Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo

[omgitsrick]

Elitist? Whatever.

I'm wrong? Who are the strongest guys then?

Big nog, Anderson silva, Joe horn, Lister, Serra?

I never said Wrestling was better for mma.

I'm talking about which gets you stronger and gives you more endurance. It's wrestling.

I'm basing it on the fact that one is passive and one isn't. One you struggle to stop yourself from getting turned to your back, another you can lay flat on your back for 5 minutes if you want, looking for a sub.

As for the passing the guard straight off the wrestling mat, my one friend used upper body throws. Even a good old fashioned headlock. Once in side control it wasn't hard for him to get the other guy mounted. The 2 subs he felt most confident with, which he only learned from watching t.v., were the kimura and arm bar. It isn't rocket science. He even got the kimura on someone.

Don't worry bro you're 100% right.

And for the other people who keep saying "Oh i saw a wrestler come into my dojo and gas after 2 minutes.." I'm not buying it.. at all. How is it a wrestler has less cardio when wrestlers work on cardio much more? Wrestling cardio DOES apply to BJJ.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

Elitist? Whatever.

I'm wrong? Who are the strongest guys then?

Big nog, Anderson silva, Joe horn, Lister, Serra?

I never said Wrestling was better for mma.

I'm talking about which gets you stronger and gives you more endurance. It's wrestling.

I'm basing it on the fact that one is passive and one isn't. One you struggle to stop yourself from getting turned to your back, another you can lay flat on your back for 5 minutes if you want, looking for a sub.

As for the passing the guard straight off the wrestling mat, my one friend used upper body throws. Even a good old fashioned headlock. Once in side control it wasn't hard for him to get the other guy mounted. The 2 subs he felt most confident with, which he only learned from watching t.v., were the kimura and arm bar. It isn't rocket science. He even got the kimura on someone.

You don't lay on your back for 5 minutes hunting. The full guard like that is only a small part of BJJ. What about guard passing, pins, escapes, sweeps, open guards like butterfly, half-guard, x-guard, DLR, and many others. If you don't initiate the action, you will lose in those guards. Takedowns are still an important part of BJJ too. Not as much as in judo or wrestling, but they are still practiced. Pushing the pace is just as important in BJJ too. Marcelo Garcia said that if you aren't attacking, you're losing. If you actually trained, you would know that.

BTW, they didn't get strong from just wrestling. They got strong from lifting weights and doing conditioning!!! Those can and are done with other sports too like BJJ. That's why you are an elitist: Because you claim only wrestling can get you that, when in reality it is just hard work that anything can get you.

And if you think watching some youtube videos or fighters on TV means anything, you're very dumb.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

Don't worry bro you're 100% right.

And for the other people who keep saying "Oh i saw a wrestler come into my dojo and gas after 2 minutes.." I'm not buying it.. at all. How is it a wrestler has less cardio when wrestlers work on cardio much more? Wrestling cardio DOES apply to BJJ.

No you're 100% closed minded. Don't drink the cool-aid.

 

[omgitsrick]

You don't lay on your back for 5 minutes hunting. The full guard like that is only a small part of BJJ. What about guard passing, pins, escapes, sweeps, open guards like butterfly, half-guard, x-guard, DLR, and many others. If you don't initiate the action, you will lose in those guards. Takedowns are still an important part of BJJ too. Not as much as in judo or wrestling, but they are still practiced. Pushing the pace is just as important in BJJ too. Marcelo Garcia said that if you aren't attacking, you're losing. If you actually trained, you would know that.

BTW, they didn't get strong from just wrestling. They got strong from lifting weights and doing conditioning!!! Those can and are done with other sports too like BJJ. That's why you are an elitist: Because you claim only wrestling can get you that, when in reality it is just hard work that anything can get you.

Find me a BJJ'er that can hang with the physical strength and conditioning of an NCAA wrestler.

 

[omgitsrick]

No you're 100% closed minded. Don't drink the cool-aid.

Someone has a bad case of denial.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

Find me a BJJ'er that can hang with the physical strength and conditioning of an NCAA wrestler.

I have hung with wrestlers and beaten wrestlers at my practices, which I run.

NCAA means nothing. D1? D3? Red-shirt? Walk-on? Team-captain?

Oh, and if you don't believe me, I have one other word:

Jacare.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

Someone has a bad case of denial.

Yes. You.

 

[PaiMei**]

You don't lay on your back for 5 minutes hunting. The full guard like that is only a small part of BJJ. What about guard passing, pins, escapes, sweeps, open guards like butterfly, half-guard, x-guard, DLR, and many others. If you don't initiate the action, you will lose in those guards. Takedowns are still an important part of BJJ too. Not as much as in judo or wrestling, but they are still practiced. Pushing the pace is just as important in BJJ too. Marcelo Garcia said that if you aren't attacking, you're losing. If you actually trained, you would know that.

BTW, they didn't get strong from just wrestling. They got strong from lifting weights and doing conditioning!!! Those can and are done with other sports too like BJJ. That's why you are an elitist: Because you claim only wrestling can get you that, when in reality it is just hard work that anything can get you.

And if you think watching some youtube videos or fighters on TV means anything, you're very dumb.

Why, because you can't find me a video on youtube that is near the level of action and physical strain shown by the videos i posted?

Don't give me this btw stuff as if wrestling has nothing to do with a wrestlers strength, as if it is just a coincidence. All wrestlers must just lift more weights? You see Nate Diaz? He wouldn't win one match with his strength levels against a d1 wrestler. Not one. He's slick at what he does, but wrestling is much more strength and the ability to maintain those strength level based.

 

[omgitsrick]

I have hung with wrestlers and beaten wrestlers at my practices, which I run.

NCAA means nothing. D1? D3? Red-shirt? Walk-on? Team-captain?

Oh, and if you don't believe me, I have one other word:

Jacare.

Yeah you've beaten wrestlers... at BJJ. How is that even relevant? Is anyone wrestler here going around saying "I've pinned a BJJ dude easy, mundials.. whatever." You obviously don't understand the argument here.

 

[Balto]

Find me a BJJ'er that can hang with the physical strength and conditioning of an NCAA wrestler.

Do you people even train?

This is one of the stupidest things I have read in a long time.

Do you know what NCAA means? You don't think there are BJJers in existence that are that conditioning level?

I'll give you some examples to start with -- how about the vast majority of ADCC competitors this year.

 

[omgitsrick]

Do you people even train?

This is one of the stupidest things I have read in a long time.

Do you know what NCAA means? You don't think there are BJJers in existence that are that conditioning level?

I'll give you some examples to start with -- how about the vast majority of ADCC competitors this year.

Do you really think the elite BJJ'ers are at the same level of strength and conditioning as elite wrestlers?

 

[stlnl2]

Do you people even train?

This is one of the stupidest things I have read in a long time.

Do you know what NCAA means? You don't think there are BJJers in existence that are that conditioning level?

I'll give you some examples to start with -- how about the vast majority of ADCC competitors this year.

Keep in mind the TS is a high school wrestler with limited BJJ AND LIMITED WRESTLING experience. I doubt he has ever trained with a D-1 athlete in any sport. But the simple fact is still he wants to compare COMPETITORS with hobbyists. Foolish and a waste of time.

 

[Balto]

Do you really think the elite BJJ'ers are at the same level of strength and conditioning as elite wrestlers?

NCAA is not necessarily elite.

But if you do want to talk about elite levels, I do think there are at least a few BJJers who do compare. Someone mentioned Jacare earlier. Galvao is pretty well conditioned also.

 

[omgitsrick]

Keep in mind the TS is a high school wrestler with limited BJJ AND LIMITED WRESTLING experience. I doubt he has ever trained with a D-1 athlete in any sport. But the simple fact is still he wants to compare COMPETITORS with hobbyists. Foolish and a waste of time.

Have at camps.

 

[omgitsrick]

NCAA is not necessarily elite.

But if you do want to talk about elite levels, I do think there are at least a few BJJers who do compare. Someone mentioned Jacare earlier. Galvao is pretty well conditioned also.

Ok I won't argue, lets say there are a FEW BJJ'ers. This is compared to a much larger number of wrestlers. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[stlnl2]

Have at camps.

I said trained with, not been to a camp run by. Do you even start on your wrestling team? Also your original thread said Judo/BJJ, do you not think Olympic judoka are not on the very same level as Olympic wrestlers regarding strength and condidtioning? Because if so you are very, very wrong.

 

[stlnl2]

This is compared to a much larger number of wrestlers. Coincidence? I think not.

Yeah the mathmatical disparity has to do with A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT MORE WRESTLERS WORLD WIDE you dumbass.

 

[PaiMei**]

What is so stupid? You people offer no substance. "do you even know what ncaa means?"

It means someone who wrestles at college, someone who is pretty good.

There are some bjj guys who are in great shape.

But overall, now PAY ATTENTION, OVERALL, Wrestlers are stronger and have more endurance due to the more aggressive style they use.

Like i said, GSP, Hughes, Ortiz, Randleman, Coleman, Lesnar, Chuck, Randy, Kos, Rampage, Lindland, Henderson, Sanchez.

Strongest guys in mma are wrestlers. That is a fact.

You'll never find a guy who has reached the level of success in wrestling that Nick Diaz, Nate Diaz, Renzo, etc have in theirs who are that weak. There is no butt scooting in wrestling. You don't lay on your back and cling to a guy in wrestling. You also don't strain with all your might to avoid having your body turned to your back in JJ.

 

[omgitsrick]

Yeah the mathmatical disparity has to do with A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT MORE WRESTLERS WORLD WIDE you dumbass.

Still doesn't make up for it.

Also you can reach very high levels of success in BJJ without reaching the high levels of strength & conditioning a wrestler of the same level might have.

But a high level wrestler will always have both regardless, because its impossible to achieve that level without them.

 

[Balto]

This thread officially sucks.

Go back to the Heavyweights. There is probably a good Kimbo thread going that you can get into.