International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. II

[kflo]

I wasn't the one who suggested revolution, that was @HereticBD , I asked how they could fight his suggested revolution that he would find acceptable, he declined to answer substantively.

As far as your political solution, come on man , do you honestly believe Neyanyahu (or the hard right in Israel who are his base) has ever had any interest in a political solution?

I've seen no evidence ever to suggest he has .

You think the terror route is the better approach?

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[The XL]

Neither radical Muslims or Zionist Jews are congruent with Western values, nor are they compatible with the West. The best course of action is to let them fight it out on their own.

 

[The XL]

This is essentially treason. He should be arrested.

 

[William Munny]

I wasn't the one who suggested revolution, that was @HereticBD , I asked how they could fight his suggested revolution that he would find acceptable, he declined to answer substantively.

As far as your political solution, come on man , do you honestly believe Neyanyahu (or the hard right in Israel who are his base) has ever had any interest in a political solution?

I've seen no evidence ever to suggest he has .

for a diplomatic solution both sides need to come to the table. Hamas opposes a 2 state solution, and prior to the attacks on 10/7, the majority of Palestinian populace in West bank and Gaza also opposed a 2 state solution. with Israel's response I imagine this number is even higher now.

we are further from a diplomatic/political solution more than ever.

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[cincymma79]

for a diplomatic solution both sides need to come to the table. Hamas opposes a 2 state solution, and prior to the attacks on 10/7, the majority of Palestinian populace in West bank and Gaza also opposed a 2 state solution. with Israel's response I imagine this number is even higher now.

we are further from a diplomatic/political solution more than ever.

Just because one side completely rejects it doesn’t mean they don’t want it. It make sense if you don’t think about it

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[blaseblase]

"As a Christian"

I don't think there is a single genuine Christian in all of Congress. Jesus said to turn the other cheek, not mass murder people.

 

[The XL]

This notion that Israel has to flatten Palestine and kill all these innocents for defense purposes is nonsense. Hamas is generally impotent and was only able to strike because of either an inconceivable, astonishingly negligent intelligence and defense blunder or because the Israeli government stood down to let it happen. Hamas has no means to wage war on Israel and is basically ineffective.

What's going on is the mass slaughter of Palestine by the country and the people who can do no wrong and who are the only people on the planet who simultaneously can play the ultimate oppressor and ultimate victim at the same time.

 

[blaseblase]

Just because one side completely rejects it doesn’t mean they don’t want it. It make sense if you don’t think about it

Netanyahu is against a two state solution.

 

[lsa]

"As a Christian"

I don't think there is a single genuine Christian in all of Congress. Jesus said to turn the other cheek, not mass murder people.

also there is nothing in the new testament about standing with Israel.
I bet the dude never even seen a bible.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I wasn't the one who suggested revolution, that was @HereticBD , I asked how they could fight his suggested revolution that he would find acceptable, he declined to answer substantively.

As far as your political solution, come on man , do you honestly believe Neyanyahu (or the hard right in Israel who are his base) has ever had any interest in a political solution?

I've seen no evidence ever to suggest he has .

I think it’s clear to see that if outside of Gaza you have parades around the globe with people supporting Hamas that an even greater percentage of people in Gaza also support Hamas.

If the entire population or even a majority of the population opposed Hamas and the actions of Hamas, they could expel Hamas.

Instead you see people celebrating that terrorist organization inside and outside Gaza.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This notion that Israel has to flatten Palestine and kill all these innocents for defense purposes is nonsense. Hamas is generally impotent and was only able to strike because of either an inconceivable, astonishingly negligent intelligence and defense blunder or because the Israeli government stood down to let it happen. Hamas has no means to wage war on Israel and is basically ineffective.

What's going on is the mass slaughter of Palestine by the country and the people who can do no wrong and who are the only people on the planet who simultaneously can play the ultimate oppressor and ultimate victim at the same time.

The gaslighting on this in real time is really a sight to behold.

"Hey, how about we don't just bomb the whole city filled with innocent people, especially when you don't even know if you're actually hitting actual Hamas fighters? "

"WTF? Are you saying that Israel doesn't have the right to defend herself? "

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

You think the terror route is the better approach?

I never said that

I noticed you didn't try and dispute my assertion about Netanyahu ....

 

[terrapin]

also there is nothing in the new testament about standing with Israel.
I bet the dude never even seen a bible.

Christians don't only hold themselves to the New testament. There's plenty in the scripture that suggests people should support Israel.

Here is a short essay on why many Christians feel it as their duty to support Israel no matter what happens.

There is also a ton of prophecy in Revelations that can be interpreted as having to do with Israel and the United States.

I think Israel is the primary aggressor here and is in the wrong and that the United States should cut funding for them until they work honestly towards a two-state solution. But I just thought you'd want to know that your comment is probably not correct.



https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-...-the-bible-say-that-we-should-support-israel/

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Outrageous

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I think it’s clear to see that if outside of Gaza you have parades around the globe with people supporting Hamas that an even greater percentage of people in Gaza also support Hamas.

If the entire population or even a majority of the population opposed Hamas and the actions of Hamas, they could expel Hamas.

Instead you see people celebrating that terrorist organization inside and outside Gaza.

I don't think it's that simple.
I'd say a lot of this support isn't real support--it's anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian.

The people aren't supporting Hamas out of a bunch of other groups that they could have supported. Hamas only rose because things were dire and frustration among the citizens rose. They never gave up their power after they got it. Half the population is under 18 and weren't even alive to, or old enough to vote for Hamas in the first place. There's only two teams right now if you're living in Gaza--the country that's bombing you, and the nutjobs that want to kill them.

It's very easy to tell people to just rise up, but we know that's not how things work in reality for a ton of valid reasons. People aren't likely to volunteer to stand up to the guy with the gun that thinks he's in the middle of a holy war. They're trapped in a small city, and they're supposed to expose themselves and their families to killers that have access to weaponry from other bad guys?

 

[Gutter Chris]

This is again where your blind trbalism fails you and this forums. Which make you atroll.

I have stated many times hamas are terrorists and for sure the hostages should ALL be relased.

ffs.

its like you and others on this forum just cant even comprehend trying to be human to both sides, like trying to be balanced and give a fuck about civilaisn on boht sides can exist.

and again there is lot of work with regard to the hostages. Canada sent a specialist to help Israel with the hostages.

and yet we are doing nothing for the Canadian trapped by Israel in gaza.

You know I'd like to be clear here. Israel's not perfect but they are the good guys in this. It's not that I think they can do no wrong or that they aren't being brutal it's that I think they don't really have much of a choice if they want to ever have a secure country that's not permanently in a state of war and under constant threat of terrorism.

Also I'm not sure the morality on it I just think it's a cold hard reality that Israel is never going to be at peace til they control the entire country. I've stated numerous times now that I believe in 2 states it's just the Palestinians are going to need a 1948 project of their own to get them the hell out of there and set up someplace else. The middle east is huge and the west is wealthy ....why can we not broker a deal and build them a home ? There are no good options for them in Israel. Even if the jews stop killing them tomorrow they are still going to be trapped in a prison and oppressed due to security concerns and the cycle will repeat again and play out the exact same way. How the hell is Israel just supposed to leave them be when they know and we know they are going to be attacked again due to so many people that think they don't have the right to exist and should be driven out.

The world is asking the impossible of the Israelis and its fn ridiculous.