Civil War was about Slavery. Video inside

[Captain Davis]

But wasn't that only to outlaw slavery in the confederate states and not the north?

Yes, but most of the soldiers went to war to keep the Union together, then in 1863, the script was changed, so they had to adapt. Many didn't like the idea of fighting for slaves. Many decided that slavery was wrong and they could use the manpower. But From my research, they were pretty indifferent either way. They were ok with it, but would not have gone to war over it.

Again, I can't speak for them all, just the ones I've come across.

 

[Phr3121]

For anyone interested in getting a scholarly grasp on the foundations of the war, I highly recommend the book "Impending Crisis" by Potter. It's probably the best (and that's saying a lot) work literally ever done explaining how the war came to be.

...or check out 'Limbo Pete's' debate #4: 'Was the South justified in seceding from the Union' here:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...justified-in-seceding-from-the-union.3542261/

 

[Limbo Pete]

...or check out 'Limbo Pete's' debate #4: 'Was the South justified in seceding from the Union' here:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...justified-in-seceding-from-the-union.3542261/

I said "scholarly" bruh.
Some day, when I get a book published, i'll shoot you a copy. Until then, gonna have to give it up to my man Potter as being a bit more capable of explaining, academically, how the war came to be lol.
Seriously it's an amazingly well made book.
Plus juan for using one of my Hunto gifs, though. That always makes me feel good.

 

[m52nickerson]

The North had those same needs and fears. Look it up.

The North depended on slave labor to support its economy too. That's why the taxed the shit out of the South. If you pay attention, Lincoln never intended to outlaw slavery where it existed. New York City was close to seceding with the South in 1860.

State laws in the North outlawed blacks from settling there. The New York Riots of 1863 were from angry Irish immigrants who feared competition for work from newly freed slaves. Northern states threatened to pull their soldiers from the fight after the EP, because they weren't going to fight to free slaves.

Lincoln only enacted the EP in the Confederate states to cause chaos and get some soldiers out of the deal.

Don't fool yourself into thinking the North was virtuous by any means.

They were more virtuous then the south, that is for sure.

 

[*Z*]

They were more virtuous then the south, that is for sure.

How so when the north also owned slaves and had no intention of changing that when the war began. Abraham Lincoln himself though that black people were lesser people and intended to keep it that way. The EP was created to screw over the south, not for the benefit of slaves.

 

[SenorGuillen]

Everyone that said the CW wasn't about slavery are a bunch of dumbasses. Go and read a history book. lol

 

[Phr3121]

I said "scholarly" bruh.

'Sherdog' is not 'scholarly'? You mean all this stuff I've been reading here is not true...

But being on Sherdog is so much more fun than reading a book...

 

[Limbo Pete]

'Sherdog' is not 'scholarly? You mean all this stuff I've been reading here is not true...

But being on Sherdog is so much more fun than reading a book...

 

[Phr3121]

They were more virtuous then the south, that is for sure.

Not if you were a Southerner...

 

[*Z*]

Everyone that said the CW wasn't about slavery are a bunch of dumbasses. Go and read a history book. lol

Let's hear why, there are people in here having real discussions. Why not join in and make your case.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Well, in 1861, slavery wasn't the battle cry. It was keeping the Union together. Once the EP was set in motion, you could argue that many got on board with it.

From what I've read, by the 1840's as Great Britain and France issued emancipation edicts and the United States became the world's largest slave holding power. The Northern abolitionist movement which was firmly established as a powerful force in American politics at the time continued their call for immediate emancipation as they found this distinction an embarrassment. There was an abolitionist movement in the South that assisted with the Underground Railroad but it was minuscule compared Northern movement. I know that ending slavery was not the main cause for the North but to say that it played no part is incorrect as well.

 

[Phr3121]

Everyone that said the CW wasn't about slavery are a bunch of dumbasses. Go and read a history book. lol

Which one would you recommend? How many have you read?

 

[m52nickerson]

How so when the north also owned slaves and had no intention of changing that when the war began. Abraham Lincoln himself though that black people were lesser people and intended to keep it that way. The EP was created to screw over the south, not for the benefit of slaves.

Before the start of the war the stance of the Republican party was to end slavery. They were fighting to make new states and territories non-slave. They were very much taking the steps to outlaw it. Once the war began, regardless of the reasons, Lincoln did end slavery. The may not the north pure, but it does make them the good guys.

 

[*Z*]

Before the start of the war the stance of the Republican party was to end slavery. They were fighting to make new states and territories non-slave. They were very much taking the steps to outlaw it. Once the war began, regardless of the reasons, Lincoln did end slavery. The may not the north pure, but it does make them the good guys.

Can you source that? I thought the fight over expanding of slave states west was after the war had begun.

 

[m52nickerson]

Can you source that? I thought the fight over expanding of slave states west was after the war had begun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

 

[Phr3121]

...the United States became the world's largest slave holding power.

I don't think so. Slaves in the U.S. numbered 450,000. In comparison Brazil had 4.5 million slaves. That is why so many Southern Americans (Confederates) moved to Brazil after the Civil War - an agricultural industry. There ancestors live there to this day.

 

[Captain Davis]

From what I've read, by the 1840's as Great Britain and France issued emancipation edicts and the United States became the world's largest slave holding power. The Northern abolitionist movement which was firmly established as a powerful force in American politics at the time continued their call for immediate emancipation as they found this distinction an embarrassment. There was an abolitionist movement in the South that assisted with the Underground Railroad but it was minuscule compared Northern movement. I know that ending slavery was not the main cause for the North but to say that it played no part is incorrect as well.

I was speaking about the soldiers attitudes there.

 

[Captain Davis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

Lol at wiki as a source for this argument.

 

[*Z*]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

I was reading this already. Lincoln a republican became president in 1860 and did not have any goal to abolish slavery. His only goal was to keep the union intact. There was no republican outcry to free the slaves prior to the war.

 

[Seaside]

The statue of Lincoln at the Lincoln Memorial could be torn down because in the Emancipation Proclamation Lincoln maintained slavery in areas occupied by THE UNION. He also entertained plans to ship black slaves back to Africa.

Unlucky for you all that he did not. live to ship them back. Now you get a an angry 15% of your population who HATES white America and blacks as untouchables and the master race in your media. Last I checked you white cucks pay tons of money to watch black men fuck your blonde white women and to watch black men athletically stomp all over your white athletes and to watch black men rap and act 'gangsta' and badass while your own people pretend and immitate it in the suburbs. White boys wanting to be masculine or 'act black'.

You americacucks are disgusting. When I go to the Mayberry anytime an athletic or 'explosive' black guy is brought up, a bunch of weird fucks bring up BBC, cucking, or IR porn, and gangbangs. Even in the heavies. A couple days ago some weirdo named something Cooldige was posting clips of girls that link to a pornsite centered around bbc. I only figured this out after the entire thread turned into a bbc worship fest.

Fucking weirdo white americans and western whites but hey good for me!