Crime Youth crime - adult time? 13 year old avoids charges for murder. Performs another stabbing

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Youth and more so violent youth crime seems to be getting out of hand.. personally i would have thrown away the key on the first charges..

Was charged at 13 for murder of another youth ( 16 year old )


A Melbourne teenager who was previously found not guilty of murder because he was 13 years old has appeared in a children’s court over a sickening alleged act.

The boy, now 16, who cannot be named for legal reasons, appeared before a magistrate on Thursday facing a string of charges over the bashing, stabbing and shooting of a 60-year-old man in Gladstone Park in July.

The teen who escaped a murder charge had 44 prior charges when he was 13 years old.

The 16-year-old was 13 at the time and was found not guilty of murder despite footage of the attack showing him stomping on Cutler’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended.


Common law presumes that when a child is under 14, they lack the capacity to be criminally responsible and the onus is on the prosecution to prove otherwise.

The rule is known as doli incapax.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/teenage-boy-charged-over-gladstone-park-home-invasion-and-bashing-appears-in-childrens-court/news-story/825c4708a7f07d07b6406208e9de38ce?amp

Im guessing ee are about to have a few more child murderers here which is why i ask the question

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/two-children-dead-in-horrific-melbourne-attack/news-story/b9d7d9a4c49505351740cb49b901e503

Seems ulterly pointless to allow them back into society.. the first kid they gsng killed was stabbed 20+ times and had over 60 blunt force injuries..

By the initial sounds of these new youth gang stabbings. The numbers will be absurd again and i fail to see how murder isnt murder

Youth crime is pretty bad in Australia at the moment, I think they always get bail too which doesn't provide much of a deterrent. Pressure is increasing on the government to do something, our Victorian state government has recently banned machetes, i don't think that will do much, severe penalties are more what might work.

 

[Osculater]

I wonder how many of these are "youths".

Only if the owner had an AR-15?

 

[Spounman]

Only if the owner had an AR-15?

Or a 12 gauge with a 20 round drum magazine

 

[Stoic1]

Parents losing their kids to this sort of thing... i could not imagine.

 

[Anewt]

You know things r fucked up when parents are weighing up sending their kids back to africa for safety.......

Meanwhile the Chief of Melbourne-based not-for-profit organisation Africause, Dr Berhan Ahmed, told the Herald Sun that migrant parents were begging authorities to protect their children, with some having no choice but to send their teenagers back to Africa.

“I have mothers coming to my office saying the gangs want to kill my child,” he said.

“When the police won’t help, I help them to take the child out of the country.”

Youth crime is at its highest levels in Victoria since 2009, and the overall crime rate rose 13.2 per cent in 2024.

Analysis found that a huge driver of the damning crime statistics was repeat youth offenders, with 6,137 offenders responsible for more than 20,000 incidents.

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/needs-to-stop-friends-plea-to-gangs-after-double-melbourne-stabbing/news-story/15d1f13239196bfcf0c1050ecac40d1f

 

[Anewt]

This is the kind of coward that would chase kids in a group of like minded individuals

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/chilling-footage-of-melbourne-youth-brandishing-two-machetes-in-broad-daylight/news-story/902a2d2491ed96ee808fa8a99ac30a45

Chilling footage of Melbourne youth brandishing two machetes in broad daylight​

Days after two young boys were murdered in chilling scenes, disturbing footage has emerged from Melbourne’s suburbs.

The crime crisis has exploded on Melbourne’s streets in recent months.

Last week, former Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse was stabbed in the chest with a screwdriver on Thursday morning as he fought off three armed youths inside his home. Also on Thursday, a 16-year-old boy was in court over one of the most shocking alleged attacks of the year — the aggravated assault of a 60-year-old man inside his Gladstone Park home that saw him stabbed, shot and bashed with a hammer.

In Kew East last month, a 39-year-old man was allegedly stabbed 11 times in the face, neck and arms while trying to protect his family from intruders.

 

[Bia]

these useless politicians won't do nothing, they're fearing accused of being racist.

 

[Evbo]

these useless politicians won't do nothing, they're fearing accused of being racist.

And/or fearing punishment for not following the orders handed down to them. I'm years past the point of believing this can all be a silly oversight in so many different places across the (nicer parts of the) world

 

[Stoic1]

This is the kind of coward that would chase kids in a group of like minded individuals

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/chilling-footage-of-melbourne-youth-brandishing-two-machetes-in-broad-daylight/news-story/902a2d2491ed96ee808fa8a99ac30a45

Chilling footage of Melbourne youth brandishing two machetes in broad daylight​

Days after two young boys were murdered in chilling scenes, disturbing footage has emerged from Melbourne’s suburbs.

The crime crisis has exploded on Melbourne’s streets in recent months.

Last week, former Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse was stabbed in the chest with a screwdriver on Thursday morning as he fought off three armed youths inside his home. Also on Thursday, a 16-year-old boy was in court over one of the most shocking alleged attacks of the year — the aggravated assault of a 60-year-old man inside his Gladstone Park home that saw him stabbed, shot and bashed with a hammer.

In Kew East last month, a 39-year-old man was allegedly stabbed 11 times in the face, neck and arms while trying to protect his family from intruders.

This article clearly shows that "youths" and "teens" are just euphemisms for what we already know.

 

[Phlog]

Lock em up and also charge their parents with parental neglect if it can be shown they have not taken steps to prevent criminal behaviour in their children.

It's likely just a single mother, BPD, stop treating women like children and charge them. Also the absent father, make it a legal obligation to police ones own children.

Fuck em.

 

[ssBaldy]

Lock em up and also charge their parents with parental neglect if it can be shown they have not taken steps to prevent criminal behaviour in their children.

It's likely just a single mother, BPD, stop treating women like children and charge them. Also the absent father, make it a legal obligation to police ones own children.

Fuck em.

I may be in the minority here but I think that if a person commits a heinous violent crime as a kid, the penalty should be harsher, not softer. Fuck them kids, if they rob, rape or kill in their early teens already, they got no chance to grow up normal.

 

[Bia]

This article clearly shows that "youths" and "teens" are just euphemisms for what we already know.

equivalent to Sherdog's "explosive"

 

[Phlog]

I may be in the minority here but I think that if a person commits a heinous violent crime as a kid, the penalty should be harsher, not softer. Fuck them kids, if they rob, rape or kill in their early teens already, they got no chance to grow up normal.

I think I'd prefer that there is much higher investment in repeat offenders. 99% of the time a violent crime is a form of revenge so context matters.

I guess it might be reasonable to agree that further investment wouldn't return significant benefit if they're too fucked up. Then further isolation from society seems reasonable.

 

[ssBaldy]

I think I'd prefer that there is much higher investment in repeat offenders. 99% of the time a violent crime is a form of revenge so context matters.

I guess it might be reasonable to agree that further investment wouldn't return significant benefit if they're too fucked up. Then further isolation from society seems reasonable.

I am not talking self defence here, or crimes against abusers.
If a person reacts to being mistreated by raping/killing/robbing someone innocent, I honestly don't think there's much of a point in trying to rehabilitate them.

 

[Phlog]

I am not talking self defence here, or crimes against abusers.
If a person reacts to being mistreated by raping/killing/robbing someone innocent, I honestly don't think there's much of a point in trying to rehabilitate them.

I might agree with you if we can prove statistically that there is no significant rehabilitation chance.

I guess to some extent I feel sorry for the broken toys. I get a bit fundamentally Christian, I think Jesus was about as right as it gets. I wouldn't call myself a Christian to others however because they would get the wrong idea, they would imagine I am akin to what they think of Christians more broadly.

I've seen research that violence is almost all about revenge, that revenge itself and causing others pain, or evil is addictive to the same proportion of the population who are vulnerable to other addictions.

So if addiction is a disease, or at least we view addicts as victims to a large degree, perpetrators of non self defense violence are likely victims to a similar degree. Obviously we weight harm to others differently than self harm, but then again that is us getting revenge on the perp dressed as justice.

 

[ssBaldy]

I might agree with you if we can prove statistically that there is no significant rehabilitation chance.

I guess to some extent I feel sorry for the broken toys. I get a bit fundamentally Christian, I think Jesus was about as right as it gets. I wouldn't call myself a Christian to others however because they would get the wrong idea, they would imagine I am akin to what they think of Christians more broadly.

I've seen research that violence is almost all about revenge, that revenge itself and causing others pain, or evil is addictive to the same proportion of the population who are vulnerable to other addictions.

So if addiction is a disease, or at least we view addicts as victims to a large degree, perpetrators of non self defense violence are likely victims to a similar degree. Obviously we weight harm to others differently than self harm, but then again that is us getting revenge on the perp dressed as justice.

Thats cool but if you are addicted to booze or other substances, you can quietly drink yourself to death with minimal repercussions for other people. However you get a rather harsh judicial penalty if you cause a DUI accident that harms or kills people.
Same here, if your addiction to pain causes you to do violent stuff to others leading to injury, serious psychological harm or even death, well, prepare your ass for the aftermath.

Also, you speak about Christian morals, well, they have 10 commandments and 7 deadly sins. Wrath, greed, lust plus "do not murder", "do not steal" and "do not perform adultery" pretty much cover most of the violent crimes as a big no-no from a Christian point of view.

The only statistics I have on my hands is that 36% of the crimes commited by minors in Russia in 2024 are commited by recurring criminals. Can't say how many of those are violent crimes, I don't have that data.

But I firmly believe that if a person kills or rapes someone while in their teens, and it's not self defence or direct revenge, they are not going to ever be adequate citizens. You may disprove my words with stats of successfully rehabilitating teen murderers and rapists, but I strongly doubt you will find one to support your point.

And again, I could not care less if that dude was mistreaded in the past, he had 14 counts of being arrested and killed an innocent on his 15th try.
You don't get 15 second chances in any religion or ethical ruleset.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Youth crime is pretty bad in Australia at the moment, I think they always get bail too which doesn't provide much of a deterrent. Pressure is increasing on the government to do something, our Victorian state government has recently banned machetes, i don't think that will do much, severe penalties are more what might work.

- I dont know much about crime in AUS. Was always like that?

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

- I dont know much about crime in AUS. Was always like that?

There's always been youth and gang crime, we've taken a lot more from Africa in the last decade or so so that's introduced a new gang problem. Gangs have always been a thing with immigrants, there were a lot of Vietnamese gangs in the 80s in Melbourne, controlled a lot of the heroin trade I believe.

 

[STRYDG]

Youth crime is pretty bad in Australia at the moment, I think they always get bail too which doesn't provide much of a deterrent. Pressure is increasing on the government to do something, our Victorian state government has recently banned machetes, i don't think that will do much, severe penalties are more what might work.

Same in NZ. The little cunts know there is next to no repercussions and even the parents use them to ram raid stores etc. So over the soft on crime lefty laws and judges.

 

[The Servant]

Canada is sooooo bad for this right now. The youth 14-18 are out of control. As much as you want to slap the ever loving shit out of some of these kids they carry knives guns and are more then willing to use them. It's utter madness.

There have been quite a few 12-16 year olds in my city who have stabbed and murdered over words or have provoked situations. They won't ever see 5 to 10 years.

Leftism is a mental illness and their policies don't protect citizens, and these kids don't rehabilitate or ever come back like they hope no matter how much "compassion" they have.