Warhammer 40k

[whougonnacall]

Yeah more has emerged from 8th edition
Seems cawl experimented with other forbidden legion gene seeds and produced a handful showing no aborations or other issues
The legions are numbered and on reddit someone pointed out 2 of the gene seeds tried were the lost legions!!!

Guilliman spoilsport however has forbidden use of these gene seeds for large production despite the sucess

It also seems hes shut off the libary on ultramar so he can build his own accurate unaltered version of historybto help future leaders..a codex leadership if u will....however his own brief alternative empire will be redacted hence the libary being shut! The sneaky git

Im.still dying to know if octavarian war (tyranids vs orks) has been resolved
It wouldnt hurt thebtyranids to lose as theyve multiple fleets and possibly more comming but a victorious ork under ghazza could benlike the orks of ultramar or the beast ! Aka a far better for storyline resolution

 

[whougonnacall]

Also dunno if this has been discussed
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rangdan_Xenocides
Hints one or more of lost legions was lost to this ..but if so why the shame and deletion from records? Corrupted somehow?

Also hints the emperor needed his old pal the dragon on mars help! Or another c'tan

 

[GhostZ06]

Yeah more has emerged from 8th edition
Seems cawl experimented with other forbidden legion gene seeds and produced a handful showing no aborations or other issues
The legions are numbered and on reddit someone pointed out 2 of the gene seeds tried were the lost legions!!!

Guilliman spoilsport however has forbidden use of these gene seeds for large production despite the sucess

It also seems hes shut off the libary on ultramar so he can build his own accurate unaltered version of historybto help future leaders..a codex leadership if u will....however his own brief alternative empire will be redacted hence the libary being shut! The sneaky git

Im.still dying to know if octavarian war (tyranids vs orks) has been resolved
It wouldnt hurt thebtyranids to lose as theyve multiple fleets and possibly more comming but a victorious ork under ghazza could benlike the orks of ultramar or the beast ! Aka a far better for storyline resolution

i'm fucking...what?!



they better flesh this the fuck out

 

[GhostZ06]

Also dunno if this has been discussed
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rangdan_Xenocides
Hints one or more of lost legions was lost to this ..but if so why the shame and deletion from records? Corrupted somehow?

Also hints the emperor needed his old pal the dragon on mars help! Or another c'tan

didnt he impression the void dragon and if i recall, the rangdan where extra galactic?

im guessing they're planning on dropping a few books on this subject aka the dark imperium saga

 

[whougonnacall]

didnt he impression the void dragon and if i recall, the rangdan where extra galactic?

im guessing they're planning on dropping a few books on this subject aka the dark imperium saga

Says from far reaches/halo stars region dunno about outside of galaxy
(If so maybe they are what the tyranids run from?)
Yeah the vault on mars so id assume he went to 'talk' to his old buddy..fuck knows what the deal struck was

A lotta grim shit there ......no wonder a few chapters sit there on standby!

Really hope so its sounds like a fucking hugeeee event!!!!!

 

[whougonnacall]

i'm fucking...what?!

they better flesh this the fuck out

Itd be awesome
The gene seed of the 2 missing would give hints to their primarchs and whole legion 'feel'
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/6fbl7a/mildly_interesting_thing_ive_read_in_dark/

 

[GhostZ06]

Says from far reaches/halo stars region dunno about outside of galaxy
(If so maybe they are what the tyranids run from?)
Yeah the vault on mars so id assume he went to 'talk' to his old buddy..fuck knows what the deal struck was

A lotta grim shit there ......no wonder a few chapters sit there on standby!

Really hope so its sounds like a fucking hugeeee event!!!!!

i doubt it was the Rangdan that the nids are running from. it appears the imperium was victorious either way an the nids still seem like a harder fight then the Rangdan

 

[whougonnacall]

i doubt it was the Rangdan that the nids are running from. it appears the imperium was victorious either way an the nids still seem like a harder fight then the Rangdan

Hard to compare the 2
Bear in mind the imperium was more badass back then and this threat still required big e to vist the dragon!!!! thats friggin huge man

Side note described as cerbavores....cerebrum....hmm brain eaters sounds like!

 

[GhostZ06]

Hard to compare the 2
Bear in mind the imperium was more badass back then and this threat still required big e to vist the dragon!!!! thats friggin huge man

Side note described as cerbavores....cerebrum....hmm brain eaters sounds like!

well wasn't it rumored they were controlled by those magot people?

 

[JBSchroeds]

After some feedback from dakka I went back through the model and made some major changes. Here's the pics.

Spoiler

 

[whougonnacall]

well wasn't it rumored they were controlled by those magot people?

It said they ''possesed slaugh murder minds''
Hard to know what that means the wiki i think says it could mean they were a slave race...but somehow i doubt it
The slaugh controlling them seems unlikely
the wormmen seem more advanced than mankind but afraid to reveal themselves....possibly due to small numbers ...their mo seems infiltration and sneaking to achieve their dark ends
I get the impression the wormmens civilisation is in no position to openly challenge us like these guys did...maybe they saw these bad boys potential and gave them some extra tech to assist them ...that would fit the slaught better, watch a giant war errupt allowing them to slip into human space easier and prey on us! Or maybe the 2 species never met and its just a vauge description

im guessing possesing slaught murder minds either means they
A) have a similar sinister mindset/treatment of humans ie as creatures to be manipulated,terrified then fed on (both species its suggested feed on our juicy brains)

B) maybe refers to a type of pskyer ability similar to slaugh like some sort of ability to melt brains

C) slaugh known for everything bio mechanics ..maybe slaugh murder minds are a name we gave one of their tool/weapons! like an orgainic looking gun/bomb that armour and shields have a hard time stopping and lobotimizes its target!
Or some sort of small facehugger/parasite/flying creepy bastard thing that if it gets on you will murder your mind as it feeds


The possibilities are endlessly dark!

 

[GhostZ06]

After some feedback from dakka I went back through the model and made some major changes. Here's the pics.
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god damn @JBSchroeds that thing is fucking sexual

 

[GhostZ06]

It said they ''possesed slaugh murder minds''
Hard to know what that means the wiki i think says it could mean they were a slave race...but somehow i doubt it
The slaugh controlling them seems unlikely
the wormmen seem more advanced than mankind but afraid to reveal themselves....possibly due to small numbers ...their mo seems infiltration and sneaking to achieve their dark ends
I get the impression the wormmens civilisation is in no position to openly challenge us like these guys did...maybe they saw these bad boys potential and gave them some extra tech to assist them ...that would fit the slaught better, watch a giant war errupt allowing them to slip into human space easier and prey on us! Or maybe the 2 species never met and its just a vauge description

im guessing possesing slaught murder minds either means they
A) have a similar sinister mindset/treatment of humans ie as creatures to be manipulated,terrified then fed on (both species its suggested feed on our juicy brains)

B) maybe refers to a type of pskyer ability similar to slaugh like some sort of ability to melt brains

C) slaugh known for everything bio mechanics ..maybe slaugh murder minds are a name we gave one of their tool/weapons! like an orgainic looking gun/bomb that armour and shields have a hard time stopping and lobotimizes its target!
Or some sort of small facehugger/parasite/flying creepy bastard thing that if it gets on you will murder your mind as it feeds


The possibilities are endlessly dark!

well what is this Dark imperium stuff i'm hearing about? It's a new novel series correct?

 

[whougonnacall]

well what is this Dark imperium stuff i'm hearing about? It's a new novel series correct?

Novels yep ,possibly a frig load of boards and new minatures to collect
Basicaly in fluff it refers to everything trapped on otherside of rift such as the blood angels planet (so we already know how that plays out with the nids)

 

[GhostZ06]

Just found some more information about fluff, some of it is probably already known though:

• The hot topic is the Great Rift, dividing the galaxy in two. One side can't see the Astronomican's light anymore. Half of the space marines chapters are unaccounted for and a few of them got destroyed.
  
  
• Assault on Terra, Emperor's palace was assaulted by a Khorne army, but RowBowTee took charge of the defense with Primaris + Cutodes + Sister of Silence.
  
  
• During the darkest hour, when all communication where cut, multiple sightings of the Legion of the Damned, (Baal, Armageddon...and hundreds more planets)
  
  
• Indomitus Crusade: Lots of different strike forces, lead by Guilliman. Imperial Fists are mentioned leading.
  
  
• Armageddon: Mega Warp storms transform half the planet into a daemon world, Khorne and Tzeentch fight each other so much, that orcs and human fought side by side (briefly). Note: Salamanders prevented a ritual to summon Angron back to the planet!
  
  
• Baal: Blood Angels nearly wiped by Leviathan's fleet, saved by the rift and Guilliman. Expect a Khorne vs Blood Angels thing in the future.
  
  
• Plague of plagues: Mortarion besieges Ultramar - there's even a mention of a fight between the two brothers.
  
  
• An intermittent passage through the Great Rift was discovered near the Eye of Terror. Revealing a sector owned by Chaos Imperial Knights!
  
  
• Fulgrim used the warp tainted scar from Kor Phaeron's athame (Horus Heresy: Know no Fear) to wound his brother.
  
  
• Thiel became Captain of the 2nd Company of the Ultramarines after the Heresy! Sadly, his final fate is unknown (Guilliman can't find any records of him in 40k).
  
  
• Guilliman is Imperial Regent in 40k - the voice of the Emperor himself.
  
  
• The plan for the Primaris was indeed made before Guillis death, Cawl was oathbounded and used the millenia to craft these Legions.
  
  
• Cawl originally created tens of thousands of Primaris Marines over the course of 10k years.
  
  
• Half of them were originally formed into chapters.
  
  
• The other were gathered into big armies, each from one primarch's gene line. They wear the colours of the original legions, badges are crossed with grey chevrons.
  
  
• These armies IGNORED the Codex Astartes.
  
  
• The Primaris Marines sometimes fought like the Great Crusade Legions, sometimes as little kill teams, sometimes the size of two chapters.
  
  
• Later in the crusade, mixed forces from different gene lines were used (so, f.e. an unit made up from an Ultramarine, Imperial Fist and Space Wolf).
  
• Named the "Unnumbered Sons of the Primarchs" - also known as Greyshields.
  
  
• The Unnumbered Sons fought in the colours and heraldry of their parent Chapter, but with a grey chevron covering part of the Chapter symbol. They fought in groups of mixed gene lineage to learn each others strengths better and because Guilliman believed that the distance between the various Legions played a big part in the Heresy.
  
  
• During the time of the Indomitus Crusade, more and more of these died, or got assigned to different chapters. This is a big problem for the Primaris Marines because they started to like their brethren - it doesn't matters from which gene seed they are for them.
  
  
• 100 years after the Gathering Storm, only 20.000 Unnumbered Sons remained. They are disbanded totally at the end of the Crusade.
  
  
• By the end of the Crusade, 112 years after Gathering Storm, Primaris Marines are believed to be accepted by 94% of Chapters.
  
  
• When Guilliman was reborn, he didn't really understand what happened in the last 10k years, so he kind of re-iterated the remembrancers.
  
  
• Initially, Cawl gave him machine-moderated engrammatic updates (sounds painful? yep it is).
  
  
• Belisarius Cawl is quite detached from the wider galaxy - he lived for the quest of creating the Primaris Marines. He also has his own sub faction within the Mechanicus, and not everyone there likes him for what he does (tech heresy?).
  
  
• The history records of 40k are really really really bad (I think this will finally end the Black Library vs Codex canon discussion ). Actually, they are worse than during the Unification Wars!
  
  
• Most of the history of old earth and the Crusade that got pieced together by the 30k remembrancers is lost in 40k.
  
  
• While it was impossible to suppress the knowledge of the warp, the Inquisition tried. Guilliman doesn't really like that they killed innocents just for keeping the secret of Daemons.
  
  
• The Inquisition even opposed Guilliman on his quest for knowledge.
  
  
• The Chronostrife - a war withing the Ordo Chronos. It's about the Imperial dating system. Not even the calendar of the Great Crusade had survived 10.000 years ...
  
  
• During the Great Crusade and the Heresy, there was a standard time dating system.
  
  
• A true chronicle of the galaxy is almost impossible now. Guilliman calculates the current year anywhere between early M41 and M42. This is pretty much the in universe reason why we have no timeline anymore, and why we are "still in 999.M41, or aren't we?".
  
  
• There are now Tetrarchs again in 40k with 5 Primus planets
  
  
• Getting a 10 chapters stationed permanently within Ultramar (8 of which are purely Primaris ones).
  
  
• The Sisters of Silence see Guilliman as living saint - they are glad he is back and they worship him.
  
  
• The Custodes are actually quite grumpy. The know now they sat 10k years of Terra doing nothing (besides beeing killed by Harlequins). They are now back in the fight though!
  
  
• When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool. So yeah, this builds up on the MoM story line.
  
  
• The Emperor's humanity is all but gone in 40k.
  
  
• The psychic aftershocks of his visit with the Emperor still trouble Guilliman 100 years later - his "father" lost his subtlety.
  
  
• He's unsure whether the Emperor is a God or not, though still leaning towards no.
  
  
• He also no longer sleeps after being brought back from the dead.
  
  
• The aeldari told Guilliman the history of the universe - including the war in heaven, and about chaos.
  
  
• It seems like (at least some of) the Primaris Marines spend 10k years in and out of stasis.
  
  
• Already 100 years after the Heresy, the normal Space Marines seemed to be weaker and worse than GC era Marines.
  
  
• There are Primaris Librarians.
  
  
• It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan (as in, he doesn't really love them) of the Primaris Marines.
  
  
• He only sees them as a tool (at least for now).
  
  
• Cawl tries to persuade Guilliman into using geneseed from traitor and lost legions.
  
  "The warriors were not at fault. The science was not at fault. Their primarchs were. Chapters from your Gene-line have also fallen in the past millennia, lord regent, and we do not censor them." "I said no!" said Guilliman forcefully.
  
  
• It's also implied that he actually is a psyker and tries not to use his potential because of Magnus' censorship. The Emperor's sword is actually a psy-weapon (hence the fire), but he doesn't use it with all his powers.
  
  
• He still thinks in practica and theoretica
  
  
• Sicarius now leads the Victrix Guard. Guilliman thinks he is a bit like Thiel, and he is trying to form him into a real (political) leader, not only a warrior champion.
  
  
• Guilli doesn't need to wear his armour. His new armour is not worn over his old one.
  
  
• Russ and Khan were still there and kicking when Guilliman got "killed".
  
  
• There is a new flyer called "Overlord". Thunderhawks look like toys next to it - it's basically a Primaris Stormbird.
  
  
• New unit Aggressors: Wearing gravis armour and armed with flamers of some kind.
  
  
• New unit Reivers: Infiltration and close combat specialists, wear a special stealth armour and carry powered blades. Have skull helmets.
  
  
• New equivalent for Terminators - Marines in Gravis Armour (same as the Captain from the starter box)
  
  
• There are two prominent Primaris characters. Justinian who gets sent to an Ultramarine successor chapter and Captain Felix who later becomes a Tetrach of the Eastern Quadrant of Ultramar.
  
  Justinian is in an Inceptor squad. He loves doing orbital drops and getting a birds eye view of the battlefields. He often likes to paint the scenery after every battle. He's friends/squadmates with Imperial Fist, Dark Angel and Space Wolf Primaris Marines. The Imperial Fist is pretty chill. The Space Wolf is loud and loves to make jokes. The Dark Angel exists to make conversations awkward and the atmosphere uncomfortable. Felix is a pretty solid character. Confident in his abilities and leadership qualities but not hesitant to look to the old type marines for experience fighting chaos.
  
  
• Cawl is currently tasked with recreating the Pylons so Guilliman can seal the holes in space.
  
  Trying to find intact Pylons, and working with Eldar, Necron and Old One technology. He believes each race had a piece of a bigger picture and that by combining their works he can do big things. Really wants to be Fabricator-General of Mars but is way too Heretek for it. Guilliman forsees a time where Cawl may become a problem for the Imperium.
  
  
• Primaris Scouts!
  
  
• Still nothing about Cypher
  
  
• Mortarion: Never got over his hatred for warpcraft, despite becoming a daemon.
  
  Not following Nurgle's plan much to the disgust of Typhus, though he personally believes Nurgle would be pleased by his initiative. He hunted his alien step-dad's soul across the warp and has it imprison in a jar, where he torments it with spiritual sicknesses. Like Fulgrim did 10,000 years ago he's trying to kill Guilliman because he knows the Imperium will collapse without him.

in bald gentlemen....all the stuff we need to talk about....

 

[GhostZ06]

Novels yep ,possibly a frig load of boards and new minatures to collect
Basicaly in fluff it refers to everything trapped on otherside of rift such as the blood angels planet (so we already know how that plays out with the nids)

also this weird passage threw the war that leads to worlds owned by choas knights?


WTF?


a lotof weird fillers.



And Crawl owns a section and has a sub faction in the mechanicum.. so i guess he's doing actually doing science and innovation ?

 

[whougonnacall]

in bald gentlemen....all the stuff we need to talk about....

Awesome thank u dude!
Fuck still no mention of ork vs tyranid outcome!!!

 

[whougonnacall]

also this weird passage threw the war that leads to worlds owned by choas knights?


WTF?


a lotof weird fillers.



And Crawl owns a section and has a sub faction in the mechanicum.. so i guess he's doing actually doing science and innovation ?

Yeah thay shit needs liberation fast


Yeah its hinted through the mentors and other chapters they have had some inovation and deathwatch look at xenos stuff etc but never so openly andd brazenly as cawl has!

 

[GhostZ06]

Yeah thay shit needs liberation fast


Yeah its hinted through the mentors and other chapters they have had some inovation and deathwatch look at xenos stuff etc but never so openly andd brazenly as cawl has!

so are they gonna flesh out the lore with the mentors and what not?


well im not surprised that the Deathwatch had alien weaponary.

its not like the emperor was against it, i mean he is a science geek.

 

[whougonnacall]

so are they gonna flesh out the lore with the mentors and what not?


well im not surprised that the Deathwatch had alien weaponary.

its not like the emperor was against it, i mean he is a science geek.

Hope so man

Yeah regular weaponds,doomsday ones ,forbidden xenos artifacts and lore etc

yeah hed be furious esp at The destrution of written history to the point they havnt a clue about the past orr even what year it is