Social WTF Elon ????????????????

[chardog]

So you're saying a guy that dedicates less than 1/3rd of his current time to tunnel digging, with no degree in the subject, who hadn't done anything related to it until 5 years ago....knows more than a dozen experts with decades of experience focused soley on digging?

You assessment of his relative experience is off by at least a factor of 10 and up to a factor of 50 lol

his boring practices are unconventional, and I have no idea what he does. I just know that his LA project should have cost a billion, but he claims was done for 10 million, that's a 100 factor difference. The size of the hole was small, just enough to fit a car.

his tunnel in the mountain may very well cost 1B, but it may not be up to the spec/style the aussies want it to be.

 

[brackis1]

his boring practices are unconventional, and I have no idea what he does. I just know that his LA project should have cost a billion, but he claims was done for 10 million, that's a 100 factor difference. The size of the hole was small, just enough to fit a car.

his tunnel in the mountain may very well cost 1B, but it may not be up to the spec/style the aussies want it to be.

Not up to spec? It doesn't take an engineer to understand that it's not even in the same stratosphere of spec to dig an empty hole, and even then it doesn't scale well when dealing with variety terrian, geological formation and so forth.

 

[JonesBones]

I cant say if this is brilliant or not, but I love the idea of simplistic, elegant, and purposeful design, and working among other engineers, there's a tendency to offer too much rather than take away. I try my best to adhere to that ideology, and lucky enough to be the lead for my particular segment. It's not easy crafting something that gives just enough, it's really tough making high intuitive designs, cannot be underestimated.

this type of outside the box thinking + making it happen, makes all the difference in the world. I've ran into so many ideas that failed because they were too complex and poor in design, it's not easy having such good foresight and making it work.

Exactly. Exactly. Complexity kills things. And people will say Musk and Jobs didn't invent this stuff but they pushed people to. That is a form of good leadership. There are many ways to judge a leader and Musk fails at many but this is not one of them. They are both very demanding and push people to do what they don't think they can do. I wouldn't want to work for either Jobs or Musk honestly. Or maybe I need somebody like them to put a foot in my ass.

Jobs was also rushing out products that were half done or just barely functional. Made promises that he didn't know he could keep but tried as hard as he could.


Andy Hertzfeld: We're not a pit crew at Daytona. This can't be fixed in seconds.
Steve Jobs: You didn't have seconds, you had three weeks. The universe was created in a third of that time.
Andy Hertzfeld: Well, someday you'll have to tell us how you did it.

 

[jefferz]

Rich finally got his Model X after 2.5 months.

 

[ineverpost]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/tech/boring-company-tunnel-elon-musk/index.html



Jesus. I have a great idea. Howz about we make the tunnel a little bigger, then we can put bigger vehicles in that carry lots of people. We could call it a subway.

rich people don't want to be in a tin can with the unwashed

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Musk is on that level with Julian Assange of guys who were darlings of the left, went against the orthodoxy, and now has a horde of leftists crying for his blood.

It's a pretty fascinating process to watch.

 

[brackis1]

Musk is on that level with Julian Assange of guys who were darlings of the left, went against the orthodoxy, and now has a horde of leftists crying for his blood.

It's a pretty fascinating process to watch.

Hey it's me Yorkist! I'm here to talk about something I know nothing about while attributing the things I like about the subject of the thread I'm in to my insane partisan world view while blaming everything on leftists.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Hey it's me Yorkist! I'm here to talk about something I know nothing about while attributing the things I like about the subject of the thread I'm in to my insane partisan world view while blaming everything on leftists.

 

[PEB]

Elon looking for Brackis to deal with his beef.

 

[brackis1]

Elon looking for Brackis to deal with his beef.

lol you realize this is all paid advertising right?
Tesla pays these Youtube and Twitter stars to engage with Musk and promote Tesla and generate reciprocal traffic. I already pointed this out weeks ago when suddenly Musk was engaging in a twitter dialog with the most popular gamer about his brand new Tesla named TFUE, who shot a series of videos hyping Tesla. Do you not understand the economics of how Youtube stars make their millions?

I mean just look at this friggin exchange. It makes zero sense.
"I dare you to host a meme review!" (why is this famous Youtube dude even talking to Musk?)
"$5" (what the fuck would Musk even mean by this if not as part of some pre-arranged "banter")
"Oh yeah well I'll buy a Tesla!!!"

The tweet has 350k likes in a few hours. About 100 times more than Musk's other tweets (well except the TFUE exchange, which reached similar huge numbers...). It's so blatant to anyone who has actually worked in social media management and the 'influencer economy'. You probably don't realize these social media accounts with millions of followers get paid 100-300k for a tweet or two endorsing a product right? It's stupid easy money to spam followers with a product endorsement.

But of course Musk will then return to crying wolf tears about how hard his life is and how he is impossibly busy saving the world once the fanfare of him "hosting meme review" dies down. It's pretty much the same shtick as when he went on the Joe Rogan Podcast: identify a famous show/subculture that has a demographic likely to support Tesla (young males) and then show how "hip" he is while blasting an ad for Tesla to their followers.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

Musk is such an interesting character.

His genius is only exceeded by his hubris, and I think there is an equal chance that he either revolutionizes transport, or destroys his company(ies)

Achieving success in one medium does not guarantee that you are able to replicate it in another. I think people conflate the fact that his early achievements are somehow predictive of what he will be able to do next.

I'm rooting for him though.

 

[brackis1]

Musk is such an interesting character.

His genius is only exceeded by his hubris, and I think there is an equal chance that he either revolutionizes transport, or destroys his company(ies)

Achieving success in one medium does not guarantee that you are able to replicate it in another. I think people conflate the fact that his early achievements are somehow predictive of what he will be able to do next.

I'm rooting for him though.

Hey man I remember you from way back on here! Crazy how time flies. Hope you're well.
I agree with the combo of hubris and the "past results" predictive fallacy. Ironically if he had stuck with Paypal (history forgets that he was ousted from his role there), he'd actually have more money, since that company has twice the market cap and he'd have a huge amount of shares (had 10+% when they cashed long ago, let alone all the shares he'd have gotten in the years since then for sticking with the company).

They're actually quite similar to Tesla in that they rely heavily on spamming referral codes. I signed up for X.com and Paypal because there was a $5 bribe for doing so and then a $5 bribe for every person I referred. Ahh the good old days of eBay, Dealprovider.com and so forth. A crazy wrinkle in time. Ironically all the money I have laying around to bet for/against Musk/Tesla is from 2000s era affiliate marketing when 888 or PartyPoker would pay you $100 to send a live gambler to one of their sites.

 

[brackis1]

bUT sPaCEX aND tESLa ArE DiFFereNT cOmPaNies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html?noredirect=on

"In a June financial filing, Tesla said Musk’s rocket company SpaceX operated the plane and sent Tesla a tab worth roughly $700,000 in 2017."

 

[lifelessheap]

lol you realize this is all paid advertising right?
Tesla pays these Youtube and Twitter stars to engage with Musk and promote Tesla and generate reciprocal traffic. I already pointed this out weeks ago when suddenly Musk was engaging in a twitter dialog with the most popular gamer about his brand new Tesla named TFUE, who shot a series of videos hyping Tesla. Do you not understand the economics of how Youtube stars make their millions?

I mean just look at this friggin exchange. It makes zero sense.
"I dare you to host a meme review!" (why is this famous Youtube dude even talking to Musk?)
"$5" (what the fuck would Musk even mean by this if not as part of some pre-arranged "banter")
"Oh yeah well I'll buy a Tesla!!!"

The tweet has 350k likes in a few hours. About 100 times more than Musk's other tweets (well except the TFUE exchange, which reached similar huge numbers...). It's so blatant to anyone who has actually worked in social media management and the 'influencer economy'. You probably don't realize these social media accounts with millions of followers get paid 100-300k for a tweet or two endorsing a product right? It's stupid easy money to spam followers with a product endorsement.

But of course Musk will then return to crying wolf tears about how hard his life is and how he is impossibly busy saving the world once the fanfare of him "hosting meme review" dies down. It's pretty much the same shtick as when he went on the Joe Rogan Podcast: identify a famous show/subculture that has a demographic likely to support Tesla (young males) and then show how "hip" he is while blasting an ad for Tesla to their followers.

would you rather Tesla spend 2 billion a year in traditional advertising? His marketing is clever.


you are an emotional wreck and Musk lives in your head rent free.

 

[brackis1]

would you rather Tesla spend 2 billion a year in traditional advertising? His marketing is clever.


you are an emotional wreck and Musk lives in your head rent free.

I have no problem with companies advertising a product or service legitimately and legally.
Paying people to shill for your on social media without disclosing it is against FTC laws and also just shows that yes, the dude is in it to sell cars not save the world.
If it helps you find happiness, sure I'm weeping in agony over here and have nightmares about Elon sliding into my rectal cavity. Has nothing to do with me doing research on investment opportunities all day. It's obviously me, the guy who can see through blatant hypebeasting that is mentally shook, not the oodles of braindead fools being led around by this guy through a popsci fairytale.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Must be tough being the smartest guy on the planet especially when no one else gives a fuck.

 

[PEB]

I have no problem with companies advertising a product or service legitimately and legally.
Paying people to shill for your on social media without disclosing it is against FTC laws and also just shows that yes, the dude is in it to sell cars not save the world.
If it helps you find happiness, sure I'm weeping in agony over here and have nightmares about Elon sliding into my rectal cavity. Has nothing to do with me doing research on investment opportunities all day. It's obviously me, the guy who can see through blatant hypebeasting that is mentally shook, not the oodles of braindead fools being led around by this guy through a popsci fairytale.

I agree about some of this but social media been doing this for years. I call it indirect marketing using social media influencers. The Kardashians literally created the segment with Twitter and Instagram. I heard that Kendell pulls down sometimes over a 100k per Instagram post.

Product placement all over the place. These posts are highly stylized but they try to make them look like normal photos. I heard as many as 4 or 5 people in the room with her. It can take a few hours prep work for one photo.

 

[lifelessheap]

I have no problem with companies advertising a product or service legitimately and legally.
Paying people to shill for your on social media without disclosing it is against FTC laws and also just shows that yes, the dude is in it to sell cars not save the world.
If it helps you find happiness, sure I'm weeping in agony over here and have nightmares about Elon sliding into my rectal cavity. Has nothing to do with me doing research on investment opportunities all day. It's obviously me, the guy who can see through blatant hypebeasting that is mentally shook, not the oodles of braindead fools being led around by this guy through a popsci fairytale.

If it is illegal then call the cops pussy.

 

[brackis1]

I agree about some of this but social media been doing this for years. I call it indirect marketing using social media influencers. The Kardashians literally created the segment with Twitter and Instagram. I heard that Kendell pulls down sometimes over a 100k per Instagram post.

Product placement all over the place. These posts are highly stylized but they try to make them look like normal photos. I heard as many as 4 or 5 people in the room with her. It can take a few hours prep work for one photo.

Okay so now step back and listen to what you just typed in relation to previous comments here.
You're trying to tell me a billionaire playboy who sells luxury cars is saving the world while favorably comparing him to the motherfucking KARDASHIANS selling fake weight loss pills lol. It's INSANE.

And yes a Kardashian can easily make 100k; it's actually much higher depending on the level of promotion (single snapchat story, instagram, video, photo, longterm inclusion wearing at events/future posts etc...).
Anyone who doesn't think this stuff is straight up hypebeasting doesn't know squat about marketing and celebrity branding. The scale of this stuff is MASSIVE. I've worked in the music industry and you'll have a team of 3 people spending their day doing social media posts and fighting over silly shit like font type and billing placement on festival lineups and bribing bloggers and magazine writers with lunch, blow etc... for a single mid-tier touring musician who makes like 200k a year. So imagine what's going on when the revenue number is 10 billion...

 

[PEB]

Must be tough being the smartest guy on the planet especially when no one else gives a fuck.

Media loves attacking him because GM an Ford spend like a billion each a year on ads. You can see how they are stepping up their attacks as Tesla Model 3 starts cutting into other ad buying companies sales.

You talk about FTC stuff maybe FTC should look into what New York Times an Washington Post constantly attacking him an his companies.

They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them by giving a positive report. Heck New York Times took it to a new level right out of the gate with a front page story how it ran out of juice during testing.

They put it on the page a photo of a tow truck. This was FUDtacular stuff by this times piece then there was top gear nonsense. I could go on an on.