inhumane to allow these primitive tribes like the Sentinelese to live their lives the way they do are cause we have meds and tech that could better them to live longer.




http://www.ted.com/conversations/10166/why_do_we_allow_primitive_trib.html

Who decides what is "helping" someone? Or are we saying well what we think is all that matters and if you don't agree well fuck you.
I think there should be no native land inside america's borders
but I think we should leave remote tribes alone as much as is reasonable

Your line of thought leads to very scary results (or the thoughts of that article)

It's time for a pride parade to be marching through their island

They are already looking for 4 year old boy male Gay Icons . . .

 

[Krav McGraw]

Just like the Injins!

 

[Krav McGraw]

More divorce, suicide, addiction, (show me the stats on less violent crime, I live in a HOA and got a drive by having 9 shots unloaded into the house), more exploitation of the masses, bigger rift between the haves and have nots, less ozone, destroying species, loss of the nuclear family, mass killings, serial killers, genocides, etc.

Literally, none of this is true.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

First of all, who are "we"? "White" people? Americans? Europeans? Asians?

Second of all, what do you mean by "allow [them] to still exist"?

As for the Sentinelese, refer here: https://www.quora.com/Are-we-cruel-to-the-Sentinelese-people-by-isolating-them

1 post, Necros a 3 year old thread?

 

[Rational Poster]

Saw this and wondered what sherdog thinks. This guy makes the argument that it is inhumane to allow these primitive tribes like the Sentinelese to live their lives the way they do are cause we have meds and tech that could better them to live longer.




http://www.ted.com/conversations/10166/why_do_we_allow_primitive_trib.html

In America we call them Republicans.

 

[Fawlty]

We allow the Republican party to exist, so there's really no bottom floor on this ride.

 

[Fawlty]

In America we call them Republicans.

Aw you fucker with the quickness.

 

[Shaungotti]

Comparing them to babies eating candy is a weak argument. Pretty much the definition of a false equivalence, IMO.

On a personal level, I do have to remind myself that there are still tribes out there living primitive lives, at least by our definition. Kind of blows my mind.

To suggest that we should somehow intervene is pretty arrogant though. Let them be.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

I say if they look for help we help them. If they don't let them be. I would imagine the older ones would be resistant to change

Sounds like conservatives...except the tribes want to preserve values a little further back....

Contrary to popular belief however...allot of these tribes do use some modern inventions like metal pots and machetes.

Just like modern western conservatives still believe in christianity..a middle eastern religion.

"Muh excuses"

 

[hillelslovak87]

In an election year in the mid 2000s, Michael Bloomberg refused to prosecute a Jewish Mohel who had given numerous children HIV and hepatitis. When asked why, in a civil society, one would allow barbarism, Bloomberg stated that we dont want to limit the full expression of religion, and if we did, our societies would be worse off.

That is the line of reasoning.

 

[AviatorShades]

Our "happiness" metrics revolve around nonsense like social services expenditure. Some of the "happiest" urbanized countries in the world are in the midst of suicide epidemics.

He is correct that most would remain in the city, but probably incorrect that they would become "happier". Read about theories similar to Paradox of Choice. Infinite distractions/complexity make us miserable but once we learn of their existence, we can't pull away.

 

[IDL]

Our "happiness" metrics revolve around nonsense like social services expenditure. Some of the "happiest" urbanized countries in the world are in the midst of suicide epidemics.

He is correct that most would remain in the city, but probably incorrect that they would become "happier". Google Paradox of Choice. Infinite distractions/complexity make us miserable but once we learn of their existence, we can't pull away.

Jordan Peterson touched on this briefly. In terms of too much freedom without guidance is chaos. As in, here you are in a boat in the ocean and you can go any direction you want, but you do not have a map or any sense of where you are.

Might be different than the infinite choices/distractions problem, but similar at least.

 

[Fawlty]

In an election year in the mid 2000s, Michael Bloomberg refused to prosecute a Jewish Mohel who had given numerous children HIV and hepatitis. When asked why, in a civil society, one would allow barbarism, Bloomberg stated that we dont want to limit the full expression of religion, and if we did, our societies would be worse off.

That is the line of reasoning.

Source?

There have been cases of herpes and that's bad enough, but I never heard of this.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Source?

There have been cases of herpes and that's bad enough, but I never heard of this.

Here is the case Bloomberg was initially famous for being involved with
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/nyregion/city-questions-circumcision-ritual-after-baby-dies.html

The AIDs issue is more of a christian, african issue. The procedure is basically the same as mohels do in America.

Many, many children in America have died from infections from rotting teeth of mohels. The mohel cuts the prepuse to the point of barely being connected, then he puts his mouth on a baby penis, and sucks off the skin and blood.

Fucking insane.

 

[AviatorShades]

Jordan Peterson touched on this briefly. In terms of too much freedom without guidance is chaos. As in, here you are in a boat in the ocean and you can go any direction you want, but you do not have a map or any sense of where you are.

Might be different than the infinite choices/distractions problem, but similar at least.

They definitely tie into each other.

Paradox of Choice illustrates its point using consumerism (more product choices=lower satisfaction, regardless of quality or function), but it can be applied to pretty much every other aspect of life (example; population density vs divorce rate).

I think Jordan (and Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, et al.) is applying the same theme to the west after its abandonment of traditional religion and ancestor reverence. We encourage our offspring to choose from infinite sets of norms. The lack of a 'default' allows them to shop for a new set of norms every time they fail/violate their current choice. After changing X times they become disillusioned with the concept of purpose itself thus their own being.

 

[Bloodworth]

Aren't the refugees primitive. They will struggle and become jealous in modern countries

 

[Fawlty]

Here is the case Bloomberg was initially famous for being involved with
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/nyregion/city-questions-circumcision-ritual-after-baby-dies.html

The AIDs issue is more of a christian, african issue. The procedure is basically the same as mohels do in America.

Many, many children in America have died from infections from rotting teeth of mohels. The mohel cuts the prepuse to the point of barely being connected, then he puts his mouth on a baby penis, and sucks off the skin and blood.

Fucking insane.

I'm familiar with the batshit crazy ritual (it should have been eradicated 100 years ago), I just don't think a mohel was giving kids AIDS.

 

[SenorGuillen]

Not surprised to see the typical "we should exterminate them with gas" comments.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

We allow the Republican party to exist, so there's really no bottom floor on this ride.

Republicans---- you mean that party that was formed to free the slaves in america???? The party that MLK, Harriet Tubman, and Frederick Douglas belonged to???

The democrats, the party of white supremacy and racism and the KKK and Jim Crow???

Yet, Socialists have been responsible for more genocide and human misery than everyone else combined. Even Islam over centuries cannot compare to Stalin.
Nazis (national socialists), commies from USSR/china/pol pot, have murdered so many millions more.


You sound like a genocidal racist. It fits.

 

[IDL]

They definitely tie into each other.

Paradox of Choice illustrates its point using consumerism (more product choices=lower satisfaction, regardless of quality or function), but it can be applied to pretty much every other aspect of life (example; population density vs divorce rate).

I think Jordan (and Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, et al.) is applying the same theme to the west after its abandonment of traditional religion and ancestor reverence. We encourage our offspring to choose from infinite sets of norms. The lack of a 'default' allows them to shop for a new set of norms every time they fail/violate their current choice. After changing X times they become disillusioned with the concept of purpose itself thus their own being.

Hard not to agree with the gist of that.

People in such a context are easily drawn into manufactured 'movements' as well, to fill a void and find a purpose.

I think about the too many choices problem sometimes when I simply go buy a coffee from a coffee shop. There are so many options and variations on the menu for what was normally a simple drink. I like my regular coffee. Nice and simple. That trivial situation is multiplied though, and affects so many facets of peoples lives.