Social WTF Elon ????????????????

I think this guy may be an engineer, anyway I think he gives a fair break down of the car.

 
brackis1 said:
Yes that's exactly the level of analysis our world needs "bUt tHiS 0ther k0mpany wAS S0lD for 8 b1LLioN!" This is the second straight time you've tried to argue for Musk using some false measure of relative success (first thru production acceleration of Teslas compared to established production vehicles, now through company valuation comparison)
Nobody here is saying rockets are useless. I'm saying we shouldn't blindly trust Elon Musk as our rocket-guru because his industrial motivations are psychotic and self-centered, with a track record of making shit up to keep him relevant/famous rather than actually advancing society.

Just this morning Reddit managed to make a FAKE Tesla autopilot video a top 5 post in popularity. Shared/posted by the biggest Tesla/EV propaganda blog out there (one Musk retweets often).
https://electrek.co/2019/01/05/tesla-autopilot-control-sliding-ice-video/
Video is doctored and doesn't actually show anything, but makes for a good fairytale.

I don't think folks truly understand the motivation behind the cult behavior and how vocal Tesla owners have become: referral bonuses.
Tesla gives people unique referral codes to incentivize them to spam the web with Tesla content.
In exchange they get paid indirectly through perks like free electricity, free engraved momentos, promises of earning a place at a future hyperbeast product debut, meeting Musk etc... It's the same trick that got morons to sell their relatives magazines in 6th grade, or get 5 friends to sign up for Audible to earn a free iPod when those were first popular, but on a grand scale.
So then you have random evangelical idiots posting whatever the fuck they can to get clicks and attention for Tesla, including outright lies and fake videos, stunts etc..., to try to get people to make deposits on Teslas through their links. Tesla's marcom department are absolute masters of getting people to watch advertisements without realizing they are, and of the most valuable type: organic product placement. Of course Tesla can plausibly deny any involvement in the thousands of pieces of propaganda that get put out because they're not officially endorsing or paying for these advertisements. That despite offering referral bonuses as capitally expensive as a Powerwall 2 homebattery system, which would otherwise cost over $5k. So that's well above a 10% referral kickback on a $60k car. Ponzi schemish no?

For example, I found the dude who made the above fake Tesla video on facebook (Eric Laperriere, hosted from a youtube account with zero other videos). The first thing on his profile is a hyperlink for Tesla referrals.
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https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-musk-ends-tesla-referral-20190117-story.html
Well well, it looks like Musk and Tesla have decided they've got enough free promotional content out on youtube and elsewhere, so it's time to cut the referral programs.
If you referred 50 people to Tesla, you'd get a free $250,000 roadster.
There are charts out there showing the top referral candidates were getting somewhere around 250 referrals. And who were they? Well none other than the biggest youtube stooges like Andy Slye and Horsh Luning.

I mean fucking look at their Youtube channels lol.
These guys are pulling in 100k+ a year on Youtube revenue alone, not to mention the free Teslas, to pump Tesla products and stock.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5i6nCpwmDVKo98sZD2AAcQ
https://www.youtube.com/user/MyTechMethods1/videos

Now these youtubers will be cut off from the referral program, but their content will continue to exist and serve as free advertising for Tesla. Produced, shot, and not-fact-checked by random fans, so they achieve plausible deniability over any sensationalism involved.
https://electrek.co/2019/01/17/tesla-roadster-free-killed-referral-program/
Based on this article, the top 60 referral codes generated over 4000 referrals in the 18 months the program was live
And Tesla sold somewhere around 250,000 cars in that time frame.
It appears there are about 50,000 referrals total according to an unofficial referral tracker I found. That would mean 1 of 5 cars is referred!

That's a staggeringly high number!
But on the other hand, if you add that up, it's still possibly cheaper than shooting commercials.
 
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brackis1 said:
His story seemed almost as fishy as Musk's.
I need to check the original video again, but he I think claimed his mom drove down to the dealership with him, but then he is filming her in the car on the way home and she seems to almost be acting and pretending like she doesn't know what happened at pickup for the purposes of him being able to tell her on camera and film a reaction.
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He was supposed to go pick up the loaner car in a different city. His mom lives in that city so he took a train there, his mom picked him up at the train station and took him to the dealer. Instead of getting the loaner he was promised, his mom had to take him back to the train station so he could get home.
 
brackis1 said:
Numerous things.
The guy is constantly making up facts about company performance to artificially prop up the price of his stock. It's covered all thru this thread
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You need people like Musk. So you can point your fuckin finger and say, "There's the bad guy." What's that make you then? Good? No, you're not good. You just know how to lie and hide. Me, I don't have that problem. I tell the truth even when I lie. Make way for the bad guy. There is a bad guy coming thru!



I love that line. "I always tell the truth, even when I lie." Reminds me of Gibran. Half of what I say is meaningless but it is said so the other half may reach you.

He knew himself a villain—but he deem'd
The rest no better than the thing he seem'd;
And scorn'd the best as hypocrites who hid
Those deeds the bolder spirit plainly did.
He knew himself detested, but he knew
The hearts that loath'd him, crouch'd and dreaded too.
Lone, wild, and strange, he stood alike exempt
From all affection and from all contempt
 
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jefferz said:
He was supposed to go pick up the loaner car in a different city. His mom lives in that city so he took a train there, his mom picked him up at the train station and took him to the dealer. Instead of getting the loaner he was promised, his mom had to take him back to the train station so he could get home.
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Right, but she is asking him questions after the incident that seem to be things she should have known before that.
It's actually pretty sketchy because he DELETED the video I watched, a reuploaded a new edit yesterday of the same content with some omitted.
Notice how you can briefly see his mom's clothing insider the dealership, then it cuts to her ranting in the car. In the original video I am 95% sure it starts with her talking to him in the car as if she hadn't been inside the dealership. I can't find the original video anymore so I can't prove it.
 
JonesBones said:
You need people like Musk. So you can point your fuckin finger and say, "There's the bad guy." What's that make you then? Good? No, you're not good. You just know how to lie and hide. Me, I don't have that problem. I tell the truth even when I lie. Make way for the bad guy. There is a bad guy coming thru!
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Ironically I cashed my short too early today expecting some Tesla pushback, got back in, then bought it at 300 when I saw resistance and rebuying by loyalists. I'm expecting a serious push to debut the Tesla Semi and/or Model Y soon to keep the ruse alive a little longer.
 
LOL homeboy's fake rocket FELL OVER IN THE WIND. It was "fully assembled" on JAn 10 when they had a fake astronaut pose next to it in a suit. Which is why they were still puting the main steel pieces insider it yesterday?
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chardog said:
wowzers I want one, but he didnt get autopilot.... lame
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The dashboard is somewhat revolutionary. It is simplified. Again, Steve Jobs. These guys are all about design. I was watching some business lectures and the guy said instead of asking what you can do that others don't --what you can add. Instead of doing that, look what you can subtract. As somebody said, art is finished not when there is nothing left to add, but nothing left to take away. He also didn't want "holes" as in air vents. These are the kind of things I find cool and important. lol. I mean Google is the most tacky company. So lame. No style.


Musk declared he didn’t want visible air vents. “I don’t want to see any holes,” von Holzhausen recalls him saying. Von Holzhausen paired engineer Joseph Mardall with designer Peter Blades to figure that one out. Blades’s sketch called for a recessed gap across the entire width of the car from which the air would flow, with a long strip of wood instead of the dash. Mardall pointed out that to make the approach work, the entire ventilation system would need to be redesigned. “Are we serious about this?” he recalls asking.

Musk was serious, but a second problem soon appeared: The wooden strip, just below the air gap, worked like an airplane wing, sucking cold air down and shooting it into the driver’s lap. Mardall, an aerodynamics specialist, proposed adding a second, hidden gap from which air would shoot straight up, lifting the main blast of cold air above the piece of wood and away from the driver’s crotch. “It was one of those eureka moments,” Blades recalls, still in awe of the elegance of the solution. “The spine still tingles.”

The system Blades and Mardall designed combines all the components of a standard HVAC system into a single basketball-size glob of molded plastic tucked under the hood, which Tesla calls the Superbottle. The glob is stamped with a logo of a bottle wearing a superhero cape.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...-s-model-3-became-elon-musk-s-version-of-hell
 
JonesBones said:
The dashboard is somewhat revolutionary. It is simplified. Again, Steve Jobs. These guys are all about design. I was watching some business lectures and the guy said instead of asking what you can do that others don't --what you can add. Instead of doing that, look what you can subtract. As somebody said, art is finished not when there is nothing left to add, but nothing left to take away. He also didn't want "holes" as in air vents. These are the kind of things I find cool and important. lol. I mean Google is the most tacky company. So lame. No style.


Musk declared he didn’t want visible air vents. “I don’t want to see any holes,” von Holzhausen recalls him saying. Von Holzhausen paired engineer Joseph Mardall with designer Peter Blades to figure that one out. Blades’s sketch called for a recessed gap across the entire width of the car from which the air would flow, with a long strip of wood instead of the dash. Mardall pointed out that to make the approach work, the entire ventilation system would need to be redesigned. “Are we serious about this?” he recalls asking.

Musk was serious, but a second problem soon appeared: The wooden strip, just below the air gap, worked like an airplane wing, sucking cold air down and shooting it into the driver’s lap. Mardall, an aerodynamics specialist, proposed adding a second, hidden gap from which air would shoot straight up, lifting the main blast of cold air above the piece of wood and away from the driver’s crotch. “It was one of those eureka moments,” Blades recalls, still in awe of the elegance of the solution. “The spine still tingles.”

The system Blades and Mardall designed combines all the components of a standard HVAC system into a single basketball-size glob of molded plastic tucked under the hood, which Tesla calls the Superbottle. The glob is stamped with a logo of a bottle wearing a superhero cape.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...-s-model-3-became-elon-musk-s-version-of-hell
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I cant say if this is brilliant or not, but I love the idea of simplistic, elegant, and purposeful design, and working among other engineers, there's a tendency to offer too much rather than take away. I try my best to adhere to that ideology, and lucky enough to be the lead for my particular segment. It's not easy crafting something that gives just enough, it's really tough making high intuitive designs, cannot be underestimated.

this type of outside the box thinking + making it happen, makes all the difference in the world. I've ran into so many ideas that failed because they were too complex and poor in design, it's not easy having such good foresight and making it work.
 
chardog said:
I cant say if this is brilliant or not, but I love the idea of simplistic, elegant, and purposeful design, and working among other engineers, there's a tendency to offer too much rather than take away. I try my best to adhere to that ideology, and lucky enough to be the lead for my particular segment. It's not easy crafting something that gives just enough, it's really tough making high intuitive designs, cannot be underestimated.

this type of outside the box thinking + making it happen, makes all the difference in the world. I've ran into so many ideas that failed because they were too complex and poor in design, it's not easy having such good foresight and making it work.
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You guys are giving this rich playboy way too much credit. Musk is not a design expert. He sits around making wacky shit up and then has actual engineers and design teams try to make something work.

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In many interviews, Musk made it seem like Eberhard (a Tesla founder) was causing delays in constructing the Roadster. Eberhard's complaint alleges otherwise:

"Musk took persistent and distracting interest in random details of marginal importance, such as wasting valuable resources and time on research on installing electronic door latches, rather than conventional door latches. The results were ever increasing delays in the Roadster's production, as well as sky-rocketing expenses."


It's not like other car companies just hire idiots and haven't tried to develop better user-experience and interiors; they just know that costs and consistency are important and don't make luxury cars.
It's like calling an architect designing a middle-class trackhome development unimaginative for not installing copper heated floors, as if finances aren't the main constraint.
 
brackis1 said:
You guys are giving this rich playboy way too much credit. Musk is not a design expert. He sits around making wacky shit up and then has actual engineers and design teams try to make something work.

"
In many interviews, Musk made it seem like Eberhard (a Tesla founder) was causing delays in constructing the Roadster. Eberhard's complaint alleges otherwise:

"Musk took persistent and distracting interest in random details of marginal importance, such as wasting valuable resources and time on research on installing electronic door latches, rather than conventional door latches. The results were ever increasing delays in the Roadster's production, as well as sky-rocketing expenses."


It's not like other car companies just hire idiots and haven't tried to develop better user-experience and interiors; they just know that costs and consistency are important and don't make luxury cars.
It's like calling an architect designing a middle-class trackhome development unimaginative for not installing copper heated floors, as if finances aren't the main constraint.
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I'm an engineer, and I totally respect the Musks and Jobs of the world. I've also worked with other engineers that have created industrial machines that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Having grandiose ideas mean nothing if you cant make a final product of it. I've run into CEO's that simply could not materialize because they didnt have the tech mind along with the design mind to mix. They would ask for a final product, but dont understand nuance very well. Musk and Jobs get it. I dont really like your analogy and I dont think it's the same. Research and development costs are risky business. Sometimes they work out, sometimes not.
 
chardog said:
I'm an engineer, and I totally respect the Musks and Jobs of the world. I've also worked with other engineers that have created industrial machines that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Having grandiose ideas mean nothing if you cant make a final product of it. I've run into CEO's that simply could not materialize because they didnt have the tech mind along with the design mind to mix. They would ask for a final product, but dont understand nuance very well. Musk and Jobs get it. I dont really like your analogy and I dont think it's the same. Research and development costs are risky business. Sometimes they work out, sometimes not.
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So say for example, when a group of professional industrial engineers in Australia call the dude delusional who would you side with?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/elon-musk-tunnel-idea-killed-off-by-engineers/10722930

A group of senior road tunnelling experts have rubbished entrepreneur Elon Musk's claim he can build a 50-kilometre loop through the Blue Mountains for $1 billion, with one describing it as "Alice in Wonderland" talk.

Mr Musk sparked debate yesterday after replying to a speculative tweet from NSW MP Jeremy Buckingham on the cost of a tunnel, which has since been liked by nearly 25,000 people.

The Boring Company founder predicted the tunnel, running through the mountains from near Lithgow to outside of Penrith, would cost $US15 million a kilometre.

But experts yesterday questioned the tech billionaire's maths, with a chorus of senior tunnelling engineers — including one advising fellow billionaire Richard Branson's Virgin hyperloop tunnel project — dismissing the cost synopsis provided by Mr Musk.

Engineer and hydrogeologist Philip Pells — one of the senior personnel behind the Sydney's harbour and Eastern Distributor tunnels — said Mr Musk's prediction was "totally out of the ball park".

"He's out by at least a factor of 10 and up to a factor of 50," Dr Pells, a tunnelling industry expert for 40 years, said.
 
brackis1 said:
So say for example, when a group of professional industrial engineers in Australia call the dude delusional who would you side with?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/elon-musk-tunnel-idea-killed-off-by-engineers/10722930

A group of senior road tunnelling experts have rubbished entrepreneur Elon Musk's claim he can build a 50-kilometre loop through the Blue Mountains for $1 billion, with one describing it as "Alice in Wonderland" talk.

Mr Musk sparked debate yesterday after replying to a speculative tweet from NSW MP Jeremy Buckingham on the cost of a tunnel, which has since been liked by nearly 25,000 people.

The Boring Company founder predicted the tunnel, running through the mountains from near Lithgow to outside of Penrith, would cost $US15 million a kilometre.

But experts yesterday questioned the tech billionaire's maths, with a chorus of senior tunnelling engineers — including one advising fellow billionaire Richard Branson's Virgin hyperloop tunnel project — dismissing the cost synopsis provided by Mr Musk.

Engineer and hydrogeologist Philip Pells — one of the senior personnel behind the Sydney's harbour and Eastern Distributor tunnels — said Mr Musk's prediction was "totally out of the ball park".

"He's out by at least a factor of 10 and up to a factor of 50," Dr Pells, a tunnelling industry expert for 40 years, said.
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It may very well cost more than projected, however, his business model may involve taking a hit in order to create a market that doesn't exist. Ide say he knows more about tunnels than all these other experts combined, he owns the company and had been digging in LA and Chicago. He's securing long term profits, and companies are often judged in that manner. Amazon, Facebook, Google, were all worth more than they made at some point, and based on projected income. Musk may be betting on himself to finish the product without too much loss. Purely speculation on my part, however, Musk owns the boring company, I trust that he knows more than his critics.
 
chardog said:
It may very well cost more than projected, however, his business model may involve taking a hit in order to create a market that doesn't exist. Ide say he knows more about tunnels than all these other experts combined, he owns the company and had been digging in LA and Chicago. He's securing long term profits, and companies are often judged in that manner. Amazon, Facebook, Google, were all worth more than they made at some point, and based on projected income. Musk may be betting on himself to finish the product without too much loss. Purely speculation on my part, however, Musk owns the boring company, I trust that he knows more than his critics.
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So you're saying a guy that dedicates less than 1/3rd of his current time to tunnel digging, with no degree in the subject, who hadn't done anything related to it until 5 years ago....knows more than a dozen experts with decades of experience focused soley on digging?

You assessment of his relative experience is off by at least a factor of 10 and up to a factor of 50 lol
 
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