Crime Black Portland man acquitted of stabbing white man because jury learned that after the stabbing, the victim used the n word.

[nostradumbass]

It’s inevitable and I hope to fuck that every one of these jurors feels responsible for whatever happens. I hope they take it really really bad and I hope the defense attorneys family is the victim

Oh they won't, obviously, and we know that because of the zillions of other cases of junkies and career criminals getting released over and over until they kill someone, and never once has any of the judges or jurors expressed any regret for releasing violent criminals over and over.

 

[nhbbear]

His defense as attorney never said this. Stop Copsplaining

It was paraphrasing because I was sick of looking up the actual quote which is:
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“What other than racism could explain why Mr. Howard perceived hatred, animosity and aggression from a complete stranger,” Small asked the jury.

And what, exactly, is “copsplaining?”

Edit: looked it up on urban dictionary and not only is it bullshit and makes little sense, but it is clearly not what I did; which is paraphrasing becaus I got sick of looking up the wuotesb

 

[nhbbear]

Oh they won't, obviously, and we know that because of the zillions of other cases of junkies and career criminals getting released over and over until they kill someone, and never once has any of the judges or jurors expressed any regret for releasing violent criminals over and over.

Not from juries, as they are laymen; but we need to sco and peel back judicial immunity to where judges start getting written up at the very least, suspended, and removed from duties.

When a pos judge releases a multiple time felon out without having to post anything other than a promise to show up and not to catch new charges and that person goes on to harm or kill someone; I think they should be written up, suspended, and said shitbag goes on to brutally rape/murder or some other terrible crime: I would also like to see qualified or judicial immunity ġ

 

[Hog-train]

I didn’t think you were correct on this, so it led to some digging. The only law I can find in Oregon is regarding certain types of knives such as switchblades or automatic knives. There are also size restrictions, but I can’t find anything that I think would specifically prohibit him from having a knife.

If you’re finding something different, let me know.

Apparently not if you're a felon.

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[Deaths Head]

Well, I spent many years responding to violence at homeless encampments and have investigated bodies-one was strangled and everyone not only knew she was dead in her tent and later reported hearing the struggle go on for a very long time, but rather than report it while the killer was allowed to try and get across the country, they sprayed Lysol and hung up air fresheners while she rotted in her tent.

So, versus your one violent homeless person you have known, I have dealt with tons-and yet I still did homeless outreach to try and help them

I didn’t realize this was a competition ?

Shit after I post this give me a minute I’ll go outside and look for some crazies to help out so it can be a fair contest .

 

[Deaths Head]

When I lived in Virginia there were plenty of kids who were bored out of their skulls and would terrorize local homeless people. In Miami kids would throw sh*t at them, business owners would spray them with hoses or chase them with brooms and shovels, for being on sidewalks. A lot of homeless women get r@ped on the regular.

There weren’t many homeless ppl in my area certainly no homeless lived in my community bc it was a higher end one you had to have legit residency there to be in the area but within a 30 mile radius outside of it you’d see a few in P.A .

N.Y is another story but I’d still rarely see violent homeless , problematic kids were the skinheads but that died out fast and went south by 1992 , that kid who I mentioned was one .

 

[Scerpi]

I'm from the South. EVERYONE had knives, or guns. If I automatically assumed that everyone holding a weapon or what I thought was a weapon was going to hurt me, I'd have been in WAY more fights than I have.

Even the jury saw the video and didnt find the stabber's approach particularly threatening, and they believed his testimony that he intended to trade. Neither my feelings, nor yours, matter.

Bullshit...

No one just randomly walks up behind someone holding a knife and assume he has good intentions

In fact, that's the kind of behavior that would get you shot and a jury would agree you were validly protecting yourself

Except in Portland, where the pulling the race card is your

And lol at the guy's claim he was wanting to trade the knife for cigarettes...

His defense as attorney never said this. Stop Copsplaining

“What other than racism could explain why Mr. Howard perceived hatred, animosity and aggression from a complete stranger,” Defense Attorney Small asked the jury Oct. 30."

"Transit cameras showed Edwards, a fixed-blade knife clasped at his side, approaching Howard from behind as he sat on a bench. The video has no sound, but Howard springs up and pushes Edwards as soon as he sees him. The duo scuffle against a wall for a brief moment, ending with Edwards stabbing Howard in the shoulder."

Oh, I don't know, maybe because some guy tried approaching him from behind with a knife in hand? lol... I'm sure it's completely rational to assume best intentions and not some kind of robbery or violent asault.

And yes, they need to release the video instead of just screenshots. Did the white guy continue the encounter and try to attack after he pushed the other guy away? Or did the knife welder go after his victim after he was pushed away? Or did he try to de-escalate by explaining he was just wanting to trade the knife in his hand before he decided to stab him with it. lol

Reporting that "The duo scuffled against a wall" says nothing about the attack.

But it's Portland, so they won't want to tarnish their virtue signaling of social justice.

 

[Sinister]

Bullshit...

No one just randomly walks up behind someone holding a knife and assume he has good intentions

In fact, that's the kind of behavior that would get you shot and a jury would agree you were validly protecting yourself

Except in Portland, where the pulling the race card is your

And lol at the guy's claim he was wanting to trade the knife for cigarettes...




“What other than racism could explain why Mr. Howard perceived hatred, animosity and aggression from a complete stranger,” Defense Attorney Small asked the jury Oct. 30."

"Transit cameras showed Edwards, a fixed-blade knife clasped at his side, approaching Howard from behind as he sat on a bench. The video has no sound, but Howard springs up and pushes Edwards as soon as he sees him. The duo scuffle against a wall for a brief moment, ending with Edwards stabbing Howard in the shoulder."

Oh, I don't know, maybe because some guy tried approaching him from behind with a knife in hand? lol... I'm sure it's completely rational to assume best intentions and not some kind of robbery or violent asault.

And yes, they need to release the video instead of just screenshots. Did the white guy continue the encounter and try to attack after he pushed the other guy away? Or did the knife welder go after his victim after he was pushed away? Or did he try to de-escalate by explaining he was just wanting to trade the knife in his hand before he decided to stab him with it. lol

Reporting that "The duo scuffled against a wall" says nothing about the attack.

But it's Portland, so they won't want to tarnish their virtue signaling of social justice.

Man it makes me laugh every time you take time out of your day to type walls of horsesh*t like this.

But its not surprising that a jury siding with a black dude who defended himself from an attack because some disgusting racist chomo THOUGHT he was going to get attacked would burn you up this much because the race card was played BY the guy who got stabbed on Police Body Cam, before the case ever even made it to Court, and that supports the defense's contention that the reason he thought he was going to be attacked was because a black man walked up to him and said "knife." Or said anything at all.

I also love your opening statement that there is NO circumstance in which say I...a half black man, could have a knife in my hand and approach you (I'm guessing basic white dude going by your entire existence on this board) from behind unless I had criminal intentions. That's literally the ONLY reason it could ever happen.

Perfect demonstration of where your head is always at, a place where you can inspect your own colon

 

[nhbbear]

I didn’t realize this was a competition ?

Shit after I post this give me a minute I’ll go outside and look for some crazies to help out so it can be a fair contest .

I never said it was a competition nor did I intend to frame it as such. I am simply pointing out that we have different experiences with the homeless

 

[Scerpi]

Man it makes me laugh every time you take time out of your day to type walls of horsesh*t like this.

But its not surprising that a jury siding with a black dude who defended himself from an attack because some disgusting racist chomo THOUGHT he was going to get attacked would burn you up this much because the race card was played BY the guy who got stabbed on Police Body Cam, before the case ever even made it to Court, and that supports the defense's contention that the reason he thought he was going to be attacked was because a black man walked up to him and said "knife." Or said anything at all.

I also love your opening statement that there is NO circumstance in which say I...a half black man, could have a knife in my hand and approach you (I'm guessing basic white dude going by your entire existence on this board) from behind unless I had criminal intentions. That's literally the ONLY reason it could ever happen.

Perfect demonstration of where your head is always at, a place where you can inspect your own colon

Lets highlight this statement again... lol

I'm from the South. EVERYONE had knives, or guns. If I automatically assumed that everyone holding a weapon or what I thought was a weapon was going to hurt me, I'd have been in WAY more fights than I have.

Even the jury saw the video and didnt find the stabber's approach particularly threatening, and they believed his testimony that he intended to trade. Neither my feelings, nor yours, matter.

@Sinister would you have you believe people in the South just randomly walk around holding knives and guns in their hands. I've lived here over 20 years and I've never seen that out in public. lol... ever.

Also... I wouldn't give a fuck about your race if this happened. My god... Thank god you clarified "I'm half black!"... Ok hero

Well, jeez... I guess I'd give you pass if walked up behind me holding a knife. There's a 50/50 chance my supposed racism wouldn't activate... lol. Who the fuck are you kidding? Anyone with a rational thought would immediately assume the worst until the knife welder proved otherwise. You included. That's why I said the video needs to be released. Because if the knife holder immediately tried to back away and de-escalate the situation, but whitey came at him anyway... Then yes, it's self defense.

But it's Portland... lol. And that video will never see the light of day.

Such a shit attempt in rationalizing the actions of someone who's violently assaulted and attacked people previously.

"Edwards is a homeless man with a long rap sheet. He was acquitted on October 31, and has previous convictions for attempted second-degree assault in 2021. He was sentenced to three years in prison for a different stabbing incident at a Portland light rail station in May 2020. Edwards was also accused of fourth-degree assault over a fight with a store clerk. However, the case was dismissed in June due to a lack of available public defenders."

Lets see... The guy has been free from prison approximately 2 years out of the last 5... and has 4 violent encounters in that time... That we know of. And lol at Portland having a dearth of public defenders so now he's gotten two get of jail free cards.

But yes... lets go with the story he was trying to trade his trade knife for cigarettes.

And by trade, the truth is likely he was going threaten the guy with it to steal them. Because violent stabby felons are always trying to be good citizens. And if that isn't your first assumption until it's proven otherwise by the guy holding the knife, you're a liar. When 6% of population commits more than half of all violent crime, even higher than that in blue cities, you can take your race card and shove it up your ass.

Oh that's right... That kind of stuff never happens in cities.

Also, your pathetic attempt at me defending the white guy chomo is hilarious. I'm not. Who the white guy actually was has zero bearing on the case. It could have been anyone. And neither does whether he called the N-word or not. And it's a sad attempt on your part to rationalize this.

Did the stabber know he was a racist chomo beforehand? No
Was he approaching him because he heard he was a chomo? No
Could the white guy been some hero SJW activist who's declared himself an ally? Yes

It wouldn't have mattered in the least... Plenty of these heroes have been robbed or murdered because they believed their SJW status was some kind of shield against violent felons.

 

[nhbbear]

Apparently not if you're a felon.

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Well, he wasn’t charged with that on top of the stabbing. The searches I did yielded nothing, but I didn’t click on sites-just read the AI answers

 

[nhbbear]

Oh they won't, obviously, and we know that because of the zillions of other cases of junkies and career criminals getting released over and over until they kill someone, and never once has any of the judges or jurors expressed any regret for releasing violent criminals over and over.

I looked for it, but couldn’t find it, but a juror killed themself after they found out they convicted an innocent man. But I agree that you will likely never see a judge kill themself or show regret after they release an offender who goes on to kill somone. But this guy will be arrested again most likely for a violent offense and I hope the jury realizes that it was because they chose to acquit this asshole because of what the victim said after the stabbing

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Fucking lol. So let’s assume you’re correct-that the jury believed the defendant that the victim said the word before the stabbing-it’s still justifying attempted murder over calling him that, which is a million percent insane.

Also, completely ignoring that the defendant has been convicted of stabbing people before this.
And as for the victim, “where’s the same energy?” STFU I already said he was only fit for a wood chipper feet first.

He s been very incoherent for years now.

 

[nostradumbass]

I looked for it, but couldn’t find it, but a juror killed themself after they found out they convicted an innocent man. But I agree that you will likely never see a judge kill themself or show regret after they release an offender who goes on to kill somone. But this guy will be arrested again most likely for a violent offense and I hope the jury realizes that it was because they chose to acquit this asshole because of what the victim said after the stabbing

Oh they'll express regret in the other direction, but not for acquitting a guilty person.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Lets highlight this statement again... lol



@Sinister would you have you believe people in the South just randomly walk around holding knives and guns in their hands. I've lived here over 20 years and I've never seen that out in public. lol... ever.

Also... I wouldn't give a fuck about your race if this happened. My god... Thank god you clarified "I'm half black!"... Ok hero

Well, jeez... I guess I'd give you pass if walked up behind me holding a knife. There's a 50/50 chance my supposed racism wouldn't activate... lol. Who the fuck are you kidding? Anyone with a rational thought would immediately assume the worst until the knife welder proved otherwise. You included. That's why I said the video needs to be released. Because if the knife holder immediately tried to back away and de-escalate the situation, but whitey came at him anyway... Then yes, it's self defense.

But it's Portland... lol. And that video will never see the light of day.

Such a shit attempt in rationalizing the actions of someone who's violently assaulted and attacked people previously.

"Edwards is a homeless man with a long rap sheet. He was acquitted on October 31, and has previous convictions for attempted second-degree assault in 2021. He was sentenced to three years in prison for a different stabbing incident at a Portland light rail station in May 2020. Edwards was also accused of fourth-degree assault over a fight with a store clerk. However, the case was dismissed in June due to a lack of available public defenders."

Lets see... The guy has been free from prison approximately 2 years out of the last 5... and has 4 violent encounters in that time... That we know of. And lol at Portland having a dearth of public defenders so now he's gotten two get of jail free cards.

But yes... lets go with the story he was trying to trade his trade knife for cigarettes.

And by trade, the truth is likely he was going threaten the guy with it to steal them. Because violent stabby felons are always trying to be good citizens. And if that isn't your first assumption until it's proven otherwise by the guy holding the knife, you're a liar. When 6% of population commits more than half of all violent crime, even higher than that in blue cities, you can take your race card and shove it up your ass.

Oh that's right... That kind of stuff never happens in cities.

Also, your pathetic attempt at me defending the white guy chomo is hilarious. I'm not. Who the white guy actually was has zero bearing on the case. It could have been anyone. And neither does whether he called the N-word or not. And it's a sad attempt on your part to rationalize this.

Did the stabber know he was a racist chomo beforehand? No
Was he approaching him because he heard he was a chomo? No
Could the white guy been some hero SJW activist who's declared himself an ally? Yes

It wouldn't have mattered in the least... Plenty of these heroes have been robbed or murdered because they believed their SJW status was some kind of shield against violent felons.

 

[the ambush]

The justice system at work, again.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Man it makes me laugh every time you take time out of your day to type walls of horsesh*t like this.

But its not surprising that a jury siding with a black dude who defended himself from an attack because some disgusting racist chomo THOUGHT he was going to get attacked would burn you up this much because the race card was played BY the guy who got stabbed on Police Body Cam, before the case ever even made it to Court, and that supports the defense's contention that the reason he thought he was going to be attacked was because a black man walked up to him and said "knife." Or said anything at all.

I also love your opening statement that there is NO circumstance in which say I...a half black man, could have a knife in my hand and approach you (I'm guessing basic white dude going by your entire existence on this board) from behind unless I had criminal intentions. That's literally the ONLY reason it could ever happen.

Perfect demonstration of where your head is always at, a place where you can inspect your own colon

Respectfully, the knife in hand would raise all sorts of alarms if I see anyone walking towards me from any angle much less from behind as I am sitting down (in a compromised position aka position of disadvantage). Anyone who has lived in any major city knows that's how you get robbed or attacked. There were news of a random unprovoked attack on the bus of a woman. I read news of unprovoked attacks all the time(elderly people shoved to the ground for sport/laughs). Random gang initiation attacks. You may be able to speak to certain things as a black man but you're playing serious mental gymnastics here.

Let's be real, the suspect had no idea the victim was a chomo nor that he was racist. This is a case of attacking the victim's character to justify the unjustified behavior/actions of the suspect. It's a bit like "the victim was a prostitute and dressed in a very provocative/revealing manner so she was asking/deserved to be raped".

If the suspect wanted to sell his knife, he'd have walked up with the knife in his pocket and simply asked the other guy if he was interested buying a knife. If the other guy expressed interest in it then and only then would the suspect be in the right to take the knife (in a closed state) and give it to the other guy. The fact that the suspect had prior arrests/convictions for literally attacking people with a knife just doesn't bode well for his case of self defense. This shit doesn't happen even in tenderloin where I worked as a cop in SF. I've had people sell phones for 5-20$ of crack. No one and I mean no one approaches anyone with a gun or knife in hand in an urban setting like this to "sell their knife" you'd have to be very gullible (not implying that's you) to believe that.

Was OJ innocent? That was a similar situation. Cops were clearly racist. I think the average person will probably agree that OJ was guilty as all sin. Should OJ got off for killing two people simply because the cops were racist? I personally disagree with that verdict. I also partly understand the general euphoria in the black community when he was found not guilty.

As a black guy I am sure you could speak to many things that I am simply not privy to and it wouldn't be my place to correct your lived experience. But to pretend what happened here is reasonable or that the guy was defending himself because a super liberal jury found him not guilty is just weird. I have seen juries find not guilty on open and shut cases(jury nullification is a thing).

 

[Sinister]

Respectfully, the knife in hand would raise all sorts of alarms if I see anyone walking towards me from any angle much less from behind as I am sitting down (in a compromised position aka position of disadvantage). Anyone who has lived in any major city knows that's how you get robbed or attacked. There were news of a random unprovoked attack on the bus of a woman. I read news of unprovoked attacks all the time(elderly people shoved to the ground for sport/laughs). Random gang initiation attacks. You may be able to speak to certain things as a black man but you're playing serious mental gymnastics here.

Let's be real, the suspect had no idea the victim was a chomo nor that he was racist. This is a case of attacking the victim's character to justify the unjustified behavior/actions of the suspect. It's a bit like "the victim was a prostitute and dressed in a very provocative/revealing manner so she was asking/deserved to be raped".

If the suspect wanted to sell his knife, he'd have walked up with the knife in his pocket and simply asked the other guy if he was interested buying a knife. If the other guy expressed interest in it then and only then would the suspect be in the right to take the knife (in a closed state) and give it to the other guy. The fact that the suspect had prior arrests/convictions for literally attacking people with a knife just doesn't bode well for his case of self defense. This shit doesn't happen even in tenderloin where I worked as a cop in SF. I've had people sell phones for 5-20$ of crack. No one and I mean no one approaches anyone with a gun or knife in hand in an urban setting like this to "sell their knife" you'd have to be very gullible (not implying that's you) to believe that.

Was OJ innocent? That was a similar situation. Cops were clearly racist. I think the average person will probably agree that OJ was guilty as all sin. Should OJ got off for killing two people simply because the cops were racist? I personally disagree with that verdict. I also partly understand the general euphoria in the black community when he was found not guilty.

As a black guy I am sure you could speak to many things that I am simply not privy to and it wouldn't be my place to correct your lived experience. But to pretend what happened here is reasonable or that the guy was defending himself because a super liberal jury found him not guilty is just weird. I have seen juries find not guilty on open and shut cases(jury nullification is a thing).

The stabee had no idea of the stabber's criminal background. And I didn't say the stabbing was justified because of the stabee's criminal background, it was justified because if the stabber approached the guy and just talked, even with the knife in his hand, the guy attacked him. That's what his story was and the jury believed it. In the absence of the audio from the footage, it was a he said/he said between two men of questionable character.

I dont want to put my personal perspective into it because it's not relevant. I wasnt there and I dont like turning the situation hypothetical. It's just interesting how uppity the same people always get if a jury actually believes a black suspect's story. It becomes some highlight miscarriage of justice. Suddenly the narrative is that the justice system is soft on black people when all available data suggests the opposite is true.

As for your anecdotal experience, while appreciated, both these men were homeless. Throughout my life I've had homeless people either approach me or walk near me with a myriad of weird sh*t in their hands. A knife would likely be less weird than some things. I was maybe 13 in Miami walking down the street to my Father's house and there was a homeless dude with a broken bottle in his hand, like guy in a bar fight style. He was muttering something as well. I didnt turn towards him and try to whip his @ss because I felt threatened. If he asked me if I wanted to buy the bottle my ghetto experience tells me to just go "nah I'm good" and keep it moving.

Bye the way I also have a weird Tenderloin story. I was on a bus with 2 friends from Virginia when we were staying in SF and a guy opened fire on the bus. He was standing at a stop and when the bus passed him, he pulled a handgun and shot. The bus went around this "U" shaped street and he ran across and fired more. My friends and I were terrified, but what was weird was no one else moved, and nothing shattered. Someone who rode that bus frequently goes: "Don't worry, they're not real bullets. He just crazy. The bus dont stop there and he gets mad and does this all the time."

 

[nhbbear]

He s been very incoherent for years now.

Yeah, but at least he tries to argue his points, will respond to each point/counterpoint, and will read an entire response which is a hell of a lot more than some of these other twats like sweater, wilder, et. al that simply post a laugh gif, tldr, wall of text, etc.

I swear, for a forum that is more dedicated to debate and debate that I occasionally backed up via sources, we have some of the laziest cunts in the business.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

The stabee had no idea of the stabber's criminal background. And I didn't say the stabbing was justified because of the stabee's criminal background, it was justified because if the stabber approached the guy and just talked, even with the knife in his hand, the guy attacked him. That's what his story was and the jury believed it. In the absence of the audio from the footage, it was a he said/he said between two men of questionable character.

I think we have a difference of opinion here. I don't think approaching anyone with a weapon in hand is reasonable. I don't care if it's a guy from my background and speaking my native language. It's very weird.

I dont want to put my personal perspective into it because it's not relevant. I wasnt there and I dont like turning the situation hypothetical. It's just interesting how uppity the same people always get if a jury actually believes a black suspect's story. It becomes some highlight miscarriage of justice. Suddenly the narrative is that the justice system is soft on black people when all available data suggests the opposite is true.

This is not my criticism and it feels a bit strawmanish. I am well aware that black defendants on average get tougher sentences US wide. The idea of self defense is just very odd here, at least to me. I also don't understand why you're so reluctant to put your personal perspective here. That's why we're all here and I enjoy reading perspectives different from my own. Many if not most such calls are typically abated by the cops or not charged by the DA. I had a call where a guy stabbed his roommate to death over a couple doses of methadone. I wouldn't be surprised if he got some light manslaughter charge(I got transfered so I didn't keep up with the case but I believe it was some kind of a plea deal). You'd be shocked at how many people in the tenderloin are walking with 187 convictions.

As for your anecdotal experience, while appreciated, both these men were homeless. Throughout my life I've had homeless people either approach me or walk near me with a myriad of weird sh*t in their hands. A knife would likely be less weird than some things. I was maybe 13 in Miami walking down the street to my Father's house and there was a homeless dude with a broken bottle in his hand, like guy in a bar fight style. He was muttering something as well. I didnt turn towards him and try to whip his @ss because I felt threatened. If he asked me if I wanted to buy the bottle my ghetto experience tells me to just go "nah I'm good" and keep it moving.

It ultimately depends on the exact circumstances. If some crackhead tried to corner me with a broken glassbottle I'd be preparing myself to either run or fight. I've had people approach me to buy drugs or stolen property and I too just went with the "nah I'm good". But it's very different when it's something that can be wielded as a weapon.

Bye the way I also have a weird Tenderloin story. I was on a bus with 2 friends from Virginia when we were staying in SF and a guy opened fire on the bus. He was standing at a stop and when the bus passed him, he pulled a handgun and shot. The bus went around this "U" shaped street and he ran across and fired more. My friends and I were terrified, but what was weird was no one else moved, and nothing shattered. Someone who rode that bus frequently goes: "Don't worry, they're not real bullets. He just crazy. The bus dont stop there and he gets mad and does this all the time."

That's crazy.

Were you on Powell St?