Social WTF Elon ????????????????

[PEB]

Okay so now step back and listen to what you just typed in relation to previous comments here.
You're trying to tell me a billionaire playboy who sells luxury cars is saving the world while favorably comparing him to the motherfucking KARDASHIANS selling fake weight loss pills lol. It's INSANE.

And yes a Kardashian can easily make 100k; it's actually much higher depending on the level of promotion (single snapchat story, instagram, video, photo, longterm inclusion wearing at events/future posts etc...)

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I think the point you missed not comparing Elon to them. This is about using social media. Burger King completely played Casey to the point he made a video about it to his 10 million plus followers just yesterday. He admitted that he was outmaneuvered by them. This is the new marketing venue for big brands.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Media loves attacking him because GM an Ford spend like a billion each a year on ads. You can see how they are stepping up their attacks as Tesla Model 3 starts cutting into other ad buying companies sales.

You talk about FTC stuff maybe FTC should look into what New York Times an Washington Post constantly attacking him an his companies.

They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them by giving a positive report. Heck New York Times took it to a new level right out of the gate with a front page story how it ran out of juice during testing.

They put it on the page a photo of a tow truck. This was FUDtacular stuff by this times piece then there was top gear nonsense. I could go on an on.

I was talking about Brackis.

 

[brackis1]

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I think the point you missed not comparing Elon to them. This is about using social media. Burger King completely played Casey to the point he made a video about it to his 10 million plus followers just yesterday. He admitted that he was outmaneuvered by them. This is the new marketing venue for big brands.

lol holy shit just wasted a few minutes of my life watching that dissonant whine-job.
He is generating outrage clicks for his brand in that video using the notion of being played by BK, which he was, by using the SAME METHODOLOGY THAT USUALLY GETS HIM PAID (e.g. make a claim on twitter, get mentioned in new article, drive clicks, gain following). Cliffnotes version was: "wah wah I got used as an example tweet in news articles that ended up helping a company because I mentioned them, but I didn't get a cut despite there literally being no prior contact between me and company, so booooo BurgerKing for me mentioning them in a tweet!"
In reality, that guy's outrage is laughable because anyone whose entire livelihood revolves around the statements and content they produce on social media knows full fucking well that by bringing up BurgerKing on twitter he was going to be giving them attention, whether he had been paid for it or not (and they had literally never contacted him about any deals, all they did was like some tweets of his, he replied back, then he felt "played").
Why is he mad then? Probably because he expected to get hit up for further paid-promo and is salty when that never came because he was just a little pawn in their promotional game.

 

[brackis1]

Get this man a nobel prize in econ asap! Better yet, rename the award after him! TSLA Bless
"The demand for Model 3 is insanely high,” Musk said. “The inhibitor is affordability. It’s just that people literally don’t have the money to buy the car.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/reu...omaker-promises-profits-and-cheaper-cars.html

 

[MikeMcMann]

Hey man I remember you from way back on here! Crazy how time flies. Hope you're well.
I agree with the combo of hubris and the "past results" predictive fallacy. Ironically if he had stuck with Paypal (history forgets that he was ousted from his role there), he'd actually have more money, since that company has twice the market cap and he'd have a huge amount of shares (had 10+% when they cashed long ago, let alone all the shares he'd have gotten in the years since then for sticking with the company).

They're actually quite similar to Tesla in that they rely heavily on spamming referral codes. I signed up for X.com and Paypal because there was a $5 bribe for doing so and then a $5 bribe for every person I referred. Ahh the good old days of eBay, Dealprovider.com and so forth. A crazy wrinkle in time. Ironically all the money I have laying around to bet for/against Musk/Tesla is from 2000s era affiliate marketing when 888 or PartyPoker would pay you $100 to send a live gambler to one of their sites.

This is very inaccurate.

Paypal was struggling mightily as there business was massive cash intensive and they were not able to fund it. It took eBay with huge pockets to step in and make it what it became and the prior ownership (Paypal Mafia) had no choice but to sell or hold it and see it implode.

You are engaged in the worst kind of spin and mischaracterizations driven by your deep and irrational hate of Elon and the need to suggest he has done everything wrong in his life.

 

[brackis1]

This is very inaccurate.

Paypal was struggling mightily as there business was massive cash intensive and they were not able to fund it. It took eBay with huge pockets to step in and make it what it became and the prior ownership (Paypal Mafia) had no choice but to sell or hold it and see it implode.

You are engaged in the worst kind of spin and mischaracterizations driven by your deep and irrational hate of Elon and the need to suggest he has done everything wrong in his life.

Oh nice to see you again. Funny you ran off when everything I was mentioning started coming true. How's your stock doing? I hope you went long into 2019 like I suggested in something other than Tesla.

Musk is engaged in the worst type of spin and mischaracterization. He lies to the public, calls cave rescue heroes philes, shitcans his veteran employees to cut costs and bring in temp contractors, ignores labor and trade laws etc...
I'm a dude on an MMA forum pointing it out. Good try on the hyperbole.

What is wrong about my statements regarding paypal? If his stake in X/Paypal had held thru until today, which it didn't because he wasn't half the amazing rich genius he claims to be, that share and any further shares acquired from running the company (since he is CEO supreme lauded to be worth 30 billion on paper shares of Tesla and SpaceX) would definitely have made him wealthier in actuality than he is today.
My point being the public (mis)understanding of his work history is "omg this dude rich AF, he founded Paypal then two other amazing companies. He can't lose!" when it reality he cash a fractional chip out right before the tech crash, then spent a decade toiling away trying to recruit money and prestige for other ventures until his shares in those companies surged on funding/valuation.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Oh nice to see you again. Funny you ran off when everything I was mentioning started coming true. How's your stock doing? I hope you went long into 2019 like I suggested in something other than Tesla.....

What does truth have to do with anything you say? I left the thread as you are a complete nutter not generally worth talking to as you lie constantly and make things up. Most of the people who come in this thread are just pointing and laughing at you and dismissing you as one does a flat earther. One just needs to look upthread to see the newest person doing that.

But along the lines of truth please go ahead and show one post where I have said I won Tesla stock or ever have? You won't be able to as it is just one of many lies you tell. I am no Elon fan nor would I own Tesla. I said up thread I am not sure ultimately the company makes it without having to be broken up and sold at significant loss the to investors. But because I counter the nuttiest hate based stuff you say about Elon (your Paypal misinformation for example) that makes you think I must be a Elon fan. I am not.

What is wrong about your PayPal statements is your characterization that he made a mistake due to not being a smart business guy in not holding his Paypal shares. He did not have that choice. The company was sold. But you are dong that thing that people who do not understand business often do. You are using Paypal today, after massive investment by EBay and assuming the company would have similarly successful had they had the smarts to hold it. That is false.

 

[brackis1]

What does truth have to do with anything you say? I left the thread as you are a complete nutter not generally worth talking to as you lie constantly and make things up. Most of the people who come in this thread are just pointing and laughing at you and dismissing you as one does a flat earther. One just needs to look upthread to see the newest person doing that.

But along the lines of truth please go ahead and show one post where I have said I won Tesla stock or ever have? You won't be able to as it is just one of many lies you tell. I am no Elon fan nor would I own Tesla. I said up thread I am not sure ultimately the company makes it without having to be broken up and sold at significant loss the to investors. But because I counter the nuttiest hate based stuff you say about Elon (your Paypal misinformation for example) that makes you think I must be a Elon fan. I am not.

What is wrong about your PayPal statements is your characterization that he made a mistake due to not being a smart business guy in not holding his Paypal shares. He did not have that choice. The company was sold. But you are dong that thing that people who do not understand business often do. You are using Paypal today, after massive investment by EBay and assuming the company would have similarly successful had they had the smarts to hold it. That is false.

lol what are you on dude? I hate a billionaire toolbag, and you hate me.
The PayPal example is a fantastic one: he couldn't actually hack it and didn't see thru tech that is arguably far more revolutionary to the world than his bullshit (not that he built either himself). And to dismiss it as "well it doesn't count because they relied heavily on "massive investment" is super duper hilarious because um..... have you seen how SpaceX and Tesla became valued? A little something....hmmmm what are the words.....oh yeah "massive investment".

But sure, tell me more about how I'm a flat-earther in the face of such amazing arguments as "look at this casey neistat video!!!1111" and you're the sanctimonious guy who "left the thread".

 

[MikeMcMann]

lol what are you on dude? I hate a billionaire toolbag, and you hate me.

Dude. I don't know you, so I don't hate you. Don't mistake myself and many in this thread laughing at your stupidity as hate.

The PayPal example is a fantastic one: he couldn't actually hack it and didn't see thru tech that is arguably far more revolutionary to the world than his bullshit (not that he built either himself). And to dismiss it as "well it doesn't count because they relied heavily on "massive investment" is super duper hilarious because um..... have you seen how SpaceX and Tesla became valued? A little something....hmmmm what are the words.....oh yeah "massive investment".

See this is just a massive example of your business ignorance. Elon and the PayPal Mafia did not have the type of prior big exit that inspired investor confidence in them that they cold push Paypal thru without selling it. You need to read the accounts of Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman and all the others who went on to do massive things based on the very successful EXIT they had with Paypal. the EXIT was key. A concept you clearly do not understand.

It was because they demonstrated to the market that they could build a great and get an exit for investors that each of them was able to then attract even more and bigger dollars the next time.

You cannot assume that had Elon just had the brains to see it thru and stick with Paypal he would have done much better. That is literally stupid. As you have pointed out, Elon was not even active in the company at that time. Reid and Thiel and others led the sale. Does your hate of Elon require you now to suggest those guys too were all dupes and terrible business people. Why did they not stick it out with PayPal? Why do they tell stories about how it was about to implode which forced them to sell?

But sure, tell me more about how I'm a flat-earther in the face of such amazing arguments as "look at this casey neistat video!!!1111" and you're the sanctimonious guy who "left the thread".

I will certainly be leaving the thread again as you are a flat earther. I get that you don't like Elon. I am fine with that. I am no fan. But that your hate is so irrational that you find a way to suggest every single element of his life is a failure now extending to their exit of PayPal just shows how delusion and unyielding on that delusion you are.

This is the list of guys who came out of the Paypal success and all they were able to do, in running with that win. That you need to characterize that sale as a mistake now simply to slag Elon says everything about you. I would love to see you explain to the list of guys below the mistake they made. lol.



Members[edit]
Individuals whom the media refers to as members of the PayPal Mafia include:

• Peter Thiel, PayPal founder and former chief executive officer who is sometimes referred to as the "don" of the PayPal Mafia[5]
• Max Levchin, Founder and chief technology officer at PayPal sometimes called the "consigliere" of the PayPal Mafia[4][12]
• Elon Musk, is founder of X.com which acquired the company Confinity. Musk later co-founded Tesla Motors, SpaceX, OpenAI, The Boring Company, and is the Chairman of SolarCity[3][8][13]
• David O. Sacks, former PayPal COO who later founded Geni.com and Yammer[3]
• Scott Banister, former Ironport CTO and PayPal board member[14]
• Roelof Botha, former PayPal CFO who later became a partner of venture capital firm Sequoia Capital[15]
• Steve Chen, former PayPal engineer who co-founded YouTube.[16]
• David Gausebeck, former PayPal Technical Architect, co-creator of the Gausebeck-Levchin test, co-founder of Matterport Inc., a digital 3-D modeling company. [17]
• Reid Hoffman, former executive vice president who later founded LinkedIn and was an early investor in Facebook, Aviary,[18] Friendster, Six Apart, Zynga, IronPort, Flickr, Digg, Grockit, Ping.fm, Nanosolar, Care.com, Knewton, Kongregate, Last.fm, Ning, and Technorati[3][19][20]
• Ken Howery, former PayPal CFO who became a partner at Founders Fund[21]
• Chad Hurley, former PayPal web designer who co-founded YouTube[8]
• Eric M. Jackson, who wrote the book The PayPal Wars and became chief executive officer of WND Books and co-founded CapLinked.[22]
• Jawed Karim, former PayPal engineer who co-founded YouTube.[15]
• Rod D. Martin, former special counsel to CEO Peter Thiel whose 10X Capital took over Galectin Therapeutics in 2009 and who founded Advanced Search Laboratories in 2012.[23]
• Dave McClure, a former PayPal marketing director, a super angel investor for start up companies[24] and founder of 500 Startups which has hit 500+ investments. [25]
• Andrew McCormack, co-founder of Valar Ventures [26][15]
• Ken Miller, original vice president of risk management at PayPal, and is now a venture capitalist at Omidyar Network as well as an original board advisor to Square and Eric Jackson's company, CapLinked.
• Luke Nosek, PayPal co-founder and former vice president of marketing and strategy, became a partner at Founders Fund with Peter Thiel and Ken Howery[27]
• Jason Portnoy, former vice president of financial planning and analysis who later became CFO at Peter Thiel's Clarium Capital, CFO at Palantir Technologies, and founding partner at Subtraction Capital.
• Keith Rabois, a former executive at PayPal who later worked at LinkedIn, Slide, Square, and currently Khosla Ventures, and personally invested in Tokbox, Xoom, Slide, LinkedIn, Geni, Room 9 Entertainment, YouTube, and Yelp.[15]
• Jack Selby, former vice president of corporate and international development at PayPal who co-founded Clarium Capital with Peter Thiel, later becoming managing director of Grandmaster Capital Management.[28]
• Premal Shah, former product manager at PayPal, became the founding president of Kiva.org.[4]
• Russel Simmons, former PayPal engineer who co-founded Yelp Inc.[15]
• Jeremy Stoppelman, former vice president of technology at PayPal who later co-founded Yelp, Inc.[3][5][7][29][30]
• Yishan Wong, a former engineering manager at PayPal, later worked at Facebook and became the CEO of Reddit.[31]

 

[JonesBones]

I sold the rest of my Tesla this morning. Done with this shit. Sneaks in another major executive leaving at end of conference call. Musk sounded shook. It is similar to Trump. All these guys keep leaving. What is the common denominator here?

 

[brackis1]

See this is just a massive example of your business ignorance. Elon and the PayPal Mafia did not have the type of prior big exit that inspired investor confidence in them that they cold push Paypal thru without selling it.

Dude you quoting Wikipedia doesn't mean diddly. You literally made the same post a month ago lol.
Throwing a bunch of techbro names at the wall doesn't make Elon Musk any more great.
He was a dude who came up at the right time in the tech game. He sold his first company before Paypal, took a fractional amount of Paypal, and now claims and is proclaimed as a god-mode can't-miss star who runs numerous successful companies. I mean look no further than the ridiculous way he is written up in that copy-pasta lol.

I stand by the sentence you're attacking (in some desperate come-out-of-the-woodwork proof all the things I've said are wrong! ). If Musk had been at Paypal and ran that company to its existing level, he would be richer and more financially secure than he is today. But he didn't because his best skill is selling r/Futurology ideas, not running companies.

 

[brackis1]

I sold the rest of my Tesla this morning. Done with this shit. Sneaks in another major executive leaving at end of conference call. Musk sounded shook. It is similar to Trump. All these guys keep leaving. What is the common denominator here?

I actually covered my shorts on open when I saw some upswing. I want to get back in but figure they're going to make a full court press before more bad news hits, unless the general market tanks.

 

[JonesBones]

I actually covered my shorts on open when I saw some upswing. I want to get back in but figure they're going to make a full court press before more bad news hits, unless the general market tanks.

The economy is slowing and the cars are expensive too.

 

[JonesBones]

All that being said, auto industry sucks in general. Garbage investments. lol Tesla is still probably the best auto stock.

 

[brackis1]

The economy is slowing and the cars are expensive too.

The pro-musk crowd and stakeholders can point to international growth and the Model Y to keep hopes alive. In reality those will be losers too because of additional freight costs and regulations.
It's no shocker that half the Model 3s sold thus far are in California where the lowest hanging fruit are in terms of delivery and registration.

 

[brackis1]

All that being said, auto industry sucks in general. Garbage investments. lol Tesla is still probably the best auto stock.

TrueCar has been my great hedge against this up market. Has held flat for weeks while I shorted it in an upmarket. If things go south this baby will get wrecked. Shitty fucking salesman app

 

[MikeMcMann]

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I stand by the sentence you're attacking (in some desperate come-out-of-the-woodwork proof all the things I've said are wrong! ). If Musk had been at Paypal and ran that company to its existing level, he would be richer and more financially secure than he is today. But he didn't because his best skill is selling r/Futurology ideas, not running companies.

You are at least consistent in standing behind your prior stupidity.

You look at any company bought by giants like eBay, Facebook, Google or others that goes on to massive success and assume if the founding entrepreneurs did not sell and held on they would have had the exact same success.

You think that because you simply do not understand business. Not even a little bit.

Like I said, you are the type of internet know it all (who knows nothing) who would literally be telling Reid Hoffman and Peter Thiel and all the PayPal founders what a mistake they made because if they only held onto PayPal how much better they would be doing. Despite the fact they have all spoken about how Paypal was at a critical inflection point of sell or implode. They had taken it as far as they could as a group.

 

[brackis1]

You are at least consistent in standing behind your prior stupidity.

You look at any company bought by giants like eBay, Facebook, Google or others that goes on to massive success and assume if the founding entrepreneurs did not sell and held on they would have had the exact same success.

You think that because you simply do not understand business. Not even a little bit.

Like I said, you are the type of internet know it all (who knows nothing) who would literally be telling Reid Hoffman and Peter Thiel and all the PayPal founders what a mistake they made because if they only held onto PayPal how much better they would be doing. Despite the fact they have all spoken about how Paypal was at a critical inflection point of sell or implode. They had taken it as far as they could as a group.

This has nothing to do with Thiel or Hoffman, who both impress me far more than Musk despite my hatred of Thiel. Hoffman is also an asshole deep down, but hides it well. (I used to compete with an EdTech firm he was leading)
Musk literally appeals to the exact turdbro you're accusing me of being: internet know-it-alls with TLDR level understanding of cars, tech, stocks etc...

 

[MikeMcMann]

This has nothing to do with Thiel or Hoffman, who both impress me far more than Musk despite my hatred of Thiel. Hoffman is also an asshole deep down, but hides it well. (I used to compete with an EdTech firm he was leading)
Musk literally appeals to the exact turdbro you're accusing me of being: internet know-it-alls with TLDR level understanding of cars, tech, stocks etc...

Musk was out of daily operations with Paypal and the others were still there. So if you blame him for moving on and not sticking it out with Paypal based on where Paypal is today you cannot give them a pass. That is, not unless you are completely irrational in your hate of Musk.

And since we know you are, we also know you WILL put the blame on Musk while finding a way to give the other guys a pass.

Imagine how irrational one has to be in their hate of an individual that they would find a way to characterize the sale of PayPal as a failure simply because you cannot give an ounce of credit to that person for a single thing they accomplished in their life.

 

[brackis1]

Musk was out of daily operations with Paypal and the others were still there. So if you blame him for moving on and not sticking it out with Paypal based on where Paypal is today you cannot give them a pass. That is, not unless you are completely irrational in your hate of Musk.

And since we know you are, we also know you WILL put the blame on Musk while finding a way to give the other guys a pass.

Imagine how irrational one has to be in their hate of an individual that they would find a way to characterize the sale of PayPal as a failure simply because you cannot give an ounce of credit to that person for a single thing they accomplished in their life.

The sale wasn't a failure. It was the perfect example of what Musk is: guy with some success surrounded by really talented rich people.

What is your endgame here? Prove he is amazing? There is so so soooooo much here to show what lunatic garbage he is, and your comeback is "omfg paypal mafia! you don't know shit about the economy!"